Ray of Hope 109th draw
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What's the likelihood of getting ONIP with 436? Husband is a business manager/developer, been in the pool since April 18. Will be in increasing points hopefully in April this year when I get my second qualification making me main applicant, but want to get PR sooner than that if poss.
Just phone number. I would say it is better to retake medicals
We are seeing people getting ONIP. I have some questions regarding ONIP.
1. CRS with spouse not accompanying:- 438
2. CRS with spouse accompanying:- 424
3. Current express entry profile spouse not accompanying.
If i get nomination from ONIP with the 438 CRS,
A) Can i state spouse accompanying when feeling the ONIP application? (even if express entry states Spouse Not Accompanying) or
B) Once i get nominated in 90 days, can i change my Express entry profile to spouse accompanying? (as i get the 600 points from Ontario)
Or Should i change my Express entry profile to spouse accompanying before getting ONIP and seat at 424 and wait for it?
Please advise.
1. CRS with spouse not accompanying:- 438
2. CRS with spouse accompanying:- 424
3. Current express entry profile spouse not accompanying.
If i get nomination from ONIP with the 438 CRS,
A) Can i state spouse accompanying when feeling the ONIP application? (even if express entry states Spouse Not Accompanying) or
B) Once i get nominated in 90 days, can i change my Express entry profile to spouse accompanying? (as i get the 600 points from Ontario)
Or Should i change my Express entry profile to spouse accompanying before getting ONIP and seat at 424 and wait for it?
Please advise.
V
so I will wait for the next draw, but by the end of Jan, I will lose 5 point due to my birthday, and will be 442. I think if by any reason we do not get the ITA in the next draw, I won't risk waiting for the cut-off to decrease and will accept the PNP. what do you think? is it wise to do so? at least I won't have to take another Ielts.
Very helpful. Thank you very much!
so I will wait for the next draw, but by the end of Jan, I will lose 5 point due to my birthday, and will be 442. I think if by any reason we do not get the ITA in the next draw, I won't risk waiting for the cut-off to decrease and will accept the PNP. what do you think? is it wise to do so? at least I won't have to take another Ielts.
Yes that sounds good, in the mean time you can get your documents ready. Although, predictions for next draw are slightly higher, this is a ray of hope thread so, let's keep the hope alive.
1. No it is not locked. You can still get ITA if your score is good enough. But with 441 it's wise to accept OINP unless there is a chance for increasing through IELTS.
2. Once you get NOI you are good to apply within 45 days from the day you get NOI.
Thank you Abhishek.
While I start preparing the documents, how do I accept this interest as they have requested in the message?
I am sitting at 446 and recieved OINP yesterday at about 4:30PM Toronto Time.
Should I ignore it and wait till next 3 draws ? I have already collected necessary documents except for medical exam. And If I wanna wait, what step I need to do ? Any suggestion ? Thank you Team
Should I ignore it and wait till next 3 draws ? I have already collected necessary documents except for medical exam. And If I wanna wait, what step I need to do ? Any suggestion ? Thank you Team
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With 446, save the money n time on PNP, you should get direct ITA in next draw....
You said it all. There is no need to discuss further, and anyone who thinks differently should at least provide us with an actual case of refusal for spouse not-accompanying. It is perfectly legal and in my opinion ethical as well.It's not fraud as long as you state the true reason. That's simple: your spouse is accompanying but not enough qualified - your points decrease. Your spouse is non-accompanying, therefore you are assessed alone and your points increase but you have pay for it by not being able to reunite with you spouse for at least a year. There is no fraud. I believe you are confusing legal issue with ethical issue. What you are describing has a lot to do with ethics, but it's not legally supported as there is no guideline that defines what is a right and what is a wrong reason. The operation manual doesn't even mention anything about the reasons for non-accompanying family members.
Ethically it is wrong but it doesn't mean it's illegal. Let me give you an example. Is it ethically right to fire an employee because you don't like his/her tastes in music? Probably not.
Is it ethical to fire an employee just because you have a bad mood? I don't think so.
Is it ethically right to fire an employee because you suspected he/she stole something but you had no proof and then after you fired a person, it turned out that your accusations were wrong? Definitely not.
Does it mean that those cases are illegal? Well, under the US employment law, for example, (Employment at will), they are perfectly legal.
We could have gone ahead and tried to find out why CIC decided to allow married applicants choose the way of calculating their points instead of just giving all married applicants points for them and their spouses regardless of the spouses accompanying or not accompanying, but it would have been a mere speculation.
The most important question is if it is illegal to utilize this opportunity regardless of the reasons? If there is no law or instruction for the officers that is based on the law that forbids this approach, I think legally an applicant would be fine provided that he/she states the true reason. Ethically? Maybe not. However, it's not illegal to be a jerk
Not only that but if that would be illegal people would likely found another route, for instance, divorce, so that they have enough points to get ITA. I personally know few people who entered into marriage for the sole purpose of emigration.
Going by yourself instead of going with your spouse is in itself hard enough and the cost of this is to high for some (depression, separation from wife or the whole family which could and in divorce, etc).
Therefore, they ( Canadian government) left it for people to decide how they want to proceed. As soon as you log in to your profile the EE system notifes you that if spouse is not accompanying you would be marked as if you were going alone. Furthermore, If this was illegal cases in which it is legal (exceptions) would be mentioned. Since, this is not the case, it is perfectly clear, it is LEGAL
to add on your point, i have come across the following thread that a PA added her spouse when requested for passport submission.
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/passport-submitted-can-i-make-my-spouse-accompanying-now.393158/ refer to the case mentioned by younan02 on Jun. 03, 2018. The PA and their spouse got their case approved without recalculation... look for their update on Jun 7, 2018.
If the CRS was recalculated, the PA might be some points lower than the then cutoff point, but they were only requested to make the required additional fees to add the spouse.
Looking at this case i am now convinced that the VO may allow changing your status from non-accompanying to accompanying at the very last step too... let alone from the very beginning.
If you look at it from the CIC point of view, it seems better to do away with the process all together with the application of the PA rather than adding a one year additional burden of processing a spousal sponsorship case... with which the other spouse and possibly their children immigrate to Canada anyways.
Yes, it would be easier for them. It is perfectly fine as long as they recalculate the score and new score is above the cut off of the round in which candidate received an ITA. Otherwise, it should result in rejection. The rules are clear in that respect, you can go alone or with spouse but your points should be calculated differently in those two cases.