My Canadian PR recently expired last 8/21, but am still out of the country right now. If I can validly enter Canada as tourist, can I stay on for the duration of additional months to complete RO (which I think as of now still lack couple of months to meet requirements) then file for renewal.
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You can never ever as a PR enter as a tourist given of course only your PR card has expired not your PR status.
You have 2 choices 1)apply for a PRTD which you will need to board a plane with the possibility depending by how many months you still need to meet the RO of being reported and potentially starting the revoke process. 2) enter via the US border, still might get reported/ revoked but as a PR you would be entitled to enter the country regardless.
There are various posts on here about entering this way with an expired PR card . Whether CBSA report you for failing RO can simply depend on by how much or even believe it or not whether the CBSA officer is inclined to fill out the paperwork, no way to predict.
Once you are back in the country you need to make sure you have met the 2/5 rule before you apply to renew your PR card. Not knowing your exact circumstances worst case staying for 2 years without leaving or the remaining months to meet RO.
You have 2 choices 1)apply for a PRTD which you will need to board a plane with the possibility depending by how many months you still need to meet the RO of being reported and potentially starting the revoke process. 2) enter via the US border, still might get reported/ revoked but as a PR you would be entitled to enter the country regardless.
There are various posts on here about entering this way with an expired PR card . Whether CBSA report you for failing RO can simply depend on by how much or even believe it or not whether the CBSA officer is inclined to fill out the paperwork, no way to predict.
Once you are back in the country you need to make sure you have met the 2/5 rule before you apply to renew your PR card. Not knowing your exact circumstances worst case staying for 2 years without leaving or the remaining months to meet RO.
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You can never ever as a PR enter as a tourist given of course only your PR card has expired not your PR status.
You have 2 choices 1)apply for a PRTD which you will need to board a plane with the possibility depending by how many months you still need to meet the RO of being reported and potentially starting the revoke process. 2) enter via the US border, still might get reported/ revoked but as a PR you would be entitled to enter the country regardless.
There are various posts on here about entering this way with an expired PR card . Whether CBSA report you for failing RO can simply depend on by how much or even believe it or not whether the CBSA officer is inclined to fill out the paperwork, no way to predict.
Once you are back in the country you need to make sure you have met the 2/5 rule before you apply to renew your PR card. Not knowing your exact circumstances worst case staying for 2 years without leaving or the remaining months to meet RO.
To clarify further my post, I have a US green card also, which I could use to enter Canada. When I use this, I think I can enter Canada as valid tourist, stay there for some months to add to my RO, then file my renewal of PR application?
You can't legally enter Canada as a tourist if you have PR status (you are required to declare it to CBSA). Canada and the US share information, so your green card status is probably already tied to your file in Canada. As a pr you are gauranteed entry to Canada, with or without a card, so the only reason not to declare that upon entry would be if you don't meet RO and are attempting to avoid being reported.
To clarify further my post, I have a US green card also, which I could use to enter Canada. When I use this, I think I can enter Canada as valid tourist, stay there for some months to add to my RO, then file my renewal of PR application?
You can't use a US document (green card) to enter Canada. If you use the green card to enter the US and then present at the land border with Canada, your passport will tell them you are a PR. You cannot enter as a tourist, as you are PR, and the PR status means you have the right to enter. But if you try, they will probably, but not necessarily, detect your breach of the RO and report you, which will begin a process of removing your PR status from you
You can't use a US document (green card) to enter Canada. If you use the green card to enter the US and then present at the land border with Canada, your passport will tell them you are a PR. You cannot enter as a tourist, as you are PR, and the PR status means you have the right to enter. But if you try, they will probably, but not necessarily, detect your breach of the RO and report you, which will begin a process of removing your PR status from you
I just tried to compute manually my residence for the past 5 years - that is, from 2013-1017, and if I am correct (though I have not yet tried to use the Residence Calculator), and I got the total of 743 days if I I submit the application for PR renewal by Aug. 30, assuming I am back in Canada by that time.
But as someone pointed out, I can't enter Canada on my expired PR status, how else can I get there. What if I tell the officer at the border that I want to visit my disabled son who was just been told the FINAL findings of his neurologists on the many tests, MRIs, exams he has been undergoing these past 3 years is that he has that rare disease called MULTIPLE SYSTEM ATROPHY - A Degenerative neuro disorder. I want to help him fill up forms for filing pension disability benefits. He has no one else living with him, his wife left him when he was starting to have the symptoms.
I need to spend quality time with him (he's 49 years old, living on social assistance and some part time job which is not much). And be truthful in declaring that my PR card expired last Aug. 21. I am thinking though that I might give up this status, if it's not advisable to renew it while having a US green card.
I'm confused and will really appreciate any advise.
But as someone pointed out, I can't enter Canada on my expired PR status, how else can I get there. What if I tell the officer at the border that I want to visit my disabled son who was just been told the FINAL findings of his neurologists on the many tests, MRIs, exams he has been undergoing these past 3 years is that he has that rare disease called MULTIPLE SYSTEM ATROPHY - A Degenerative neuro disorder. I want to help him fill up forms for filing pension disability benefits. He has no one else living with him, his wife left him when he was starting to have the symptoms.
I need to spend quality time with him (he's 49 years old, living on social assistance and some part time job which is not much). And be truthful in declaring that my PR card expired last Aug. 21. I am thinking though that I might give up this status, if it's not advisable to renew it while having a US green card.
I'm confused and will really appreciate any advise.
I just tried to compute manually my residence for the past 5 years - that is, from 2013-1017, and if I am correct (though I have not yet tried to use the Residence Calculator), and I got the total of 743 days if I I submit the application for PR renewal by Aug. 30, assuming I am back in Canada by that time.
But as someone pointed out, I can't enter Canada on my expired PR status, how else can I get there. What if I tell the officer at the border that I want to visit my disabled son who was just been told the FINAL findings of his neurologists on the many tests, MRIs, exams he has been undergoing these past 3 years is that he has that rare disease called MULTIPLE SYSTEM ATROPHY - A Degenerative neuro disorder. I want to help him fill up forms for filing pension disability benefits. He has no one else living with him, his wife left him when he was starting to have the symptoms.
I need to spend quality time with him (he's 49 years old, living on social assistance and some part time job which is not much). And be truthful in declaring that my PR card expired last Aug. 21. I am thinking though that I might give up this status, if it's not advisable to renew it while having a US green card.
I'm confused and will really appreciate any advise.
It not that you can't enter Canada from the US, you just can't claim you are a visitor. You may get reported for RO, or you may not. As a PR (whether your card is expired or not), you can enter Canada as a PR. It's just a matter of being reported or not. Make the trip, see what happens. If you get reported, you have 30 days to file an appeal. If you don't, after 30 days, your PR will be revoked. If they don't report you, "Bob's yer uncle"!
It not that you can't enter Canada from the US, you just can't claim you are a visitor. You may get reported for RO, or you may not. As a PR (whether your card is expired or not), you can enter Canada as a PR. It's just a matter of being reported or not. Make the trip, see what happens. If you get reported, you have 30 days to file an appeal. If you don't, after 30 days, your PR will be revoked. If they don't report you, "Bob's yer uncle"!
That's an encouraging reply Buletruck. How do I get reported, would Canada immigration write me at my Canadian address?
So should I disclose that I have also a green card, and let them decide upon what status am I entering Canada.
Can I still file an application to renew PR (Or tell Canada immigration that I missed noting the expiry of my PR and may renew it upon arrival, in case I should decide that I'll keep the status.)
So should I disclose that I have also a green card, and let them decide upon what status am I entering Canada.
Can I still file an application to renew PR (Or tell Canada immigration that I missed noting the expiry of my PR and may renew it upon arrival, in case I should decide that I'll keep the status.)
So should I disclose that I have also a green card, and let them decide upon what status am I entering Canada.
Can I still file an application to renew PR (Or tell Canada immigration that I missed noting the expiry of my PR and may renew it upon arrival, in case I should decide that I'll keep the status.)
You are operating under two mistaken beliefs (possibly more).
First, the existence of a green card - a US immigration document - has no bearing whatsoever on your ability to enter Canada, which is a different country. For the same reason that if you just residency status in Sweden, it wouldn't improve or worsen your ability to enter Bangladesh. Different countries. You are a Canadian PR, which means if you seek to enter Canada, it will be as a PR.
Secondly, your PR has not expired, and never will. Your *card* has, but that's just a travel document. You don't cease to be a citizen when your passport expires. Your problem is the Residency Obligation, and whether or not you can meet it.
When you apply for a PRTD, the VO will assess your application, including meeting residency obligation. If they feel you didn't meet RO, they will advise you they are declining your PRTD. That is the start of revoking your PR. If you enter from the US, CBSA will assess you at the PoE. Depending on how thorough the check, they may report you for RO as well. That is the start of the process. They will hand you a copy of the report and advise you on the next steps.
As others noted, your green card and status in the US is completely irrelevant in this situation, other than Canadian immigration officials have access to US immigration information.
As others noted, your green card and status in the US is completely irrelevant in this situation, other than Canadian immigration officials have access to US immigration information.
When you apply for a PRTD, the VO will assess your application, including meeting residency obligation. If they feel you didn't meet RO, they will advise you they are declining your PRTD. That is the start of revoking your PR. If you enter from the US, CBSA will assess you at the PoE. Depending on how thorough the check, they may report you for RO as well. That is the start of the process. They will hand you a copy of the report and advise you on the next steps.
As others noted, your green card and status in the US is completely irrelevant in this situation, other than Canadian immigration officials have access to US immigration information.
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