PGP: IMM5768 Previous undertakings question.

[Keyjoe23]

Hi all,

I'm going to submit 2 PGP sponsorship applications one for my mother and one for my father as they are divorced.

In my mother application I'm sponsoring 4 and in my father's I'm sponsoring 3. So in total we are 4 + 3 + 1.

In the IMM5768 form, there is the following question:

Previous undertakings
You must indicate the following:

1. number of people included in previous undertakings that you signed as a sponsor and that are still in effect
2. number of people included in previous undertakings that you signed as a sponsor and that are not yet in effect

I believe giving that I'm still applying, I have to mention the number of people in #2 above.

However I'm confused if I need to mention that in both applications.

Example:
If I submit my mother application first, do I need to mention the # of people in my father's application that I have not yet submitted? Or I put 0 in my mother application as her application is the first one then put 4 in my father's application because it is the second application?

I'm worried to put 0 in my mother application then I fall under misrepresentation because I have 2 applications on going.

Another question, the table in the form only has 3 rows, what if I want to enter 4 rows? What do I do in this case?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Naturgrl]

How many people in total? The family total is the same for both.

 

[Keyjoe23]

How many people in total? The family total is the same for both.

Total 7 people + me = 8. (3 father, 4 mother, myself).

2 separate applications.
I don't know what number I should put to be honest in this question especially for the FIRST application that I submit. The word previous makes it a bit complicated.

 

[Naturgrl]

Total 7 people + me = 8. (3 father, 4 mother, myself).

2 separate applications.
I don't know what number I should put to be honest in this question especially for the FIRST application that I submit. The word previous makes it a bit complicated.

If they are both applying separately then it is 8 for both. You count your parents for each application, you, spouse, children.

 

[Keyjoe23]

If they are both applying separately then it is 8 for both. You count your parents for each application, you, spouse, children.

8 is wrong for this question.
They are not asking for the TOTAL people in the application, they are asking about other undertakings, if I put 8 that makes totally no sense.

Question 3

1. Current undertaking
   Provide the number of people included in your current undertaking.
2. Previous undertakings
   You must indicate the following
   1. number of people included in previous undertakings that you signed as a sponsor and that are still in effect
   2. number of people included in previous undertakings that you signed as a sponsor and that are not yet in effect
   3. number of people included in previous undertakings that you co-signed and that are still in effect
   4. number of people included in previous undertakings that you co-signed and that are not yet in effect
   
   Note: For any of these questions, provide details on page 2 of 4, if required.
   If you and your spouse will be co-signing each other’s applications to sponsor parents or grandparents, you should both list each other’s parents under option number 4.

This is from the instructions (https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...ication/application-forms-guides/imm5768.html)

Mother application:
1) Current undertaking: 4
2) Previous undertakings: 3 or 0?? <-- Giving that this is the first application and I do not have any previous undertaking yet.

Father application
1) Current undertaking: 3
2) Previous undertakings: 4 <- Giving that this is the 2nd application and I applied for my mother application where I indicated 4.

Note that there is a previous question about my family (myself, spouce, etc).. I put 1 in both applications since I'm single.

My income in the last 3 years exceeds 230k CAD so I'm not worried about the financial capacity, I'm just worried about putting a wrong number and I fall under misrepresentation but this is a tricky question..

 

[canuck78]

Did you get 2 draws?

 

[Keyjoe23]

Did you get 2 draws?

You do not need 2 draws?

I got invitation to apply, and by look at
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...parents-grandparents/who-you-can-sponsor.html

It says the following:

if your parents or grandparents are divorced, their current spouse, common-law partner, or conjugal partner

• You’ll need to submit separate applications for your divorced parents.

There is no mention that you need to get 2 draws.

As far as I remember, when I submitted the interest form, I added both my mother and father in the form.

 

[steaky]

Total 7 people + me = 8. (3 father, 4 mother, myself).

2 separate applications.
I don't know what number I should put to be honest in this question especially for the FIRST application that I submit. The word previous makes it a bit complicated.

Are you still confused with the word previous? For example, are there any applications (such as sponsoring your spouse or adopted children that you signed as a sponsor) that are still in effect? If no, then there no previous undertaking.

 

[Keyjoe23]

Are you still confused with the word previous? For example, are there any applications (such as sponsoring your spouse or adopted children that you signed as a sponsor) that are still in effect? If no, then there no previous undertaking.

I'm still yes.

Not "in effect" but more "not in effect" as it says "not in effect" means I applied for undertaking but they have not yet received PR/

If I apply for 2 applications (because my mother and father are divorced), do I need to mention the number of the other application in the first application I submit or not.

Btw: I think in 2020 when I applied for the interest form, I added my mother and my father in the interest form (There was a form section to add your parents), but they are divorced. So when I got the E-mail last week to apply for the sponsorship, the confirmation code is tied to the file where I added my mother and father, but giving that they are divorced, I need to fill 2 separate applications.

Can someone confirm if I did a mistake ^

 

[Keyjoe23]

Another question please:

For total income needed when I submit 2 separate applications.

If:
Application 1 has total of 5 members (me + 4)
Application 2 has total of 4 members (me + 3).

based on this table:

Family size	2024	2023	2022
2 people	$47,549	$44,530	$43,082
3 people	$58,456	$54,743	$52,965
4 people	$70,972	$66,466	$64,306
5 people	$80,496	$75,384	$72,935
6 people	$90,784	$85,020	$82,259
7 people	$101,075	$94,658	$91,582
If more than 7 people, for each additional person, add:	$10,291	$9,636	$9,324

Does it mean I need to prove that I make (me + 4 + 3 = 8) i.e 7 people + 1 additional = $101,075 + $10,291 = $111,366
Or
(me + 3 = 4) + (me + 4 = 5) = $70,972 +$80,496 = $151,424?

 

[scylla]

Another question please:

For total income needed when I submit 2 separate applications.

If:
Application 1 has total of 5 members (me + 4)
Application 2 has total of 4 members (me + 3).

based on this table:

Family size	2024	2023	2022
2 people	$47,549	$44,530	$43,082
3 people	$58,456	$54,743	$52,965
4 people	$70,972	$66,466	$64,306
5 people	$80,496	$75,384	$72,935
6 people	$90,784	$85,020	$82,259
7 people	$101,075	$94,658	$91,582
If more than 7 people, for each additional person, add:	$10,291	$9,636	$9,324

Does it mean I need to prove that I make (me + 4 + 3 = 8) i.e 7 people + 1 additional = $101,075 + $10,291 = $111,366
Or
(me + 3 = 4) + (me + 4 = 5) = $70,972 +$80,496 = $151,424?

Count yourself once.

 

[Keyjoe23]

Count yourself once.

I assume you mean the 2nd formula?

Why would it be this way and not all combined?

Also I think
(me + 3 = 4) + (4) = 70,927 * 2 = $141,854

But

(me + 4 = 5) + (3) = 80,496 + 58,456 = $138,952.

So counting yourself once in this formula will depend on which application you submit first? Are you sure about your answer?

 

[Keyjoe23]

Did you get 2 draws?

Something is very confusing about this..

Back in 2020 in the interest form, I added my mother and father as Parent 1 and Parent 2.
They are divorced. A lawyer back then told me I can add them both, but if I get selected I'll need to submit 2 different applications for each one as they are divorced.

Now I called IRCC and they tell me that I cannot use the same confirmation number for 2 different applications, but when I told her on the phone that it is mentioned online that if my parents are divorced I need to submit 2 separate applications for each one, she did not know what to answer.

I asked her, did I make a mistake that I added both in the sponsor form? She couldn't answer because there is no indicator that says if your parents are divorced you cannot add both of them at the same time in the sponsor form. Also, it says that if you submit more than 1 application, they will only take the most recent one, so applying once for my mother and once for my father was not possible that's why I added both of them in the same sponsor interest form.

But now I'm being told the confirmation number is only for 1 application, but what about divorced parents where they mentioned (Create 2 separate applications?)

That's very confusing..

 

[Naturgrl]

Something is very confusing about this..

Back in 2020 in the interest form, I added my mother and father as Parent 1 and Parent 2.
They are divorced. A lawyer back then told me I can add them both, but if I get selected I'll need to submit 2 different applications for each one as they are divorced.

Now I called IRCC and they tell me that I cannot use the same confirmation number for 2 different applications, but when I told her on the phone that it is mentioned online that if my parents are divorced I need to submit 2 separate applications for each one, she did not know what to answer.

I asked her, did I make a mistake that I added both in the sponsor form? She couldn't answer because there is no indicator that says if your parents are divorced you cannot add both of them at the same time in the sponsor form. Also, it says that if you submit more than 1 application, they will only take the most recent one, so applying once for my mother and once for my father was not possible that's why I added both of them in the same sponsor interest form.

But now I'm being told the confirmation number is only for 1 application, but what about divorced parents where they mentioned (Create 2 separate applications?)

That's very confusing..

Divorced parents would have been two separate "interest to sponsor" forms when you submitted in 2020. Each would be the principal applicant. So when you put in an EOI in 2020 whoever is the principal applicant is the person who you submit an application for. Are they remarried?

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...parents-grandparents/who-you-can-sponsor.html

 

[Keyjoe23]

Divorced parents would have been two separate "interest to sponsor" forms when you submitted in 2020. Each would be the principal applicant. So when you put in an EOI in 2020 whoever is the principal applicant is the person who you submit an application for. Are they remarried?

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...parents-grandparents/who-you-can-sponsor.html

But it also tells you the following

The interest to sponsor form is not an application. If you're invited to apply, you'll still need to submit an application.

You can't change the interest to sponsor form after you submit it. Find out how to correct a mistake or update your information.

Please don't submit the interest to sponsor form again. It won't increase your chances of being invited to apply. We remove duplicates and only keep your last submission.

The term application in the link you mentioned is not meant to be the sponsor form. It is the actual sponsorship application when you apply if you get selected.

Also according to last sentence, you cannot submit 2 sponsor forms because they will only take the last one so it means you can only sponsor your father or mother but not both cause they will take only 1 form.

Adding 2 parents in the same form seems to be logical that you wanna sponsor both of them.