H&C Humanitarian Ground with/or Without Failed refugee claim

[canuck78]

I'm not surprised, @canuck78 has always been like that.
I started following this forum at the end of 2020, and back then I understood how Canuck thought. At the time, he was saying that the pandemic would have almost disastrous effects on H&C applications, especially regarding processing times.
It later turned out that the processing times were fairly normal, and even short for many applicants. After that, Canuck’s argument shifted to the conflict in Afghanistan and then Ukraine, saying those events would also have a very negative impact.
He has always been very critical of H&C applications, because in his view, it's a method used by people who don’t deserve permanent residency to obtain it and stay here.
But in life, you have to think in a nuanced way and not generalize. One can become a permanent resident for humanitarian reasons, or through being granted protection by Canada, or by being sponsored by a close relative while still being loyal, respectful, civilized, and ambitious unlike tens of thousands of so-called skilled workers who came through programs that, strangely enough, accept even more people than before 2015, but with increasingly difficult and complex criteria.
That being said, although I disagree with Canuck because he is rather pessimistic with members, he remains someone who genuinely loves Canada and cares about its situation, and who speaks respectfully and still has some valuable knowledge about immigration (not like a lot of people here...) even if he’s not an expert.
Many VIP members, on the other hand, are extremely arrogant, and you can sense malice and cruelty in their comments, as well as the spreading of false information.

You are mischaracterizing many of my statements. For example I criticized the CUAET (as did IRCC staff) program because it sets a precedent that Canada can’t maintain. I criticized the Afghanistan policy because we not only surpassed the 40k people, which was already an unmanageable given volume of other H&C, asylum and refugee numbers, but also because some of the people who worked with Canada were not the ones who got prioritized. Canada doesn’t have an unlimited capacity to absorb people especially people in need of help who will place more demands on the infrastructure, need financial support, etc. It is just a fact that not everyone can become a PR. It’s not a judgement on character or value. The H&C program is a mess so I was right to raise concerns years ago. There have been issues for a very long time with H&C that were just ignored but the volume of applicants have become so large that now it is a serious issue that has to be addressed. It also costs a fortune to run so as taxpayers this should concern everyone. Currently it is taking around year to go from AIP to PR. Anything can happen in a year so like all PR program applicants I always advise not to really celebrate until you have landed in Canada as a PR. I don’t think people are prepared for the shift that is happening both economically and immigration wise in Canada and need to be realistic and have a plan B. The days of always having many pathways and easy ways to remain in Canada as temporary residents or PR are over for now. I actually have zero idea how IRCC will be able to reform all the H&C programs given the quota they have allocated to H&C. Even if they increased the quota dramatically the math doesn’t work and there are many more conflicts going on in the world so the government will be pressured to both expand and create more H&C programs.

 

[canuck78]

It is frustating what used to be the processing time for whole H and C has just became processing time for AIP.

It is going to get longer thus the need for reform. To go from AIP to PR is taking around a year which is also going to get longer thus my caution that until you get PR you are still in a form of limbo.

 

[YVR123]

It is frustating what used to be the processing time for whole H and C has just became processing time for AIP.

Yes. H&C with the reducing quota and more ppl applying (IRCC are putting so many special policies and pathways under H&C) the processing time will get even longer.

e.g. Hong Kong pathway is currently under H&C (hoping IRCC will consider moving this pathway to another category ... ) and during a Q&A session, applicants were told to expect 4 years+ wait time. And thus special open work permits were supposed to be available for applicants waiting in Canada (tho many were wrongfully refused because IRCC were processing them as regular WP that require either LMIA or AIP) .

 

[sting 000]

You are mischaracterizing many of my statements. For example I criticized the CUAET (as did IRCC staff) program because it sets a precedent that Canada can’t maintain. I criticized the Afghanistan policy because we not only surpassed the 40k people which was already an unmanageable given volume of other H&C, asylum and refugee numbers but also because some of the people who worked with Canada were not the ones who got prioritized. Canada doesn’t have an unlimited capacity to absorb people especially people in need of help who will place more demands on the infrastructure, need financial support, etc. It is just a fact that not everyone can become a PR. It’s not a judgement on character or value. The H&C program is a mess so I was right to raise concerns years ago. There have been issues for a very long time with H&C that were just ignored but the volume of applicants have become so large that now it is a serious issue that has to be addressed. It also costs a fortune to run so as taxpayers this should concern everyone. Currently it is taking around year to go from AIP to PR. Anything can happen in a year so like all PR program applicants I always advise not to really celebrate until you have landed in Canada as a PR. I don’t think people are prepared for the shift that is happening both economically and immigration wise in Canada and need to be realistic and have a plan B. The days of always having many pathways and easy ways to remain in Canada as temporary residents or PR are over for now. I actually have zero idea how IRCC will be able to reform all the H&C programs given the quota they have allocated to H&C. Even if they increased the quota dramatically the math doesn’t work and there are many more conflicts going on in the world so the government will be pressured to both expand and create more H&C programs.

A country that has low fertility rate and low retention rate, what can they expect in the future..
In the first quarter of 2025 the number of death surpassed the number of birth by 5,628 people and due to fall in temporary residents population,there is also a negative population growth including birth rate.
A country that has low natural increase will keep feeding on immigration in years to come unless the problem is addressed..

However, IRCC is priotizing refugees over economic migrants at moment,reasons why PNP quota was slashed due provinces in canada unable take refugees from ontario and quebec to ease pressure from them and causing economic migrants scrambling for PR pathways to stay in canada,more reasons why H and C is overwhelmed.

And more policy are coming from IRCC in future that concerns refugees and protection and Congo PRRA, check links below..

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...isk-assessment-democratic-republic-congo.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...onomic-mobility-pathways-pilot/immigrate.html

 

[Victorknow]

By the mercy of almighty,We have received AIP today.

Congratulations

 

[wiener]

You are mischaracterizing many of my statements. For example I criticized the CUAET (as did IRCC staff) program because it sets a precedent that Canada can’t maintain. I criticized the Afghanistan policy because we not only surpassed the 40k people, which was already an unmanageable given volume of other H&C, asylum and refugee numbers, but also because some of the people who worked with Canada were not the ones who got prioritized. Canada doesn’t have an unlimited capacity to absorb people especially people in need of help who will place more demands on the infrastructure, need financial support, etc. It is just a fact that not everyone can become a PR. It’s not a judgement on character or value. The H&C program is a mess so I was right to raise concerns years ago. There have been issues for a very long time with H&C that were just ignored but the volume of applicants have become so large that now it is a serious issue that has to be addressed. It also costs a fortune to run so as taxpayers this should concern everyone. Currently it is taking around year to go from AIP to PR. Anything can happen in a year so like all PR program applicants I always advise not to really celebrate until you have landed in Canada as a PR. I don’t think people are prepared for the shift that is happening both economically and immigration wise in Canada and need to be realistic and have a plan B. The days of always having many pathways and easy ways to remain in Canada as temporary residents or PR are over for now. I actually have zero idea how IRCC will be able to reform all the H&C programs given the quota they have allocated to H&C. Even if they increased the quota dramatically the math doesn’t work and there are many more conflicts going on in the world so the government will be pressured to both expand and create more H&C programs.

IRCC should increase quota for H and C and refugee immediately. The current quota is unrealistic and does not make sense at all. 70K applications in the pool competing for 10k target is irrational. How to absorb people from war torn countries who are living in Canada on temporary permits, particulary families with children. These people can not be asked to leave Canada. Large part of H and C mess we are seeing now is because of overwhelming number of parent/grandparents applying for H and C.

 

[wiener]

A country that has low fertility rate and low retention rate, what can they expect in the future..
In the first quarter of 2025 the number of death surpassed the number of birth by 5,628 people and due to fall in temporary residents population,there is also a negative population growth including birth rate.
A country that has low natural increase will keep feeding on immigration in years to come unless the problem is addressed..

However, IRCC is priotizing refugees over economic migrants at moment,reasons why PNP quota was slashed due provinces in canada unable take refugees from ontario and quebec to ease pressure from them and causing economic migrants scrambling for PR pathways to stay in canada,more reasons why H and C is overwhelmed.

And more policy are coming from IRCC in future that concerns refugees and protection and Congo PRRA, check links below..

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...isk-assessment-democratic-republic-congo.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...onomic-mobility-pathways-pilot/immigrate.html

This EMPP is for refugees outside Canada. I do not know why IRCC can not come up with solutions for people who are inside Canada struggling.

 

[ibrahim0175]

Congratulations

Thanks

 

[puppyprinter]

I am gay

 

[puppyprinter]

i applied last moth today i got aor

someone told me will take 5 years to get result.......

AOR and AIP are two different things….

 

[The seecret]

June 2024
July biometrics . nothing more

 

[puppyprinter]

do you know how long take to get aip? i think itis two diffrent stage

AOR takes 1 month.not even

 

[Zeeyn]

Hi guys,

I’ve applied June 2024:

Today I called and an automated line answered me

New status: We are reviewing whether you need eligibility requirements

do not medical
do not need fingerprint
do not need interview we will let you know if that changes

final step - it says: we are processing your background check

Does this mean that the officer has started working on the case and within 1-2 months I will receive a request for a medical check?

 

[puppyprinter]

Hi guys,

I’ve applied June 2024:

Today I called and an automated line answered me

New status: We are reviewing whether you need eligibility requirements

do not medical
do not need fingerprint
do not need interview we will let you know if that changes

final step - it says: we are processing your background check

Does this mean that the officer has started working on the case and within 1-2 months I will receive a request for a medical check?

What did it say in the past then before “we are reviewing your eligibility requirements”?

 

[Zeeyn]

What did it say in the past then before “we are reviewing your eligibility requirements”?

To be honest, I don't remember, the last time I called was a month ago.