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[Maria Odette]

What this stupid government needs to do is change the criteria for the PGWP, to make it more difficult to get so it drives down demand from the punjabi lambdas.

 

[Islander216]

Not really. Australia has pretty straight forward process too. But Australia does not allow students to fake their way in and also does not allow diploma mills to operate. That is uniquely Canadian. There is a major problem in Canada around allowing lying students in. The checks and balances are just not there.

This is not true at all, many students who have studied and worked in Australia still can't qualify for PR. Their system is much more restrictive, and they have the concept of occupation ceilings.

 

[GandiBaat]

What this stupid government needs to do is change the criteria for the PGWP, to make it more difficult to get so it drives down demand from the punjabi lambdas.

Best is to solve the problem at the root. Do not allow anyone to operate a diploma mill unless they meet the criteria of a real DLI. Limit number of private franchise allowed.

 

[Islander216]

IMHO a visa cap sounds like another inefficient government move.
How does these "Lambton Colleges" work anyway? Aren't they publicly funded to be on the DLI? Wouldn't the local government complain with funding if they accepted too many international students?
Maybe its a 4d chess move. Issue many TRVs and then 3 years later BAM no more CEC.

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

Why would the local government complain? More lucrative tuition means relying less on funding from all levels of government.

 

[GandiBaat]

This is not true at all, many students who have studied and worked in Australia still can't qualify for PR. Their system is much more restrictive, and they have the concept of occupation ceilings.

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

 

[GandiBaat]

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

No. Those who are here are not going to go away immediately. Plus the biggest cause of issue here is growing rents. A lot of that growth is coming from rising mortgage cost. This is causing people to evict tenants and ask absolutly high rents. Remember, students coming from India are not very rich and spend a lot on tution anyways, they don't have massive pockets to afford sky high rents.

 

[Lord_Tony]

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.
Employer Sponsorship helps folks to get chosen in a couple of years but these days those are also taking too long. the bigger problem is shifting employers. Australia has become a mini version of USA now, job quotas instead of country quotas. HealthCare in the only occupation where folks can still get in with score like 70.
Personally I did the mistake of going back to IT and not sticking with my MBA quals, suffered for 4 years in silent abeyance. I had to move employers after my first employer backtracked on sponsorship after the Leadership which was favorable to me changed. I felt hopeless moved employers then left as I didn't want to age out for Canada also. 7 years of Aussie life.

 

[Hopeful007]

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.
Employer Sponsorship helps folks to get chosen in a couple of years but these days those are also taking too long. the bigger problem is shifting employers. Australia has become a mini version of USA now, job quotas instead of country quotas. HealthCare in the only occupation where folks can still get in with score like 70.
Personally I did the mistake of going back to IT and not sticking with my MBA quals, suffered for 4 years in silent abeyance. I had to move employers after my first employer backtracked on sponsorship after the Leadership which was favorable to me changed. I felt hopeless moved employers then left as I didn't want to age out for Canada also. 7 years of Aussie life.

Aussies seem pretty smart. I guess not many of them migrate out like in Canada, consequently, politicians are more competent. They get to keep their talent at home. I guess who would wanna move to a shit hole like the US (speculating that that's how Aussies see the US). It's quite evident with their salaries 10k higher on average than in Canada.

 

[qdee]

How is that inefficient? It's literally the easiest and most direct way to reduce the demand for housing and overcrowding.

Why would the local government complain? More lucrative tuition means relying less on funding from all levels of government.

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

Mature take there. Caps are more or less politically motivated too. We've a quality of threshold problem as opposed to a cap problem right now - be it with:
1. Language skills -> PR route
2. Diploma mills -> PR route

Both above bring horrible labour force to Canada tbh as neither ensures quality as a bar. Maybe Canada needs low skilled labour and there's no easy path to bring them here and #1 and #2 actually serves the purpose, who knows!

 

[Islander216]

A 25 year old unmarried guy from india will have 80 points on australia points test if he or she does his diploma from australia from a regional school. At 80, you can immigrate in many professions.

You can't, check the draws for occupations. You have no chance with 80 points.

I'm sorry but you guys are talking about stuff and it's clear you've not put in the research.

 

[Islander216]

Well, if you look at the green card cap in the US, they can't prioritize occupations with the most demand, then there's mismatch between total immigration target and market demand etc. The 7% is also more of a legacy feature that they're trying to get rid of.
Let's say IRCC set a cap, so what is the number? Is it province dependent? Is it changed yearly? How do you remove the cap in a few years if you realized you don't have enough immigrants? What kind of signal would a per country cap send to a generation of potential immigrants that might change whether they feel confident of immigrating even if the cap is removed in the future due to immigration shortage? I think the real world is complicated, and a simple and straightfoward government mandate is probably going to be inefficient and backfire somewhere.

The idea is less opportunity for local students->people call rabble rabble->government keeps the public institutes in check for votes. I do think that the current system "benefits" a lot of people that breaks this. Landlords collect more rent, your daily Tim Hortons gets cheaper, and few local wanted to attend Queen's College in Toronto anyways. Sadly, people will notice the increasing exotic faces, and pin the blame on new immigrants.

I just hear excuses.

Not everything is about labour shortages, and there are no serious enough concerns that they can't be address with sound policies.

These are just excuses to keep this unsustainable system in place, and have no limits on immigration, and just let everyone in and ruin the country.

I'm not buying it for a second, nor are most people who know what the situation is.

We can always experiment and fine tune over time, and figure out the kinks. But saying this is tough to solve so let's do nothing makes no sense. Those are the sentiments of people who don't want to fix the problem.

 

[Alysson]

I don't see a nice way in which millions of them and their families (and some with even pets!!!!) are going to be out. CBSA will have a busy few years.

Meh, it’s already hard for someone in status to make a living. Being out of status where you only get shit jobs, have no chance for a PR anymore and can’t use the benefits. They will probably give up sooner or later. Sucks for the pets though.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Meh, it’s already hard for someone in status to make a living. Being out of status where you only get shit jobs, have no chance for a PR anymore and can’t use the benefits. They will probably give up sooner or later. Sucks for the pets though.

True. Canada will just make them self-deport themselves. Either that or they get into illegal occupations. Or you could hop across the border

 

[GandiBaat]

Could be those young blokes, might have such high score, if they have worked 18 months in Australia for the occupation they studied in. Australia immigration counts them and lets them only migrate in the occupation they studied. For generic occupation like IT the PR qualification ceiling is 90 points or so often ensuring very few qualify other applicants stay for years without being chosen.

I had assumed language proficiency at "Proficient". A "superior" competency (8.0 IELTS on ALL modules) can easily bring points to 90.

IT is also a degree requiring profession. So extra points for degree (I only calculated for Diploma).