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[iSaidGoodDay]

Oh well, it comes down to this: Pedantics of "Cost" vs "Value" vs "Monetary Cost".

Whats the value of water? Possibly infinite.
Whats the monetary cost of water? Mostly ... small. Because.... supply is decent, for now atleast.

Whats the value of citizenship of a first world country? Possibly a LOT.
Whats the monetary cost? Well, so long you are young, skilled and in reasonable health not very high. Australia, Canada, UK, Germany are all offering programs for PR with pathways to Citizenship.

So, you are paying with your youth, your skills and hence direct monetary cost is small.

Its similar to why cost search like google and its value. You pay by your metadata.

I'm simply trying to understand the other side here. Maybe I'm privileged and I don't see something very obvious. But so far, I don't see a case here.

People are assuming that their own perceived value is the actual value. I think in a fairly transparent CRS system+with open data on draw dates inconsistency there's a lot of wishful thinking that leads to wrong expectations. When everything is so open a mature person shouldn't assume everything. That's where I am unable to understand the other side.

I've seen people call the immigration minister, PM, etc all sorts of names on twitter - I can't support people who do that in a right mind. I am not even able to see what frustrates them? Does landing on a TRV entitles them to stay permanently? These things are fundamentally wrong.

People have to define the core pillars/themes of their case. Saying stuff like "I paid taxes" is not a case. I worked in EU, US and other places where I paid way more taxes and I never said it. I never met anyone else who said it either.

The other side has to help me (and many others like me) understand better to empathize. We want success for all and happy to support people. But how do you support without reasoning?

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

The system is PURE EVIL AND SCAM! Its no better than a swindler who takes your money and never gives you the wares. Its thiefery and it goes unpunished because thieves make the law, thieves run the court and theives appoint the judges.

Anyone who takes your money and does not keeps their promise is a thief, scam artist and a scoundrel. Plain and simple. Those who steal taxes are punished by being jailed. Those who delay paying taxes are made to pay penalities. Why then Canada should be treated any different? Its simply because they are a soverign and there are no courts to punish someone like minister of immigration, refugee and citizenship. Its plain and simple.

Okay, a lot of emotions here I see. Let's make it more objective. Are you saying that the application processing fees is a scam? In what context is this being said? Is it in context to:
1. Student visa applications
2. LMIA
3. Work permits
4. PR applications
5. or, all

Because that's easy to understand

 

[Daren2023]

Why are you guys arguing about this? If someone is not happy in Canada they should move somewhere else. A ton of people move to and from Canada every day. If you find a better opportunity elsewhere just go there.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Why are you guys arguing about this? If someone is not happy in Canada they should move somewhere else. A ton of people move to and from Canada every day. If you find a better opportunity elsewhere just go there.

some people on this forum really need a chill pill. I guess people expect Canada to be some sort of heaven on earth
Yes, Canada overmarketed their immigration process
Yes Canada has alot of issues

But they are doing it in their interest, they don't really care about people like you or I. The government of canada isn't an altruistic entity, it has its own national interests

But we still come because the deal they offer is better than most around the world. The day that is no longer the case, people will stop immigrating

At the end of the day you chose to immigrate here because you chose or couldn't qualify for another country, so stop crying about it

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Beautiful of canadian citizenship: if you are career focused or money focused you can immigrate to US easily, many positions these days are advertised to both US and Canada.

If you are more focused on family and secondary education, canada is way better. 12 months paid mat leave does not exist in us

For someone like myself with a poor passport, I'll be able to travel to many countries without hassle for vacation and trips

 

[Daren2023]

“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.” John F Kennedy

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

"Hurr durr stop complaining about Canada."

- People who can't understand the difference between criticizing and complaining

Don't waste your breath, mate. Most of people here won't be able to move anywhere, other than Canada. I stopped attending this forum since Monday; really don't care about proving anything to others. I know what is the best for me and my family; I will work on that. You are correct about lack of culture in Canada; smoking weed is literally their culture. My sibling already left CA; moved to Italy. Most of my friends and former colleagues got their passports and left within a year. That's all Canada is about right now.

People like us look at CA as a temp stop; unfortunately, that's how government ended up transforming this country. Proving it to people here is a waste of time. They will keep arguing about how much the USA is worse and etc. I mean look at their "pro" arguments; "clean air", "clean roads". That's it.

You do you.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Don't waste your breath, mate. Most of people here won't be able to move anywhere, other than Canada

I mean, you're part of this group of people as well

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

I mean, you're part of this group of people as well

Sure. If that makes you sleep better at night, then yes.

Just so you know; I had an offer from NL for Uber (Amsterdam office). I made a decision to move to Canada because I paid the first fee installment. However, if that makes you feel better, then yes, Canada is my only option.

 

[Impatient Dankaroo]

Sure. If that makes you sleep better at night, then yes.

Just so you know; I had an offer from NL for Uber (Amsterdam office). I made a decision to move to Canada because I paid the first fee installment. However, if that makes you feel better, then yes, Canada is my only option.

So why didn't you go? Is that fee installment that significant to affect choosing between CAN and NL?

I had option to Master's in US as well, I opted for Canada (questionable) but I made my decision I don't cry about it

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

So why didn't you go? Is that fee installment that significant to affect choosing between CAN and NL?

I had option to Master's in US as well, I opted for Canada (questionable) but I made my decision I don't cry about it

Timing, really. I got an offer in September and I got my passport back in September as well. That's it.

Plus, the fee. It was 1 out of 2; roughly 5K. Plus, I knew Canada already. I knew how to deal with housing, I knew the city, I knew how to look and find a job, I knew a lot about CA. It was just easier.

I don't cry at all. I criticize Canada for obvious reasons. People here don't want to look at things clearly. Problems are clear; unaffordable housing, unsustainable immigration rate, the immigration attracts mostly people from certain regions that affect the level of service others get, healthcare, etc. That's it.

Mate, I don't want to argue about this whole thing again. Mod will come and delete my posts. You do you. Best of luck to you!

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

Don't waste your breath, mate.

I'm not wasting my breath because I'm not arguing. People like my posts because I'm mostly unbiased and paint both the good and the bad parts of the picture. People fail to understand what's a discussion and what's an argument, or what's criticism and what's complaint. I don't care, the data is there (55% haven't become citizens, 30% looking to leave very soon). I only share info along with my personal experience. When I'm researching something on the internet, I'll want to hear both good and bad experiences because the reality is the sum of them all. My first post included both my good and bad experiences. It's just insane that people get seriously butthurt because some random stranger said something about some random foreign country on some random website.

There isn't a single country that has literally everything perfect. But this won't change the fact that Canada is a cold, boring country with a ponzi scheme of a real estate market, unbelievably shitty and small job market, high taxes, low paychecks, and a joke of a health care system (if you call it a system). I'll enjoy the passport, sure, but I'm sane enough to understand I'll just take all I can from any country and not be completely dense to the point I'm literally arguing with random strangers online for what they might have said about some random foreign country.

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

I'm not wasting my breath because I'm not arguing. People like my posts because I'm mostly unbiased and paint both the good and the bad parts of the picture. People fail to understand what's a discussion and what's an argument, or what's criticism and what's complaint. I don't care, the data is there (55% haven't become citizens, 30% looking to leave very soon). I only share info along with my personal experience. When I'm researching something on the internet, I'll want to hear both good and bad experiences because the reality is the sum of them all. My first post included both my good and bad experiences. It's just insane that people get seriously butthurt because some random stranger said something about some random foreign country on some random website.

There isn't a single country that has literally everything perfect. But this won't change the fact that Canada is a cold, boring country with a ponzi scheme of a real estate market, unbelievably shitty and small job market, high taxes, low paychecks, and a joke of a health care system (if you call it a system). I'll enjoy the passport, sure, but I'm sane enough to understand I'll just take all I can from any country and not be completely dense to the point I'm literally arguing with random strangers online for what they might have said about some random foreign country.

I know )) I have already shared my experience that is in line with what the survey says and what you say; most of people just wait for their passport and already planning to leave. Sooner or later we will get that guy that will use his friend who is a millionaire-immigrant as an example of how "everyone can become a millionaire if they work hard in initial years".

I agree with most things you have written. That's why I look at CA as a temp stop; I think you look at it the same way.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

I know ))

Why do Russian (or Slavic in general) people omit the : when they're typing smiley faces?

 

[Deleted member 1083629]

Why do Russian (or Slavic in general) people omit the : when they're typing smiley faces?

Lol mate. I don't really know. Something that was adopted from RuNet. I am sure that there is a reason behind it but I am lazy to search for it )