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[iSaidGoodDay]

Thank you both @AndyUK & @iSaidGoodDay

I really appreciate the thorough response.

@AndyUK BTW what app did you use for conjugation? I've yet to find a good app.

I almost followed the same tutors as she has listed in her videos: https://www.youtube.com/@tanusharma01/videos

Hope this is helpful!

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

I also learned French and got an ITA in January. I am 39 years old . So I lost a lot of points on age. I had around 430 points before French and after French I had 490. It took me 1.5 years to learn and I tried everything, group classes, private tutors, books and online resources. I had to take TEF 4 times before I got min CLB 7s. The test is not offered frequently in my country so I flew to Paris FOUR times to take it (I live in Europe). It was a lot of stress and hard work but I think it is worth it. I think immigrants who know French have a better future in Canada anyway, so I think it will be useful for my future beyond just the CRS score. I have continued my weekly French lessons even since the ITA.

You are an absolute legend! Also, welcome to the post ITA club (join Jan AOR thread if you are a Jan AOR).

 

[Daren2023]

Thank you! I plan to apply in early March. I am self employed so I need some time to collect and translate all the documents.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

I checked and it adds 1 point per skill. Yeah, my goal is b2+ as it adds tons of points. I currently have a private tutor for 3 days a week (1.5 hours each).
In total, I'm spending 15-20 hours a week on french. However, I started just 2 weeks ago so it's gonna take a long while before I reach b2+.

BTW if you don't mind, how long did it take you to reach your goal in french? How did you go about achieving it? Any tips or resources?

Yeah pretty much what everyone else said. Just to add something here, it's not nearly as difficult as you may think it is at this stage. 15-20 hours a week is a very good start. You can increase that amount by sneaking french into your day to day. For me it was podcasts while driving and at the gym. Added up to easily 1 to 1.5 hours of french ilstening a day.

Don't slack on your lessons. imo, your formal learning is the most important part from an exam perspective. I've detailed everything in my guide (link in signature and in goodday's comment). Do a consistent 20 hours a week and you'll probably be a bit shocked at how much progress you'll make in 6 months.

 

[ivicts]

Please don't learn French guys...
You can use your time to do something better!!!
#StopTheFrench

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

Please don't learn French guys...
You can use your time to do something better!!!
#StopTheFrench

I mean, people can also go C-11, start-up visas, etc. But look at the level of difficulty there. I have a business background with couple already established side-businesses that I can move to Canada, but not everyone has that options.

Also, not everyone here has parents who can put $30k for the student route either. Not sure what you meant by "do something better"?

 

[GandiBaat]

I don't see anything wrong that's done by Canada. I think most people are entitled and underestimate the true cost of a citizenship. It is ~$500k in most cases. If you are getting it for free just by waiting, why complain so much? Be grateful for it

One must understand couple of things.

1. NOT getting invited is perfectly okay. Every country decides whom to take and whom not to take.

2. In "cost of citizenship", you are underestimating the tax generation potential as well. You overall tax potention is in 10s of millions if not more.

3. What CERTAINLY is Canada's fault is FUCKING UP immigration APPLICATION PROCESSING. There they should be criminally liable. Once they take your money, they are BOUND to provide the service for which you HAVE RIGHT. That is, getting your application processed timely. PLEASE be aware, GETTING PR is not a right, getting your application processed in agreed time IS. Had Canada been a private company, they would have been sued out of existance. The only thing saving them is that they are a soverign. Its not just unfare, its fraud and cheating. And they have a history of that.

- They abruptly cancelled FSW in 2013-14 or so. There by throwing out several hundred thousand of applications. And they paid NO fairly decided compensation for that. They did not even bring them into express entry which was launched in 2015. Many applicants waiting lost a lifetime of opportunity to immigrate elsewhere due to this. This is criminal. The only reason they never faced any music of it was because there is NO REAL COURT to punish them. Its like a person mass murdering people in western country and then running away to Russia or Nortb Korea and escaping punishment.

- They mismanaged their immigration processing again in 2020 by MASS processing CEC in as small as 1 month and while making FSW wait for 3 years and more and blaming it all on Covid. The backlogs are their own creation by opening up weird programs like TR2PR for NO darned reason. If COVID is disrrupting your ability to process, why to put additional burden on processing?

So, no, as a foreigner there is NEVER any reason to be thankful to a "country" or "government". These entities are calculating crooks who are beyond ANY recourse of justice. There is NO court which can provide you justice against their misdoings. EVEN a JR can ONLY send your application back to reconsideration by a different agent and nothing more. They set their own laws, they own the courts and they pay the judges too. Treat them as you treat mafia or criminal gangs. With extreme caution. Just because today their actions are benefiting you, never think that tomorrow they will not hose you down.

 

[dankboi]

UK is basically a 2nd world country?

What about Canada?

Do you remember Roger outage last year? No phone, no internet, no ATM and they couldn't solve it in two days

IRCC processing times? 26months... 2years+

Road qualities? infrastructure? health care system?

The chocolate that I bought in UK for 0.5GBP is 5CAD in Canada

Canada to me is a large continent with few people,
i was here when rogers failed, yes it affected me too.
what i like here - wide roads, lots of parks, lots of roads and unmapped trails for a making road trips.
worst tea & coffee i bought for money is from Canada. guess, i, you and anyone at home can prepare the best beverages.
doesn't feel folks here are friendly. Food is expensive, compared to all the countries I've lived and travelled.
regarding chocolates, yes it's true. food was very cheap in UK. To me UK is cheaper, but it's congested. In Canada roads are good, but bad in the cities.

processing times uh

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1626370702231371776

 

[dankboi]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canada-new-immigrants-citizenship
FIRST READING: Canada is scaring away its new immigrants
With rising numbers of newcomers already planning to move out, many new immigrants aren't bothering to seek citizenship

As Canada ratchets up immigration to the highest levels in its history, surprising new figures from Statistics Canada are showing that nearly half of all recent immigrants are no longer bothering to seek Canadian citizenship.The numbers were publicized this week by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship. And according to the group’s CEO Daniel Bernhard, they may be a sign that the Canadian dream is no longer working out for newcomers.

“What’s changing is that people have decided that they’re less interested in being ‘Team Canada,’” Bernhard said in a statement, adding that the figures are a “wake up” call to the Canadian immigrant experience is treating new arrivals.

In 2021, of the permanent residents who had come to Canada within the last 10 years, just 45.7 per cent had become citizens. In 2001, that figure was 75.1 per cent.

It’s not the first time that evidence has emerged to show that new immigrants are not as enthralled with Canada as in prior decades.

A March Leger survey — also commissioned by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship — found that more than one fifth of recent immigrants were already making plans to leave. Among under-34 immigrants, in particular, 30 per cent said they were “likely” to leave Canada within the next two years.

As to why, newcomers are citing the same concerns with the country as native-born Canadians: Skyrocketing housing costs and diminishing access to government services such as health care.

In the Leger poll, even among immigrants who wanted to stay, their number one reservation was “high cost of living.”

In a bid to boost GDP, the Trudeau government has already raised Canada’s immigration intake to the highest levels in Canadian history, and is on track to bring in 500,000 newcomers annually by 2025. Absent any dramatic policy changes, this influx will likely worsen many of the issues that are already beginning to scare away new Canadians.

On Tuesday, CIBC CEO Victor Dodig warned that if Canada continued packing in immigrants without a viable plan to absorb them, it could spur an unprecedented “social crisis.”

“New Canadians want to establish a life here, they need a roof over their heads. We need to get that policy right and not wave the flag saying isn’t it great that everyone wants to come to Canada,” Dodig said at an event hosted by Canadian Club Toronto.

One other factor potentially driving down rates of immigrants seeking citizenship is that Canada’s immigrant stream is increasingly coming from countries that do not tolerate dual citizenship, thus prompting many newcomers to remain permanent residents in perpetuity.

The chief examples are India and China. Indian nationals are required to surrender their Indian passport the moment they become Canadian citizens. Chinese prohibitions on dual citizenship were illustrated most glaringly in 2021, when the Beijing government tightened its control on Hong Kong by forcing 300,000 residents with joint Canadian citizenship to either leave or tear up their Canadian passport.

Both countries now represent a significant share of Canada’s current immigrant influx. As per 2021 figures, 18.6 per cent of recent Canadian immigrants reported India as their birthplace, while 8.9 per cent reported being born in China.

For context, just three per cent of recent immigrants were born in the United States.

In 2022, Canada officially welcomed 431,645 immigrants. Notably, the last time in Canadian history that immigration levels were this high — during the settling of the prairies in the years preceding the First World War – it was also paired with surging levels of outmigration as many newcomers swiftly abandoned their new Canadian homesteads.

“A lot of people left; outmigration was as high as in-migration for a very, very long time,” Adele Perry, a researcher of Western Canadian history, told the National Post in 2012.

 

[imransyed]

That poll looks very accurate and not exaggerated at all. Even I regularly find myself questioning if I should leave and go back to where I came from, and I find myself having to intensely remind myself about why I am here and the big picture and all that.
All the reasons/questions of the poll are spot on and I am glad to see this MAJOR issue is getting traction. I can only hope that something good will come out of it though.
I am glad about the discrimination/racism aspect of the poll also. Although not prevalent, I know it exists and people will and can feel when they are discriminated against, either in the workforce or general life.

Hell, I know a few people who came here on student visas and within the first weeks were like nope, I can do better than this, and just left!
Even in India, the student visa craze of coming to Canada has massively declined amongst my social circle.

EDIT: Also another confirmation of my personal feeling about this country: The cold isn't bad at all compared to the other myriad of easily fixable-avoidable issues I am facing here right now LOL

 

[iSaidGoodDay]

One must understand couple of things.

1. NOT getting invited is perfectly okay. Every country decides whom to take and whom not to take.

2. In "cost of citizenship", you are underestimating the tax generation potential as well. You overall tax potention is in 10s of millions if not more.

3. What CERTAINLY is Canada's fault is FUCKING UP immigration APPLICATION PROCESSING.

#2 - What I said about the cost of citizenship is to put perspective about what people are getting for so cheap. I was willing to go down the investment route (think $300k-500k) and would still have been happy despite people getting it for 2-3% of the cost. My point is, If there's no absolute promise by the govt for a PR, people whining for it makes no sense. Sure, they paid taxes - but think about these two cases and tell me if I am wrong:
- Students come for "studying" and they walk out with a degree. That's a promise that was met. Doesn't matter the tax you paid, it is your visa condition that states you'll leave. Anything on top is a "good to have".
- Work permit holders never leave with less money than they came in with.

Who is getting scammed? I think both assumed that a system with work for them no matter the socio-economic conditions. These are bets in real life. You know it, I know. Anyone in this FSW thread would know it. You can't detach yourself from reality and say "we deserve it", because there's no deserving till you are PR/citizen or did something outstanding.

#3 - I think there's a fine line between what defines a criminal conduct. It feels hyperbolic to say that an open point immigration system can be criminal. You are not even looking at people who don't get degrees without stuyding from sham colleges, paid for LMIAs, etc and criminally fooled IRCC. Just search this forum and you'll easily find cases who did it.

I understand that the system isn't perfect, but it isn't necessarily as bad or unfair as people say it is. I think people are unhappy that IRCC isn't bending to their will.

 

[Deleted member 1050918]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canada-new-immigrants-citizenship
FIRST READING: Canada is scaring away its new immigrants
With rising numbers of newcomers already planning to move out, many new immigrants aren't bothering to seek citizenship

As Canada ratchets up immigration to the highest levels in its history, surprising new figures from Statistics Canada are showing that nearly half of all recent immigrants are no longer bothering to seek Canadian citizenship.The numbers were publicized this week by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship. And according to the group’s CEO Daniel Bernhard, they may be a sign that the Canadian dream is no longer working out for newcomers.

“What’s changing is that people have decided that they’re less interested in being ‘Team Canada,’” Bernhard said in a statement, adding that the figures are a “wake up” call to the Canadian immigrant experience is treating new arrivals.

In 2021, of the permanent residents who had come to Canada within the last 10 years, just 45.7 per cent had become citizens. In 2001, that figure was 75.1 per cent.

It’s not the first time that evidence has emerged to show that new immigrants are not as enthralled with Canada as in prior decades.

A March Leger survey — also commissioned by the Institute for Canadian Citizenship — found that more than one fifth of recent immigrants were already making plans to leave. Among under-34 immigrants, in particular, 30 per cent said they were “likely” to leave Canada within the next two years.

As to why, newcomers are citing the same concerns with the country as native-born Canadians: Skyrocketing housing costs and diminishing access to government services such as health care.

In the Leger poll, even among immigrants who wanted to stay, their number one reservation was “high cost of living.”

In a bid to boost GDP, the Trudeau government has already raised Canada’s immigration intake to the highest levels in Canadian history, and is on track to bring in 500,000 newcomers annually by 2025. Absent any dramatic policy changes, this influx will likely worsen many of the issues that are already beginning to scare away new Canadians.

On Tuesday, CIBC CEO Victor Dodig warned that if Canada continued packing in immigrants without a viable plan to absorb them, it could spur an unprecedented “social crisis.”

“New Canadians want to establish a life here, they need a roof over their heads. We need to get that policy right and not wave the flag saying isn’t it great that everyone wants to come to Canada,” Dodig said at an event hosted by Canadian Club Toronto.

One other factor potentially driving down rates of immigrants seeking citizenship is that Canada’s immigrant stream is increasingly coming from countries that do not tolerate dual citizenship, thus prompting many newcomers to remain permanent residents in perpetuity.

The chief examples are India and China. Indian nationals are required to surrender their Indian passport the moment they become Canadian citizens. Chinese prohibitions on dual citizenship were illustrated most glaringly in 2021, when the Beijing government tightened its control on Hong Kong by forcing 300,000 residents with joint Canadian citizenship to either leave or tear up their Canadian passport.

Both countries now represent a significant share of Canada’s current immigrant influx. As per 2021 figures, 18.6 per cent of recent Canadian immigrants reported India as their birthplace, while 8.9 per cent reported being born in China.

For context, just three per cent of recent immigrants were born in the United States.

In 2022, Canada officially welcomed 431,645 immigrants. Notably, the last time in Canadian history that immigration levels were this high — during the settling of the prairies in the years preceding the First World War – it was also paired with surging levels of outmigration as many newcomers swiftly abandoned their new Canadian homesteads.

“A lot of people left; outmigration was as high as in-migration for a very, very long time,” Adele Perry, a researcher of Western Canadian history, told the National Post in 2012.

"Hurr durr stop complaining about Canada."

- People who can't understand the difference between criticizing and complaining

 

[GandiBaat]

#2 - What I said about the cost of citizenship is to put perspective about what people are getting for so cheap. I was willing to go down the investment route (think $300k-500k) and would still have been happy despite people getting it for 2-3% of the cost. My point is, If there's no absolute promise by the govt for a PR, people whining for it makes no sense. Sure, they paid taxes - but think about these two cases and tell me if I am wrong:
- Students come for "studying" and they walk out with a degree. That's a promise that was met. Doesn't matter the tax you paid, it is your visa condition that states you'll leave. Anything on top is a "good to have".
- Work permit holders never leave with less money than they came in with.

Oh well, it comes down to this: Pedantics of "Cost" vs "Value" vs "Monetary Cost".

Whats the value of water? Possibly infinite.
Whats the monetary cost of water? Mostly ... small. Because.... supply is decent, for now atleast.

Whats the value of citizenship of a first world country? Possibly a LOT.
Whats the monetary cost? Well, so long you are young, skilled and in reasonable health not very high. Australia, Canada, UK, Germany are all offering programs for PR with pathways to Citizenship.

So, you are paying with your youth, your skills and hence direct monetary cost is small.

Its similar to why cost search like google and its value. You pay by your metadata.

 

[GandiBaat]

Who is getting scammed? I think both assumed that a system with work for them no matter the socio-economic conditions. These are bets in real life. You know it, I know. Anyone in this FSW thread would know it. You can't detach yourself from reality and say "we deserve it", because there's no deserving till you are PR/citizen or did something outstanding.

Any one who is applying and their application is delayed beyond reasonable processing time and worse getting cancelled because of change of policy is getting scammed.

Canada OWES you to process your application on time the moment they took money. Its not like oil exploration that it should be a "bet in life". Its like buying a bunch of apples from supermarket. If your supermarket gives you apples after 3 year you pay for them when they promised a weeks delivery, you will say that they scammed you.

Remember, I am talking about PROCESSING of application and NOT the entire endevor of moving to Canada. That can be a bet. But if processing of application is a bet then its a scam. Pure Scam.

Visa processing is NO more a "bet in life" than buying an apple. You pay the fee, you get your file processed. Its results may be but NOT the processing itself.

 

[GandiBaat]

I understand that the system isn't perfect, but it isn't necessarily as bad or unfair as people say it is. I think people are unhappy that IRCC isn't bending to their will.

The system is PURE EVIL AND SCAM! Its no better than a swindler who takes your money and never gives you the wares. Its thiefery and it goes unpunished because thieves make the law, thieves run the court and theives appoint the judges.

Anyone who takes your money and does not keeps their promise is a thief, scam artist and a scoundrel. Plain and simple. Those who steal taxes are punished by being jailed. Those who delay paying taxes are made to pay penalities. Why then Canada should be treated any different? Its simply because they are a soverign and there are no courts to punish someone like minister of immigration, refugee and citizenship. Its plain and simple.