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[DesiPikachu]

Australian healthcare is no different

You've said this before but I'll say it again - it is different. Massively different.

There's private healthcare & private insurance as well in all these countries though and most middle-class folks (and above) there have private insurance on top of the usual public healthcare. So the long waiting times in Australia and UK only effects the retirees or the working-poor. Point is, at least there's a private alternative as an option there.

Most immigrants don't even know that private healthcare is outright banned in Canada.

 

[ilikesnow]

You've said this before but I'll say it again - it is different. Massively different.

There's private healthcare & private insurance as well in all these countries though and most middle-class folks (and above) there have private insurance on top of the usual public healthcare. So the long waiting times in Australia and UK only effects the retirees or the working-poor. Point is, at least there's a private alternative as an option there.

Most immigrants don't even know that private healthcare is outright banned in Canada.

Yeah I know that, but private healthcare isn't cheap at all. Me and my spouse pay close to 5000 a year for private insurance, without private insurance the healthcare isn't totally free either. Most of people have the very basic private healthcare which covers your ambulance cost($1000+) and surgeries, only 5-10% are able to afford private insurance but again private insurance doesn't mean you can get appointment very next day. I had to visit my GP first to be referred to a Gastro specialist(I has having severe pain), i.e private clinic. Got date in two weeks, doctor asked to get some tests done, next available appointment was again in two week, Lot's of procedures/tests are still not covered in Private insurance and you have to pay a % or fee. Not sure about the UK but it's not the case here that only it effects only retirees or the working-poors.

My point in above post was even with private healthcare, the wait times are still huge!!

 

[canuck655]

When you start your e-APR and complete the questionnaire , the system will generate for you all the forms you are required to complete.

Thaaaaaank you my friend

 

[Deleted member 994371]

Yeah I know that, but private healthcare isn't cheap at all. Me and my spouse pay close to 5000 a year for private insurance, without private insurance the healthcare isn't totally free either. Most of people have the very basic private healthcare which covers your ambulance cost($1000+) and surgeries, only 5-10% are able to afford private insurance but again private insurance doesn't mean you can get appointment very next day. I had to visit my GP first to be referred to a Gastro specialist(I has having severe pain), i.e private clinic. Got date in two weeks, doctor asked to get some tests done, next available appointment was again in two week, Lot's of procedures/tests are still not covered in Private insurance and you have to pay a % or fee. Not sure about the UK but it's not the case here that only it effects only retirees or the working-poors.

My point in above post was even with private healthcare, the wait times are still huge!!

From what I have heard so far........Indian healthcare seems better than first-world healthcare? Provided you aren't poor, of course. A middle-class person would have better healthcare access than a middle-class man or even a rich person in a first-world country.

 

[DBanswal]

Hi everyone,
Someone I know is mentally being tortured by her relatives as she was living with them when she had moved to Canada, and that's her dispatch address. But she'd be moving out soon. So, please let me know how can the PR card reach her so that the family doesn't destroy the document? Any help would be highly appreciated.

 

[ElvisRamaj]

If you can get "natives" (and I do not mean Native Natives...) to mate with each other, this problem would not exist. All this talk of "very few numbers" does not take in account of one simple reality : Canada has a looming crisis of old people to care for and provide for and if they do not "import" massive amount of young working force, their budget will collapse. Its that simple. Baby boom produced babies but it also produced senior boom in future because sons and grandsons of baby boomers can not procreate by choice.

Actually, there is a country that is much more concerned about "Harmonious society". Its called Japan. Till very recently, it was almost impossible to become Japanese or even stay in Japan permanently. The general opinion was as anti immigrant as it gets. Certain immigrants were outright seen as "monsters" or so called "monsta-gaikokujin". The word Gaikoku-jin for immigrants actually mean outside country people. It was as in your face discrimination as it gets in Japan. Sadly for them, it did not pan out well. These days they are working really hard to attract immigrants (temporary or even permanent). There are limited takers for their immigration program though. Language and cultural barriers hurts. Funny thing is that Japanese are actually surprised by it.

Well, to start, comparing Japan and Canada is like comparing oranges and apples because both of them are fruits. They are both first world countries, but almost totally different in every aspect, even geographically.

You implied that: "If you can get natives to mate with each other, you wouldn't have this problem".
That is not a native or Canada "problem", that is a modern educated civilization "problem". The more educated a population becomes, the less children it will have. Reasons are from economic to lifestyle choices and so on. Having less children or not at all is the reality of a developed nation because they begin to realize the costs, attention, care and needs associated with grooming a healthy child into this world, mentally and physically. Every Western developed country is facing this "problem" if you may call it, but its nature in action here. Studies show that the world population will max at 11.2 Billion in 2100 and then continue to decline from that point on. This increase in population will come from, you "guessed it", underdeveloped nations coming from, you "guessed it again" mostly Africa and parts of Asia.

About the immigration again.
As we in the era of a technology boom, we will need less to do more in the future, almost in every profession imaginable, including doctors and eldery care. The argument that you need a young force to compensate the lost of revenue from the retirees in the future is a short-sighted argument that doesn't take into equation a myramid of factors as from technology, futures wages and lifestyles, business developments and more and more. Not to mention the already producing capacity of Canada for the needed professions.

What you describe right now in BC is a life-changing phenomenon that will self-regulate based on supply and demand. If people want to talk to the doctor through the phone and not visit the clinic, that is what will happen, but if the contrary is in demand, it will be offered by someone/entity/company etc. Supply and demand is everywhere.

 

[ElvisRamaj]

Hi everyone,
Someone I know is mentally being tortured by her relatives as she was living with them when she had moved to Canada, and that's her dispatch address. But she'd be moving out soon. So, please let me know how can the PR card reach her so that the family doesn't destroy the document? Any help would be highly appreciated.

What the flying F**k ?

Since the PR hasn't been realeased yet, they can probably email the IRCC for the change of address and put a friend's one. Maybe the guys who received PR can help you on the procedure.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

That is "one" of the side effects the immigration levels Canada has planned for the last few years with the Liberal leadership.

It will self-regulate even more as time passes, meaning it will get worse and create division among the population in the future. This has been tested and proved countless times, all over the world, from New York to which ever place you want to stop.

For immigration to function properly and sustainably, it has to be on point with a certain goal and preferably as a means to an end. Not to mention, in very few numbers.

I have said a number of times, Canada doesn't need anything close to the immigration levels they have planned. Especially, the number they have appointed to each category of immigration.

Well, to start, comparing Japan and Canada is like comparing oranges and apples because both of them are fruits. They are both first world countries, but almost totally different in every aspect, even geographically.

You implied that: "If you can get natives to mate with each other, you wouldn't have this problem".
That is not a native or Canada "problem", that is a modern educated civilization "problem". The more educated a population becomes, the less children it will have. Reasons are from economic to lifestyle choices and so on. Having less children or not at all is the reality of a developed nation because they begin to realize the costs, attention, care and needs associated with grooming a healthy child into this world, mentally and physically. Every Western developed country is facing this "problem" if you may call it, but its nature in action here. Studies show that the world population will max at 11.2 Billion in 2100 and then continue to decline from that point on. This increase in population will come from, you "guessed it", underdeveloped nations coming from, you "guessed it again" mostly Africa and parts of Asia.

About the immigration again.
As we in the era of a technology boom, we will need less to do more in the future, almost in every profession imaginable, including doctors and eldery care. The argument that you need a young force to compensate the lost of revenue from the retirees in the future is a short-sighted argument that doesn't take into equation a myramid of factors as from technology, futures wages and lifestyles, business developments and more and more. Not to mention the already producing capacity of Canada for the needed professions.

What you describe right now in BC is a life-changing phenomenon that will self-regulate based on supply and demand. If people want to talk to the doctor through the phone and not visit the clinic, that is what will happen, but if the contrary is in demand, it will be offered by someone/entity/company etc. Supply and demand is everywhere.

From what you are saying, a country like Australia and US, or even a country in Europe would suit you considerably. US already has the exact policy you are talking about. Australia has limited its immigration to just students already in the country limited to particular occupations.

Why are you deadset on settling in Canada? Wouldn't another country suit your needs more? During my brief visit to Canada, every native born Canadian seemed very welcoming all kinds of immigrants. They didn't mind race, religion, turban, hijab, or anything. I saw more pious people in Canada then I did in India which is very religious in itself.

I am just saying that you will be going against the grain in Canada when you say that demographics need to be controlled. Perhaps a country that already has a policy in place to limit the people by country will suit you more. Unless you tell me you like -35c weather, there is nothing more that Canada can offer you. I don't imagine US or Australia is full of Albanians. It would be a cakewalk for a person with your skillset to make it over there.

 

[Deleted member 994371]

Well, to start, comparing Japan and Canada is like comparing oranges and apples because both of them are fruits. They are both first world countries, but almost totally different in every aspect, even geographically.

You implied that: "If you can get natives to mate with each other, you wouldn't have this problem".
That is not a native or Canada "problem", that is a modern educated civilization "problem". The more educated a population becomes, the less children it will have. Reasons are from economic to lifestyle choices and so on. Having less children or not at all is the reality of a developed nation because they begin to realize the costs, attention, care and needs associated with grooming a healthy child into this world, mentally and physically. Every Western developed country is facing this "problem" if you may call it, but its nature in action here. Studies show that the world population will max at 11.2 Billion in 2100 and then continue to decline from that point on. This increase in population will come from, you "guessed it", underdeveloped nations coming from, you "guessed it again" mostly Africa and parts of Asia.

About the immigration again.
As we in the era of a technology boom, we will need less to do more in the future, almost in every profession imaginable, including doctors and eldery care. The argument that you need a young force to compensate the lost of revenue from the retirees in the future is a short-sighted argument that doesn't take into equation a myramid of factors as from technology, futures wages and lifestyles, business developments and more and more. Not to mention the already producing capacity of Canada for the needed professions.

What you describe right now in BC is a life-changing phenomenon that will self-regulate based on supply and demand. If people want to talk to the doctor through the phone and not visit the clinic, that is what will happen, but if the contrary is in demand, it will be offered by someone/entity/company etc. Supply and demand is everywhere.

Also, the sheer size of Canada allows you to live the life you want. You say you want true multiculture, try living in area like Downtown Toronto, Vancouver or Calgary. Want to live among white people only? Try living in a place like PEI or new Brunswick. Want white people in Ontario? Try a place like Sudbury. White people in BC? Nanaimo or Victoria. Want black people in your life? Try York in GTA. Chinese? Richmond in Vancouver and Markham in Toronto.

That's one thing I realized while I was visiting Canada. There is something for everyone in Canada. You just need to know what you want.

Instead of making a whole country adapt to your perspective, you can just choose a place that already has a similar mindset as you.

 

[GandiBaat]

Well, to start, comparing Japan and Canada is like comparing oranges and apples because both of them are fruits. They are both first world countries, but almost totally different in every aspect, even geographically.

You implied that: "If you can get natives to mate with each other, you wouldn't have this problem".
That is not a native or Canada "problem", that is a modern educated civilization "problem". The more educated a population becomes, the less children it will have. Reasons are from economic to lifestyle choices and so on. Having less children or not at all is the reality of a developed nation because they begin to realize the costs, attention, care and needs associated with grooming a healthy child into this world, mentally and physically. Every Western developed country is facing this "problem" if you may call it, but its nature in action here. Studies show that the world population will max at 11.2 Billion in 2100 and then continue to decline from that point on. This increase in population will come from, you "guessed it", underdeveloped nations coming from, you "guessed it again" mostly Africa and parts of Asia.

First thing first, I never implied that "If you can get natives to mate with each other, you wouldn't have this problem". I literally said it and I stand by that.
That being said none of what you wrote matters as these are mere explanations of how Canada reached this situation. Thats the past. I never said Canada is alone... or unique or anything else. Actually I believe that Canada is mundanely common in that sense. I am merely pointing out to the very very obvious thing : Canada will need to provide for a large number of increasingly aging population. No matter how many hoops you jump, ultimately you will have to provide for that.

I mentioned Japan to drive home one simple point : An old population, no matter how much it desires against immigration, has to accept it. There is no escaping it. And it has to do in numbers needed to support its old population and keep the economy and country running. There is nothing you can do against it. Japan is actually many shade worse in every sense of the word in this regard. They are among the most anti immigration people out there and yet they now have to eat the humble pie!

As we in the era of a technology boom, we will need less to do more in the future, almost in every profession imaginable, including doctors and eldery care. The argument that you need a young force to compensate the lost of revenue from the retirees in the future is a short-sighted argument that doesn't take into equation a myramid of factors as from technology, futures wages and lifestyles, business developments and more and more. Not to mention the already producing capacity of Canada for the needed professions.

Let me put it in this way : I hold 13 patents in the so called "technology" which derives this entire craze of "we will need less to do more in future". Some of my work powers exactly this "need less to do more in future". Let me tell you one dirty secret of technology : its a daemon that has an insatiable hunger for more man power. Each time a new technology comes, it does not eliminate need for man power, it certainly moves it in a different plane -- for the lack of a better word. Sewing machines did not make profession of tailoring extinct, it just industrialized it. Secondly, people severely misunderestimate (lol) the flexibility of human labor and overestimate utility of technology.

Don't believe me? I can see that.

Let me give you one practical example, very relevant to Canada : Walmart and several stores have introduced these new-fangled self-checkout machines. Idea was the customer will do exactly what cashier used to do... The idea was to reduce load on cashier and perhaps reduce checkout lanes.. Now what happened next is funny. Walmart still is perpetually understaffed and is always looking to hire people even in cashier or now a new role. That of automated checkout helpers. Lots of old folks get stuck in these machines for one reason or the other and need help from these helpers. Technology created a role that never existed before.

Examples are simply too numerous. The entire idea of "we will need less" is flawed. Because you will not be doing the same things as in past. And for that you will AGAIN need man-power. You cann't run away from that.

 

[GandiBaat]

What you describe right now in BC is a life-changing phenomenon that will self-regulate based on supply and demand. If people want to talk to the doctor through the phone and not visit the clinic, that is what will happen, but if the contrary is in demand, it will be offered by someone/entity/company etc. Supply and demand is everywhere.

Trouble is, in BC emergency rooms are shutting down... Its not going to self regulate, it is likely going to explode! Why? People who cann't get into clinics now go to emergency room. These are healthier people who should NOT be in emergency room. They displace really sick, dying and extremely vulnerable people in emergency room even after triage. There has been many deaths in emergency rooms all over BC. A side effect of this is that staff in emergency room is not only overworked, but also highly demoralized. Nurses are quitting enmasses and thats why many emergency rooms have to CLOSE at least temporarily.

These are not a sign of self limiting problem, this is a sign of systemic problem which is self amplifying. It has a positive feedback loop. Ultimately, there will be major disrruptions in BC health care and emergency care.

The entire stupidity has been long in making. COVID just triggered it.

 

[ilikesnow]

From what I have heard so far........Indian healthcare seems better than first-world healthcare? Provided you aren't poor, of course. A middle-class person would have better healthcare access than a middle-class man or even a rich person in a first-world country.

Na, I lived in India for a long time, although you can visit your family doctor anytime and get medicine straight from doctor and mostly from a pharmacy without a prescription. If you got deep pockets, you can simply visit a bit expensive doctor but then comes greed. I have personally seen too many people getting scammed by hospitals, doctors. Unnecessary expensive medicines prescribed for no reason, forced expensive treatments and deliberately making a patient recover as late as possible to get most money out of ICU beds etc. In critical situations where you're involved in accident or other incidents where you need an ambulance, just pray to god. Dominos Pizza have 30 minutes delivery gurrantee back there but none on ambulance ETA, and I'm talking hours of delay not minutes.

 

[ElvisRamaj]

From what you are saying, a country like Australia and US, or even a country in Europe would suit you considerably. US already has the exact policy you are talking about. Australia has limited its immigration to just students already in the country limited to particular occupations.

Why are you deadset on settling in Canada? Wouldn't another country suit your needs more? During my brief visit to Canada, every native born Canadian seemed very welcoming all kinds of immigrants. They didn't mind race, religion, turban, hijab, or anything. I saw more pious people in Canada then I did in India which is very religious in itself.

I am just saying that you will be going against the grain in Canada when you say that demographics need to be controlled. Perhaps a country that already has a policy in place to limit the people by country will suit you more. Unless you tell me you like -35c weather, there is nothing more that Canada can offer you. I don't imagine US or Australia is full of Albanians. It would be a cakewalk for a person with your skillset to make it over there.

Since I am from Albania, which is located in Europe, to noone's suprise is a place that suits me, just like India to you.

Canada is a mix between US and Europe, even the architecture shows you that, not taking into account its creation history at all, which is British and French in fact, and the people who populated it came from Europe first, so lets not to take that in consideration aswell.

You said:
"During my brief visit to Canada, every native born Canadian seemed very welcoming all kinds of immigrants. They didn't mind race, religion, turban, hijab, or anything. I saw more pious people in Canada then I did in India which is very religious in itself."

For a brief visit, those are some very big conclusions you came at. As a start, you are confusing visiting with living in a country. You can like almost any country when you visit, even El Salvador where the average homicide per day was 60 before their President declared state of emergency. Since they are a first world country and a democracy I'm expecting that people express themselves, be that in opinions or appearance. Freedom of expression doesn't mean freedom from consequence. Consequence can even be not being able to be employed, because hence the decision lays in the hands of the employer during the hiring.

The fact that you mentioned to me if I wan to live like a white person and suggested the places where I can, can very well tell you what I am actually explaining: If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.

I lived in the US for some time and it was no issue for me to adapt there, I mean I fit almost perfectly. Plus, I was 14 and did a whole school year. I don't think I will have a problem fit in in almost any continent you mentioned, North America, Australia and Europe.

Why I want to move to Canada?
Answer is simple, live in a first world democratic country, that speaks a language I am capable of comprehending and engaging, and be able to put my skillsets to use. One of my Bachelors is from SUNY Empire State college in New York that has a branch here in Albania, which makes my education North American too.

Immigration is a very delicate aspect to deal with, even more if a government does it for long term economic prospects.

 

[Jennyababy]

The wait is somehow to me.

I need the words of encouragement, I called IRCC multiple times last 2 weeks. One told me all parameters passed except the expired medical, now new-remedical was passed on the 7th of August 2022. And some agents with the space of 8th - 19th August told me my Eligibility has been on recommend passed since 13th of May 2022 and other parameter including new-medical has been passed.

Are they (IRCC VOs) treating monkeypox now or they've started drinking tea and coffee everyday.
How long should I been expecting PPR?

 

[Deleted member 994371]

Since I am from Albania, which is located in Europe, to noone's suprise is a place that suits me, just like India to you.

Most of the Western Europeans (I met people from UK, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and France) were there on a working holiday visa. They didn't seem to be interested in PR and were only there to explore Canada. Believe it or not, they only wanted minimum wage jobs for a few hours so that they could enjoy themselves in the city. I mention this fact because even if you do get your wish where each demographic is limited to a certain percentage, Canada may find itself short of people as most people from Europe consider Canada a sidegrade and not an upgrade. Maybe people from Eastern European may find themselves benefitting from the policy where they may be eager to move to Canada as it will be an upgrade for them. I am only saying this because you may be subconsciously biased toward a policy that will benefit you and what you think are your people.

I feel like the policy you are advocating may not be practical. Like you said, a major source of immigration will always be people from developing nations. If you want to artificially restrict them, that would mean Canada would have to get rid of the merit-based system, which is bound to be NOC based anyway soon, and start to favor people based on demography. Wouldn't that mean that people that do make it through the system will be less skilled and less equipped for the demanding challenges of living in a first-world democracy like Canada?

And let's not forget that Canada is not US which is a leader in many industries. Most of the developed isn't really dying to get here.

But once again, what do I know. I only spent a month there and the people that welcome me with open arms and took the time to interact with me to make me feel inclusive may have been secretly racist. I am just a naive man from India incapable of forming my own judgments, unlike you, with your vast life experience of North America and (Eastern, Not Western I assume) Europe.

The fact that you mentioned to me if I wan to live like a white person and suggested the places where I can, can very well tell you what I am actually explaining: If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.

The day you land in Canada, you will realize why they need that many people. From Airports, Malls, Restaurants, and like @GandiBaat mentioned hospitals they barely have people to run those places. Sadly, it's only people from developing countries like mine and yours that wish to do those jobs.

In fact, they don't even need qualified people with masters. They just need students who will be forced to do those minimum wage jobs. The NOC-based system will probably fix this problem for them. Maybe once you actually land in Canada, you too will agree with the NOC-based approach, and let go of this demography-based notion.

Answer is simple, live in a first world democratic country, that speaks a language I am capable of comprehending and engaging, and be able to put my skillsets to use.

Nothing I saw over there would stop you from living that life. Even the Punjabi bradders that we all make fun of were capable of talking in English. And let's not forget that even the bradders will one day have to queue up in the same PR queue that you have been stuck for at least 2 years now, which would mean that would have to prove themselves as the PR system is merit-based.

If the immigration is not in sustainable and in few numbers, the division in unstoppable among the population. People from each country will start forming their neighborhoods, which is the contrary of what you want to happen for a healthy sociable environment. Again, take an example from New York, USA.

Immigration is a very delicate aspect to deal with, even more if a government does it for long term economic prospects.

This is something that doesn't really bother Canada. I don't remember where I read this but US is considered a melting pot. Canada is considered a mosaic. You can be a part of Canada without losing your original identity. If given the choice, I too, would choose to be part the society you are talking about. But alas.

One of my Bachelors is from SUNY Empire State college in New York that has a branch here in Albania, which makes my education North American too.

Sounds like you were a perfect fit for US. Why did you return from over there? With their demography-based immigration system, you should have been able to walk-in into their country based on your Albanian heritage.