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[Deleted member 1006777]

Like I know people joke about paying for a degree and getting a PR out of it (Lamda colllege jokes), but there is no program that gives you PR just because you graduated in Canada or if you have work experience in Canada. You generally have to go through EE, and to do it quickly (accumulate work experience before your permit expires).

People joke about it because that's how it is. If someone is paying for a 1 year diploma, that is purely to get a pr afterwards. Some of these make you eligible for TR2PR and other PNP programs. You are either misinformed or willfully ignorant. Let's break this down.

1. If you do a 1 year diploma, you are doing it to try to get a PR. Lie about it all you want, everyone knows that's the reason. Even still, you have access to TR2PR (which they have indicated will return in some capacity). You also are eligible for PNP programs depending on the province you go to school in. Ontario has the Master's stream for example (and there are several 1 year + internship masters that are eligible). Alberta, Manitoba and Sask also have specific PNP programs for graduates from the province. That took me less than 2 minutes to google.

2. It is VASTLY easier for a CEC to get high scores. Their applications have been prioritized for the last two years. Yet, they complain about how the scores are now too high and they don't qualify. Okay. And? Work hard. Learn to speak goddamn english and get your three years of work exp. The last two years basically handed out free PRs and now they feel entitled to having it easy.

3. No it is not difficult to qualify for FSW with a Canadian degree. If you're doing the diploma thing, yes, you're on a time constraint becasue you only get a 1 year pgwp. But anyone doing a diploma should know that going in. They tried to game the system, couldn't make the cut with such exceptionally low bars, and have the audacity to complain. If you do a 2 year degree you get a 3 year pgwp. If someone can't accrue 1 year of work exp in 3 years of having an OPEN work permit, I really do wonder how low intelligence they are.

4. Even after getting 1 year of work exp, they immediately become eligible for more PNP streams in several provinces. So they don't even need to get high scores to go through FSW.

5. They can still do all the things FSWs do to compete but they don't. Why is that? Get a CLB 10 in english, learn french, get three years of work exp. But no, they're upset becaause they're no longer able to qualify with their laughable scores.

That's why people joke about CECs. This isn't true for all, maybe even most CECs. But the representation of CEC you see on twitter etc is the lazy, low quality fool who has been handed things all their life and now they're upset it is no longer the case. If CECs are trying to get a PR without knowledge of what I just typed, I have no sympathy for them. It is the perfect representation of their laziness and entitlement. The jokes at their expense are 100% warranted. I will never include high score CECs in this category, but the average CEC is a pathetic low scorer who wants a free meal. And we know that from the score distributions the last couple of years. There is absolutely no competition and they still find a way to complain.

there is no program that gives you PR just because you graduated in Canada or if you have work experience in Canada.

Just to emphasize this more, there are several. You not knowing about them is a problem with you not doing your due diligence.


This last part is just a hunch, but CEC specific draws will come back. IRCC and Canada have set the precedent. They have rewarded and even encouraged laziness for two whole years. They can't just go back to the way things were pre pandemic. Being inland gives you significant advantages, and if you aren't taking advantage of them or are not aware of them, that is your fault entirely. <- I'm not talking about you in particular, just saying this about any CEC who likes to complain about how unfair things are or whatever.

 

[SatNight]

That’s exactly what I have been trying to say all this time.. I was also trying to say being inland you don’t even need to compete in EE.. *sigh*
you know FHS is only a small fraction of the level plan right? No more than 30% if I’m not mistaken. The rest 70% is pretty much for inlanders only

But how you don't need to compete in EE?

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

But how you don't need to compete in EE?

I believe what he means to say is you don't need to compete in EE, becasue there are s many alternate pathways available. And with CEC specific draws coming back (likely in my opinion), they aren't competing with the entire ee pool, They're competing with the CEC-specific pool which is drastically less competitive.

Not sure about the percentages he mentions, but the overall point is valid.

 

[seadrag0n]

I believe what he means to say is you don't need to compete in EE, becasue there are s many alternate pathways available. And with CEC specific draws coming back (likely in my opinion), they aren't competing with the entire ee pool, They're competing with the CEC-specific pool which is drastically less competitive.

Not sure about the percentages he mentions, but the overall point is valid.

I read that the alternative pathway to EE is paper based PNP which is very competitive and not easy to get. Not sure what other pathways are there besides EE and paper based PNP.

 

[Ultraxion]

But how you don't need to compete in EE?

Depending on whether you are studying or working in Canada, the location of your study/work, a vast variaty of federal (AIP/RNIP/AFIP etc not just EE) and provincial/territorial programs for inlanders to choose that are only in outlanders' dreams.

 

[Ultraxion]

I read that the alternative pathway to EE is paper based PNP which is very competitive and not easy to get. Not sure what other pathways are there besides EE and paper based PNP.

paper based pnp are not necessarily competitive, especially in priarie provinces (not including Alberta). they are slow tho compared to EE

 

[SatNight]

People joke about it because that's how it is. If someone is paying for a 1 year diploma, that is purely to get a pr afterwards. Some of these make you eligible for TR2PR and other PNP programs. You are either misinformed or willfully ignorant. Let's break this down.

1. If you do a 1 year diploma, you are doing it to try to get a PR. Lie about it all you want, everyone knows that's the reason. Even still, you have access to TR2PR (which they have indicated will return in some capacity). You also are eligible for PNP programs depending on the province you go to school in. Ontario has the Master's stream for example (and there are several 1 year + internship masters that are eligible). Alberta, Manitoba and Sask also have specific PNP programs for graduates from the province. That took me less than 2 minutes to google.

2. It is VASTLY easier for a CEC to get high scores. Their applications have been prioritized for the last two years. Yet, they complain about how the scores are now too high and they don't qualify. Okay. And? Work hard. Learn to speak goddamn english and get your three years of work exp. The last two years basically handed out free PRs and now they feel entitled to having it easy.

3. No it is not difficult to qualify for FSW with a Canadian degree. If you're doing the diploma thing, yes, you're on a time constraint becasue you only get a 1 year pgwp. But anyone doing a diploma should know that going in. They tried to game the system, couldn't make the cut with such exceptionally low bars, and have the audacity to complain. If you do a 2 year degree you get a 3 year pgwp. If someone can't accrue 1 year of work exp in 3 years of having an OPEN work permit, I really do wonder how low intelligence they are.

4. Even after getting 1 year of work exp, they immediately become eligible for more PNP streams in several provinces. So they don't even need to get high scores to go through FSW.

5. They can still do all the things FSWs do to compete but they don't. Why is that? Get a CLB 10 in english, learn french, get three years of work exp. But no, they're upset becaause they're no longer able to qualify with their laughable scores.

That's why people joke about CECs. This isn't true for all, maybe even most CECs. But the representation of CEC you see on twitter etc is the lazy, low quality fool who has been handed things all their life and now they're upset it is no longer the case. If CECs are trying to get a PR without knowledge of what I just typed, I have no sympathy for them. It is the perfect representation of their laziness and entitlement. The jokes at their expense are 100% warranted. I will never include high score CECs in this category, but the average CEC is a pathetic low scorer who wants a free meal. And we know that from the score distributions the last couple of years. There is absolutely no competition and they still find a way to complain.


Just to emphasize this more, there are several. You not knowing about them is a problem with you not doing your due diligence.


This last part is just a hunch, but CEC specific draws will come back. IRCC and Canada have set the precedent. They have rewarded and even encouraged laziness for two whole years. They can't just go back to the way things were pre pandemic. Being inland gives you significant advantages, and if you aren't taking advantage of them or are not aware of them, that is your fault entirely. <- I'm not talking about you in particular, just saying this about any CEC who likes to complain about how unfair things are or whatever.

I admit I don't know about those supposedly endless programs for inland applicants. Education in a province can only qualify you in your province, and not even that is guaranteed because some provinces don't have those programs or require additional conditions.

Again, I am not saying that being inland doesn't help. It helps a lot. It gives you Canadian experience that Canadian employers value. It gives you additional CRS ppints. The system itself rewards inland, especially CEC inland. But the main program is the same EE, and inland applicants have to be competitive there like anyone else. There is no consistent other program (as of now). If there was, you wouldn't have so many CEC complaining about having to compete with FSW (and PNPs but for some reason nobody mentions that).

What I mean is that it's not like inland applicants are ignoring all different opportunities and programs in order to flick to EE. Maybe some, but most people go for EE because that's the only that realistically exists for most people. (As in, not dependent on NOC, province, etc.) Just like general NOC draws will exclude many if not most people, those other programs exclude them. Just because a program is open to inland candidates only, doesn't mean that all or most inland candidates are eligible. A bit how NOC draws will technically leave people eligible but in reality it will exclude most people (probably). So yeah, EE is the only option for many.

Now. I don't think CEC draws will return. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I doubt because of the TR to PR they are preparing. It will probably be NOC related so it will exclude many people. I only hope this will not be part of EE because we don't want more spots taken from EE.

 

[Ultraxion]

but most people go for EE because that's the only that realistically exists for most people.

you are thinking this way because *you* can score high in CRS system, and ppl you know are at similar social level of yours, therefore may also score high in the system. but its not true in general. the quota for ee is around 110k every year and canada welcomes over 400k immigrants every year. this alone shows majority of ppl come in to Canada by means other than EE. of course EE is fast, cheap, but for most of the ppl it is not even worth looking at just because of how difficult it is.

 

[SatNight]

Depending on whether you are studying or working in Canada, the location of your study/work, a vast variaty of federal (AIP/RNIP/AFIP etc not just EE) and provincial/territorial programs for inlanders to choose that are only in outlanders' dreams.

Yes, there are programs but they only target specific candidates, typically based on NOC. Which is fair enough, but if it's so cool, then why are people panicking so much about C-19 and NOC draws? It just means a similar arrangement in the EE. If these are indeed so great of an opportunity, everyone, including FSW, will be soon able to enjoy the opportunity of being eligible for a program but not really.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

I admit I don't know about those supposedlu endless programs for inland applicants. Education in a province can only qualify you in your province, and not even that is guaranteed because some provinces don't have those programs or require additional conditions.

Again, I am not saying that being inland doesn't help. It helps a lot. It gives you Canadian experience that Canadian employers value. It gives you additional CRS ppints. The system itself rewards inland, especially CEC inland. But the main program is the same EE, and inland applicants have to be competitive there like anyone else. There is no consistent other program (as of now). If there was, you wouldn't have so many CEC complaining about having to compete with FSW (and PNPs but for some reason nobody mentions that).

What I mean is that it's not like inland applicants are ignoring all different opportunities and programs in order to flick to EE. Maybe some, but most people go for EE because that's the only that realistically exists for most people. (As in, not dependent on NOC, province, etc.) Just like general NOC draws will exclude many if not most people, those other programs exclude them. Just because a program is open to inland candidates only, doesn't mean that all or most inland candidates are eligible. A bit how NOC draws will technically leave people eligible but in reality it will exclude most people (probably). So yeah, EE is the only option for many.

Now. I don't think CEC draws will return. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. I doubt because of the TR to PR they are preparing. It will probably be NOC related so it will exclude many people. I only hope this will not be part of EE because we don't want more spots taken from EE.

We can cordially agree to disagree here. But one this is for certain. Even if they do only have EE to go through, they do have it easier to get high scores and qualify, but they don't. All I see from CECs on youtube and twitter is the equivalent of "Kubeir saar when will scores come down 400? I have been waiting for 17 days now it's so unfair". Whether you want to agree with me or not, things will continue to get easier for inland and tougher for outland. By 2024, I'm willing to bet the average FSW score will be above 500. That's just how competitive it is.

And you're right nothing is guaranteed, but they do have significantly more opportunities just from being inland. Whether they take advantage of those or not, whether they qualify or not, that's up to them.

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

I read that the alternative pathway to EE is paper based PNP which is very competitive and not easy to get. Not sure what other pathways are there besides EE and paper based PNP.

I have no idea about what paper based PNPs are or how they are different from regular PNPs. But fact of the matter is, there are still valid pathways.

Competitive? You mean how FSWs with 480+ have been twiddling their thumbs for two years watching 400 (and even lower) score CECs go through and get their apps processed in 6 months? Sorry man, I have no sympathy for low-score CECs. Someone takes advantage of the points boost from Canadian education and work exp and gets a 480 to qualify? Great, I'm all for it. That's the system the way it is meant to work. At least it was until Mendicino ruined it permanently and essentially reduced Canadian immigration to a meme.

 

[Ultraxion]

then why are people panicking so much about C-19 and NOC draws?

because a lot of ppl in this forum are outlanders and FSW is their only choice.

 

[SatNight]

you are thinking this way because *you* can score high in CRS system, and ppl you know are at similar social level of yours, therefore may also score high in the system. but its not true in general. the quota for ee is around 110k every year and canada welcomes over 400k immigrants every year. this alone shows majority of ppl come in to Canada by means other than EE. of course EE is fast, cheap, but for most of the ppl it is not even worth looking at just because of how difficult it is.

True, I was talking about economic immigration only. And not even the "invest 100K" entrepreneur stream, which I also assume it's not realistic for many.

 

[Choupi]

Hiii guys ,
What do u think the next draw cut off score will be ?
532 should be fine or not?
I made some pessimistic calculations ...
Our ielts is about to expire in August

 

[Deleted member 1006777]

Yes, there are programs but they only target specific candidates, typically based on NOC. Which is fair enough, but if it's so cool, then why are people panicking so much about C-19 and NOC draws? It just means a similar arrangement in the EE. If these are indeed so great of an opportunity, everyone, including FSW, will be soon able to enjoy the opportunity of being eligible for a program but not really.

Yeah like he said, this is pretty much the end for FSWs with NOCs outside of the in-demand ones. They even introduced NOCs for French now. The vast majority of FSWs will not qualify for FSW once the NOC specific stuff is implemented. Pretty decent way to funnel a few 100k per person to come study there.