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Will IRCC agree to ship Citizenship Certificate to our United States address?

alaltupp

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Hi all,

We moved to US after submitting our citizenship application. We also informed IRCC and we have our US addresses updated on our files also.

Now we need to come to Canada for the Oath Ceremony. Considering our work situation and kids schools, we cannot stay in Canada for too long.

Will IRCC agree to ship Citizenship Certificate to our United States address?
Or do we let IRCC ship to a canadian address (a friend's address) and then ask our friend to ship the certificates to us?

Or do neither of these options work and we should rather prolong our stay in Canada and leave once we have the certificates in hand?
Please advise.

Thanks,
 
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jamezmoran

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I don't think there is any issue with getting the citizenship cert sent to a foreign address, as long as you're physically in the country when you take the oath. At least it doesn't appear that way anyway judging by all the material in the oath letter and online. You're a US citizen too so it's not like you can't get back in. I would frankly just ring IRCC and get their take on it, anything you read here will be materially inferior to just asking them directly.
 

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I don't think there is any issue with getting the citizenship cert sent to a foreign address, as long as you're physically in the country when you take the oath. At least it doesn't appear that way anyway judging by all the material in the oath letter and online. You're a US citizen too so it's not like you can't get back in. I would frankly just ring IRCC and get their take on it, anything you read here will be materially inferior to just asking them directly.
Can they enter Canada using US passport even if they become Canadian citizens and without a citizenship certificate? To the best of my knowledge, they cannot, but maybe US-Canada dual citizenship holders have special considerations.
 

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Will IRCC agree to ship Citizenship Certificate to our United States address?
I highly doubt it, but you can try asking the clerk at your ceremony.

Can they enter Canada using US passport even if they become Canadian citizens and without a citizenship certificate? To the best of my knowledge, they cannot, but maybe US-Canada dual citizenship holders have special considerations.
You're right. They used to but until very recently, not anymore.
 
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Canadian passport can be applied from US, as long as the person has his/her/their Citizenship certificate.

guess, OP wants to figure out if Certificates can be mailed to US address or not.

To me it does look like an option!
 

CaBeaver

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Canadian passport can be applied from US, as long as the person has his/her/their Citizenship certificate.

guess, OP wants to figure out if Certificates can be mailed to US address or not.

To me it does look like an option!
Canadian passports can be applied to from anywhere in the world if you have the certificate. They mention on their website (I cannot find the link now) if you apply for the citizenship certificate online, the certificate can be mailed to you, even outside Canada. However, anecdotally, someone who works in the US and came back to Canada for the oath, was instructed to remain in Canada until they get the passport. So, even if it's possible on paper, they seem to be opting for not doing it.
 
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dpenabill

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Summary: Canada will mail citizenship certificates from IRCC offices in Canada to addresses in the U.S. as well as in Canada, but NOT to addresses in other countries.

However, applications for a citizenship certificate can be made to and processed through Visa Offices (abroad) where citizenship services are available, and the certificate may be mailed to an address outside Canada.

Here is a sample of information IRCC provides in its FAQ / Help Centre pages: https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1560&top=5


Context Observations; Caveats:

The CAVEAT is the distinction between an application for a citizenship certificate versus IRCC delivery of the certificate to NEW citizens following the oath ceremony. Applications for a citizenship certificate can take longer than a year.

Another CAVEAT is that Covid-related measures supersede the usual, ordinary, routine procedures. What actually happens can and in various ways does differ from some of what is stated in PDIs (Program Delivery Instructions), FAQs, and other IRCC webpages (some reflect current covid related rules, but many do not). How things worked last month may have changed or could change soon. Particular individual details can make a real difference, so how things went for one person is not necessarily to how it will go for someone else (and often it is not close).

And yet another CAVEAT is that applicants for Canadian citizenship living abroad should be prepared for bumps along the way, some non-routine processing, right up to when there is a Decision Made, and even then but to a lesser extent right up to the Oath being actually scheduled. For such applicants, which presumably includes the OP, IRCC will not mail to an address outside the Canada. The OP reports updating their citizenship application file with their U.S. address, and states "Now we need to come to Canada for the Oath Ceremony," without offering any other detail. It is not clear if the OP has been scheduled for the oath; if the OP has been scheduled for the oath, at the worst the OP should be able to provide a mailing address in Canada, assuming they have an address they can use and trust, and go with that.

And that is probably the safest approach. If the oath ceremony is in person, not a virtual ceremony, the OP could inquire, with the officials presiding at the ceremony, about using a U.S. address for mailing the certificate. And go with what the officials at the oath ceremony say.


Clarifying Distinction Between IN Canada services versus Visa Office Services:

Some of the observations in posts above appear to suggest that passport services through Visa Offices abroad is relevant. Just because a Visa Office will mail to an address outside Canada, in conducting the services the Visa Office provides, says NOTHING about whether a service provided IN Canada will mail to addresses outside Canada. Some services IN Canada will mail ONLY to addresses in Canada; some will mail to addresses in Canada and the U.S. (such as in response to applications for a citizenship certificate); some may (I cannot cite an example) mail to addresses in other countries. But it depends on the particular service and rules and practices in IRCC for processing those services.

The U.S. is a common exception. But NOT for processing grant citizenship applications. For grant citizenship applications (with isolated and not relevant here exceptions) IRCC ONLY MAILS to IN Canada addresses.

How Things Work:

Generally IRCC offices IN Canada only mail physical documents domestically, meaning to Canadian addresses. Visa Offices abroad will mail to non-Canadian addresses.

Visa Offices abroad only provide certain services. Such as passport services (this service is not necessarily available at all Visa Offices however). Which is why passports can and will be mailed to addresses outside Canada.

Some services are ONLY available through a Visa Office, such as applications for Special Travel Documents by a Canadian citizen abroad, or for PR Travel Documents by a PR abroad.

Some IRCC services are only provided internally, such as most services related to processing citizenship applications. Thus, IRCC will ONLY mail citizenship application matter to addresses IN Canada. (Most communication now is email, or otherwise electronic, so physical mailing limitations have minimal impact . . . unless and until sending physical documents is involved.)

Some services are available BOTH IN Canada and in Visa Offices. Applications for citizenship certificates for example. But, where the application is made will almost certainly dictate what addresses the office handling the application will mail the certificate. Applications processed by Visa Offices will mail to addresses abroad. Applications processed by IRCC offices IN Canada will only mail certificates to addresses in Canada and the U.S.

That is, it is NOT necessarily about what document is involved, but can be, rather, about whether the service is being provided IN Canada or abroad in a Visa Office.

It warrants recognizing that what is done in internal office processing (meaning IN Canada), versus Visa Office processing, is mostly (not entirely) administrative, with lots of overlap (passport and other citizenship services, again, are handled both internally and in visa offices), and rife with exceptions.

What that means is that any particular service can be available ONLY IN Canada, or ONLY in a visa office, or in either (that is, both). Only if the service is available through a Visa Office will IRCC mail physical items, documents, to an address outside Canada. BUT, of course, there are exceptions, as there almost always are.

In regards to exceptions, there tend to be quite a few in regards to the U.S. Some Visa Office services for clients in the U.S., after all, are handled at physical locations in Canada, for example.

But the exceptions regarding the U.S. do not include citizenship application procedures. For transactions with citizenship applicants IRCC does not mail notices or letters or documents to addresses outside Canada. As noted, for citizenship certificates, IRCC in Canada will mail to the U.S. But not to other countries. Otherwise, Visa Offices abroad providing citizenship services will mail citizenship certificates to addresses in other countries.


Another Distinction: What Works Versus What Goes Smoothly and Quickly:

This forum is rife with "answers" based on technical requirements. Meeting technical requirements works but this comes with a HUGE CAVEAT: barely meeting the technical requirement can complicate processing, potentially trigger elevated scrutiny and non-routine processing, and otherwise result in delays, or even lead to a negative outcome if the applicant fails to meet IRCC's interpretation and application of the burden of proof. The distinction, the difference, is more nuanced than that, of course, and the impact varies widely depending on the particular requirement and other context.

Consider:
"Canadian passports can be applied to from anywhere in the world if you have the certificate [and certificates can be mailed to addresses outside Canada]. However, anecdotally, someone who works in the US and came back to Canada for the oath, was instructed to remain in Canada until they get the passport. So, even if it's possible on paper, they seem to be opting for not doing it."​

Not sure who the "they . . . opting for not doing it" references, but the distinction I have already noted in regards to having a citizenship certificate mailed to an address outside Canada is a clue, a big clue. Big difference between the NEW citizen being mailed a certificate immediately following the oath, minimal passage of time until the certificate is physically in the mail heading to an address in Canada (possibly addresses in the U.S. as well, but more likely not) versus an application for a certificate made to a Visa Office, which will mail the certificate to an address outside Canada . . . EXCEPT that may take a YEAR or more. No advanced degrees in philosophy necessary to recognize those who are becoming NEW citizens will almost universally prefer the certificate the fast way, and likewise following that, the typically much faster and smoother process of applying for their first Canadian passport IN Canada. Those willing to wait and to work with Visa Offices abroad, can do that. No surprise that personnel with IRCC suggest the former. Contrary to some reports otherwise, IRCC personnel tend to be rational, reasonable, and sometimes even exercise common sense.
 

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Re: Recurring Misinformation About Documents Needed to ENTER Canada:

I may be a tired old piece of . . . (you get the drift), but part of what makes me tired is how frequently misinformation about what documents are needed to enter Canada is repeated in this forum.

Can they enter Canada using US passport even if they become Canadian citizens and without a citizenship certificate? To the best of my knowledge, they cannot, but maybe US-Canada dual citizenship holders have special considerations.
Canadians do NOT need any particular documentation to obtain ENTRY into Canada. Of course they need sufficient documentation that will enable border officials to verify the traveler's identity and status in Canada. Proof of identity almost always suffices for Canadians, since once their identity is verified, their status as a Canadian (for both citizens and PRs) is readily verified in GCMS. Border officials cannot turn away Canadians at a Port-of-Entry. Not Canadian citizens. Not Canadian PRs. (Covid measures can impose restrictions and subject Canadians to certain consequences, but that is about public health measures not immigration and citizenship regulation; and allowing an option to not enter to avoid certain consequences does not constitute denying entry.)

Thus, for example, a Canadian (either a PR or citizen) who shows up at a PoE into Canada and presents a valid U.S. passport should have NO problem being identified as a Canadian and will be allowed entry into Canada. (By the way, it is not clear the OP is a U.S. citizen; possibly but in context, "moved to U.S." at least hints otherwise, like many who use Canada as a stepping stone on a path to obtain status in the U.S.)
Note: in the last year many border crossings were closed, and some closed to non-commercial travel, due to Covid measures. If the PoE is not allowing entry to anyone (with exceptions), of course it will not allow entry to a Canadian presenting a U.S. passport . . . but if the PoE is open to returning Canadians presenting Canadian status documents, it is open to all returning Canadians and again NO PARTICULAR DOCUMENTATION is necessary.​
Of course the government prescribes preferred documentation. For Canadians that would be either a Canadian passport or a valid PR card. Again, however, no particular documentation is necessary once a Canadian is at the PoE applying for physical entry into Canada.



Documentation showing authorization to enter Canada is a different thing altogether.

Documentation showing authorization to enter Canada is necessary to board commercial transportation headed to Canada. Documents that qualify are specified by regulation. In particular, only the specific documents listed qualify. Thus, unlike how it works obtaining physical entry at the PoE, to board an airline flight the Canadian must show a valid travel document PLUS valid documentation of their Canadian status. For Canadian citizens this is limited to the Canadian passport or a special Travel Document obtained for the particular trip. For Canadian PRs this is limited to a PR card or a PR Travel Document. These requirements limit who can board commercial transportation to Canada. They do not limit who will be allowed to physically ENTER Canada at a PoE.

Leading to . . .
[Re: Can they enter Canada using US passport even if they become Canadian citizens and without a citizenship certificate?]
They used to but until very recently, not anymore.
Again, under immigration rules Canadians do not need any particular documentation to ENTER Canada. Even a passport from a country which is not visa-exempt will suffice (with rare exception, such as where that fails to link the traveler to client records showing Canadian status). So a U.S. passport will suffice to obtain ENTRY.

Moreover, U.S. citizens are exempt from the rule requiring Canadians to present specified documentation of Canadian status in order to board a flight to Canada. In particular, the U.S. passport is documentation of authorization to enter Canada which suffices for purposes of boarding commercial transportation coming to Canada.

Thus, an American citizen who is also a Canadian PR or a Canadian citizen can board a flight to Canada by presenting just their U.S. passport. HOWEVER, there have been special public health requirements separately restricting who has been allowed to board an airline flying to Canada during the last year plus. Without wrangling with the precise details, and noting the limitations have been substantially relaxed this fall, for much of the last year and a half or so, documentation showing Canadian status was being required even for U.S. citizens, since travel to Canada by U.S. citizens was subject to public health limitations.
 

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no offence, but you write a phd essay every time you reply to a post, i'm shocked cuz it seems like you have so much time
Assuming your comment is addressed to me, sorry I "shock" you. Frankly, however, that seems a rather extreme reaction to mere information a forum participant can so easily scroll past if they are not interested. And, honestly, insult-radar is flashing at least a cautionary yellow, if "no offence" was intended, what is the intended point?

Some concern for my well being? Seems rather unlikely, but if so, no need to worry. Yes, I have the time to try to get things right. And trying to get things right is important, even if there are more than a few who approach posting here otherwise.

I offer comment in regard to very few issues, typically more complicated issues, and typically issues where the discussion is confused or misleading. Of course it takes more time to correct misinformation, misleading information, or even vague or confusing information. I offer what I can and do my best.

A cryptic tweet sized post noting that @CaBeaver conflated what services are available through Visa Offices versus services available through IRCC offices IN Canada, without further context, would illuminate little and fail to explain how the difference matters . . . which matters if the objective is to offer real information about how things actually work. For perspective, for example, getting a citizenship certificate mailed to an address outside Canada (other than the U.S.), using citizenship services available in a Visa Office, is a very different process than getting the certificate mailed to an address in Canada IMMEDIATELY after the oath . . . and thus the remarks about citizenship certificates being mailed to addresses outside Canada was more confusing than helpful, more misleading than informative.

And the comments about what Canadians need to ENTER Canada were just plain wrong. That is misinformation too often repeated here to correct every time, but hopefully some of those who have repeated it will learn and contribute accordingly.
 
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Visa Offices abroad will mail to non-Canadian addresses.

Visa Offices abroad only provide certain services. Such as passport services (this service is not necessarily available at all Visa Offices however). Which is why passports can and will be mailed to addresses outside Canada.

Some services are ONLY available through a Visa Office, such as applications for Special Travel Documents by a Canadian citizen abroad, or for PR Travel Documents by a PR abroad.
Two points that are perhaps pretty minor but:
1) Visa office vs consulate/consular services: in Canadian missions abroad, consulates provide some assistance and services (like new passports for citizens, emergency assistance, etc). For the most part, these services are only for citizens - there are some exceptions about certain services that apply to PRs, and some legal and other matters that can be for foreigners (mostly narrow legal matters) and I won't get into those - because it's complicated and I don't know all the details.

-The visa offices really almost exclusively provide the visa services including PRTDs and issuance of new visas for PRs, TRVs, etc.

And a related note - because very few other countries have it split this way, there may be references to 'consular section' of Canadian embassy about visa issuance that's just mistaken or not using language the Canadian missions do.

Anyway: in simple terms - a citizen who's lost their passport goes to the consular section. A PR who's lost their PR card and needs a PRTD will go to the visa section or visa office. (It's a bit weird because both will ultimately deal with IRCC mothership but that's the way it is). Or for the most part, consular sections will deal with citizens; most issues from PRs are not through consular section (some exceptions).

Note, I don't think this is particularly interesting or compelling information to memorize or anything - just that sometimes confusion happens because of terminology. If in doubt, there are global telephone numbers (global affairs runs) that you can call to try to get clarity.

2) Whether or not a given visa or consular office will mail or deliver a document by courier - very much depends on the specific service and country of service. I believe a lot of the consular offices (outside north america) used to insist clients come in to receive many documents esp citizenship and passport - but that may have changed since start of covid. In other words, it depends and you may have to find out at the specific consular office.
 

jamezmoran

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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
15-11-2016
AOR Received.
15-11-2016
Med's Done....
16-11-2016
Passport Req..
21-12-2016
VISA ISSUED...
06-01-2017
LANDED..........
04-03-2017
no offence, but you write a phd essay every time you reply to a post, i'm shocked cuz it seems like you have so much time
For a question as nuanced as this, it's absolutely necessary. The only alternative is to speak to a lawyer or an immigration official directly to make 100% sure of the situation which best applies to you. It may come as a surprise to you, but immigration law is a hideously complicated topic of discussion, especially when the wrong actions can result in actual years worth of delays.
 
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dpenabill

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Whether or not a given visa or consular office will mail or deliver a document by courier - very much depends on the specific service and country of service.
That is another worthwhile observation, since actually this refers to another layer of distinction I glossed over, and it is significant. You are right, for Canadian citizens abroad the citizenship certificate can be sent to a location abroad where Canada provides consulate services, which does not necessarily mean it will be mailed to the citizen's address abroad.

The core of the subject here is that the OP was asking about the immediate mailing of a citizenship certificate following the oath. Which has little if any relationship to services provided through IRCC offices abroad.
 
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