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Hi,

What does it mean that an application has become "in process"?

Does it mean the application has reached the local processing office? Or does it mean the local processing office has started processing it?

Is there any clear map how the files is handled (and by who) starting from when the application is received till the Oath?

Thanks,

AgMaA
 
Hi,

What does it mean that an application has become "in process"?

Does it mean the application has reached the local processing office? Or does it mean the local processing office has started processing it?

Is there any clear map how the files is handled (and by who) starting from when the application is received till the Oath?

Thanks,

AgMaA
Ircc says this when you look on Ecas.

"Application In Process
Your file has been sent to the Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) office closest to your home for processing.

Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada officials will complete the necessary steps to make a decision on your application. If additional information or documents are needed, you will be contacted.

If you are between the ages of 18 and 54, you will have to meet the knowledge and language requirements for citizenship. The citizenship test will determine if you meet the knowledge requirements for citizenship. You will be notified by mail about the time and place of your test. Adult applicants who are 65 years old or older are not required to take the citizenship test.

An interview with a citizenship officer or citizenship judge may also be required. Should this be necessary, you will be notified by mail about the time and place of your interview."
 
Applicants who are more than 54 years old are not required to take citizenship test and not 65 years
Looks like they have a typo! I was only reading the top part didnt even notice. Thanks for catching that
 
Thanks all.
So, who sends the AOR and who sends "In Process" communications, Nova Scotia or the local office?

~A
 
Hi,

What does it mean that an application has become "in process"?

Does it mean the application has reached the local processing office? Or does it mean the local processing office has started processing it?

Is there any clear map how the files is handled (and by who) starting from when the application is received till the Oath?

Thanks,

AgMaA

Between the Instruction Guide and IRCC Program Delivery Instructions (see link to citizenship PDIs at https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...ns-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals.html ), IRCC provides the ROUTINELY processed citizenship applicant with all the information the applicant needs to know.

For the ROUTINELY processed application, the steps are simple:
-- application received and checked by CPC-Sydney; we do not know all the checks done at this stage, but for sure the application is screened for completeness, file opened in GCMS, referrals to RCMP and CSIS for clearances are made, and it appears there is still some further screening done at CPC-Sydney between AOR and In Process
-- In Process means that CPC-Sydney has referred the application to a local office; however, this does NOT necessarily mean the local office has taken any action on the file and indeed it is not likely there is action taken UNTIL a processing agent takes action to prepare for administration of test (if applicable) and interview, which leads to . . .
-- Processing agent prepares file for test/interview (we do not know all the details about this action, but probably takes less than an hour for the vast majority of applicants), including scheduling
-- Test/Interview done in local office
-- If the application is still in the Routine Processing stream, the processing agent submits application to Citizenship Officer for decision-making
-- Citizenship Officer decides to grant citizenship, which is the Decision Made, and initiates steps to schedule oath
-- Oath ceremony​

Obviously, if there is any non-routine action taken, that involves a tangent/procedure outside the above processing stream. A very common and not usually a problem non-routine action is a Finger Print request, which can be initiated by CPC-Sydney or the local office, but of course this takes the application out of the routine processing stream at least temporarily.

REMINDERS:
-- The vast, vast majority of time between AOR and Decision Made the application is sitting in a queue waiting on an appropriate processing agent or officer to take the next step.
-- GCMS tends to be out-of-date for some steps and some actions; for example
-- -- AOR is an acknowledgement of receiving the application and typically does NOT get entered into GCMS until MONTHS later than when IRCC actually receives the application, and similarly
-- -- "In Process" means the application has passed the checks done in the CPC-Sydney and the file/application has been referred to a local office for "processing," BUT GCMS may fail to show the file/application is in a local office UNTIL much later when a processing agent in the local office actually takes some action on the file/application
-- -- Formal background clearances (RCMP-criminal check; CSIS-security check) may be complete but GCMS will often show these as outstanding, perhaps for a long time after the respective agency has completed and submitted its clearance, typically until a processing agent or officer has taken some action on the file/application which includes logging clearance results (this is very similar to the application being at IRCC for a long while before AOR, before GCMS will show the file is at IRCC)​


For ROUTINELY processed citizenship applications there is a "clear map" for how the application is handled, but the precise details are not entirely public information. Once the file passes the completeness check in Sydney, the file includes a File Requirements Checklist (FRC) which outlines the entire process. However, the FRC is confidential, as in NOT publicly available information. Indeed, it appears that even if the application ends up in litigation before the Federal Court, the FRC is NOT included in the certified record, so that neither applicants nor their lawyers get access to it. (Similarly, the File Preparation Template, which is also used for contested-presence-cases and which details IRCC's investigation regarding presence-questions, is not part of the certified record, apparently for the same reason.)

There is a leaked copy of a very early version of the FRC floating around the internet, from 2012 (when major changes to the process were implemented by Minister Kenney under PM Harper); the current FRC (or its equivalent if the label has changed) is for sure different than the 2012 version (some of us obtained later internal memos, through the ATI process, documenting some changes which, however, also included a significant amount of redacted material), but most information tends to confirm that the general outline (or "map" if one prefers) is at least very similar.


In any event, as for . . .

"Does [In Process] mean the application has reached the local processing office? Or does it mean the local processing office has started processing it?"​

Neither. But it has been "referred" to the local office. Timeline between referral to the local office (between the "In Process" date) and when someone in the local office actually takes action on the file, varies considerably.


Thanks all.
So, who sends the AOR and who sends "In Process" communications, Nova Scotia or the local office?

~A

CPC-Sydney.
 
Between the Instruction Guide and IRCC Program Delivery Instructions (see link to citizenship PDIs at https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...ns-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals.html ), IRCC provides the ROUTINELY processed citizenship applicant with all the information the applicant needs to know.

For the ROUTINELY processed application, the steps are simple:
-- application received and checked by CPC-Sydney; we do not know all the checks done at this stage, but for sure the application is screened for completeness, file opened in GCMS, referrals to RCMP and CSIS for clearances are made, and it appears there is still some further screening done at CPC-Sydney between AOR and In Process
-- In Process means that CPC-Sydney has referred the application to a local office; however, this does NOT necessarily mean the local office has taken any action on the file and indeed it is not likely there is action taken UNTIL a processing agent takes action to prepare for administration of test (if applicable) and interview, which leads to . . .
-- Processing agent prepares file for test/interview (we do not know all the details about this action, but probably takes less than an hour for the vast majority of applicants), including scheduling
-- Test/Interview done in local office
-- If the application is still in the Routine Processing stream, the processing agent submits application to Citizenship Officer for decision-making
-- Citizenship Officer decides to grant citizenship, which is the Decision Made, and initiates steps to schedule oath
-- Oath ceremony​

Obviously, if there is any non-routine action taken, that involves a tangent/procedure outside the above processing stream. A very common and not usually a problem non-routine action is a Finger Print request, which can be initiated by CPC-Sydney or the local office, but of course this takes the application out of the routine processing stream at least temporarily.

REMINDERS:
-- The vast, vast majority of time between AOR and Decision Made the application is sitting in a queue waiting on an appropriate processing agent or officer to take the next step.
-- GCMS tends to be out-of-date for some steps and some actions; for example
-- -- AOR is an acknowledgement of receiving the application and typically does NOT get entered into GCMS until MONTHS later than when IRCC actually receives the application, and similarly
-- -- "In Process" means the application has passed the checks done in the CPC-Sydney and the file/application has been referred to a local office for "processing," BUT GCMS may fail to show the file/application is in a local office UNTIL much later when a processing agent in the local office actually takes some action on the file/application
-- -- Formal background clearances (RCMP-criminal check; CSIS-security check) may be complete but GCMS will often show these as outstanding, perhaps for a long time after the respective agency has completed and submitted its clearance, typically until a processing agent or officer has taken some action on the file/application which includes logging clearance results (this is very similar to the application being at IRCC for a long while before AOR, before GCMS will show the file is at IRCC)​


For ROUTINELY processed citizenship applications there is a "clear map" for how the application is handled, but the precise details are not entirely public information. Once the file passes the completeness check in Sydney, the file includes a File Requirements Checklist (FRC) which outlines the entire process. However, the FRC is confidential, as in NOT publicly available information. Indeed, it appears that even if the application ends up in litigation before the Federal Court, the FRC is NOT included in the certified record, so that neither applicants nor their lawyers get access to it. (Similarly, the File Preparation Template, which is also used for contested-presence-cases and which details IRCC's investigation regarding presence-questions, is not part of the certified record, apparently for the same reason.)

There is a leaked copy of a very early version of the FRC floating around the internet, from 2012 (when major changes to the process were implemented by Minister Kenney under PM Harper); the current FRC (or its equivalent if the label has changed) is for sure different than the 2012 version (some of us obtained later internal memos, through the ATI process, documenting some changes which, however, also included a significant amount of redacted material), but most information tends to confirm that the general outline (or "map" if one prefers) is at least very similar.


In any event, as for . . .

"Does [In Process] mean the application has reached the local processing office? Or does it mean the local processing office has started processing it?"​

Neither. But it has been "referred" to the local office. Timeline between referral to the local office (between the "In Process" date) and when someone in the local office actually takes action on the file, varies considerably.




CPC-Sydney.

Dear dpenabill, VIP member. Hats off for your very vast, elaborative and informative details.
I am 74 years old, my application was received by CPC Sydney on 8th Feb 2019 and is IP since 16th May,2019. I have submitted copies of certificates of MCom LLB exam along with PCC from India. On contact in July 2019 I was informed that security chek and background verification is in process. Again in September last week I was informed that every verifications done and my name is put in queue. On my further enquiry that in which queue my file us listed, then she laughed and told me that it us in the long queue of interview.
Since you are seems to be very matured in immigration , will you share your views about my further waiting expected on the basis of already settled cases viewed by you. Thanks
 
Dear dpenabill, VIP member. Hats off for your very vast, elaborative and informative details.
I am 74 years old, my application was received by CPC Sydney on 8th Feb 2019 and is IP since 16th May,2019. I have submitted copies of certificates of MCom LLB exam along with PCC from India. On contact in July 2019 I was informed that security chek and background verification is in process. Again in September last week I was informed that every verifications done and my name is put in queue. On my further enquiry that in which queue my file us listed, then she laughed and told me that it us in the long queue of interview.
Since you are seems to be very matured in immigration , will you share your views about my further waiting expected on the basis of already settled cases viewed by you. Thanks

I am NOT an expert and I am especially NOT qualified to offer personal advice for individual cases. For many reasons, including practical reasons.

Actual timeline in an individual case is very difficult to forecast. For applications ROUTINELY processed, which local office is processing the application seems to be as relevant a factor as any other. Obviously, if there is any action taken on the application outside the ROUTINE processing stream, what that is becomes a big, big factor in how long things take (typical Finger Print request generally adds little more than a month or two to the timeline and for many does not seem to have much impact at all; in contrast, RQ-related requests can add a considerable amount of time; but even among these factors, there is wide, wide variation in the impact on the timeline).

Test-exempt applicants (55 and older) are in the SAME queue for the interview as those who will take the test at the interview. So your age is NOT a factor in how long it will take. And yes, for many if not most applicants, the queue between the In Process date and the Interview date is the longest period of time in the overall timeline. (See spreadsheet information for comparison of timeline elements.) For many applicants, it can be difficult to understand the fact that months and months go by and NOTHING is happening to the application, it is literally simply sitting and waiting its turn in the queue. But that is it. Just sitting. Like standing in line at the grocery store. Nothing will happen until a local office processing agent picks up the file (more like accesses the file electronically in GCMS) to prepare it for the interview . . . and that probably takes a MERE PART of an hour, or not much more. But that is the biggest wait in the process.

The last I reviewed forum information about timelines, an overall timeline approaching a year, even plus some, seems to be quite common. But again, for individual applicants it VARIES a lot.

WONDERING/CURIOUS: I do not know what impact of the election, and the fact that currently NO Parliament has yet been formed, has on processing citizenship applications. As I understand it, there may not be a current Minister of IRCC. But again I am no expert and I do not know the details about how the day-to-day government works when Parliament has been disbanded for an election and a new Parliament remains to be formed. (I do not understand the delay, only that the opposition is already complaining and calling for Trudeau to proceed with calling Parliament.)
 
I am NOT an expert and I am especially NOT qualified to offer personal advice for individual cases. For many reasons, including practical reasons.

Actual timeline in an individual case is very difficult to forecast. For applications ROUTINELY processed, which local office is processing the application seems to be as relevant a factor as any other. Obviously, if there is any action taken on the application outside the ROUTINE processing stream, what that is becomes a big, big factor in how long things take (typical Finger Print request generally adds little more than a month or two to the timeline and for many does not seem to have much impact at all; in contrast, RQ-related requests can add a considerable amount of time; but even among these factors, there is wide, wide variation in the impact on the timeline).

Test-exempt applicants (55 and older) are in the SAME queue for the interview as those who will take the test at the interview. So your age is NOT a factor in how long it will take. And yes, for many if not most applicants, the queue between the In Process date and the Interview date is the longest period of time in the overall timeline. (See spreadsheet information for comparison of timeline elements.) For many applicants, it can be difficult to understand the fact that months and months go by and NOTHING is happening to the application, it is literally simply sitting and waiting its turn in the queue. But that is it. Just sitting. Like standing in line at the grocery store. Nothing will happen until a local office processing agent picks up the file (more like accesses the file electronically in GCMS) to prepare it for the interview . . . and that probably takes a MERE PART of an hour, or not much more. But that is the biggest wait in the process.

The last I reviewed forum information about timelines, an overall timeline approaching a year, even plus some, seems to be quite common. But again, for individual applicants it VARIES a lot.

WONDERING/CURIOUS: I do not know what impact of the election, and the fact that currently NO Parliament has yet been formed, has on processing citizenship applications. As I understand it, there may not be a current Minister of IRCC. But again I am no expert and I do not know the details about how the day-to-day government works when Parliament has been disbanded for an election and a new Parliament remains to be formed. (I do not understand the delay, only that the opposition is already complaining and calling for Trudeau to proceed with calling Parliament.)

Thank you very much for such descriptive reply. You have very correctively explained the basic reasons of processing though variable from person to person and cpc to cpc. Pl advise as to whether GCMS request if made, can hamper the processing of my application or not
Regards.
 
Thank you very much for such descriptive reply. You have very correctively explained the basic reasons of processing though variable from person to person and cpc to cpc. Pl advise as to whether GCMS request if made, can hamper the processing of my application or not
Regards.

I do not know. I doubt it. Maybe, sometimes, in certain less than usual circumstances.

There are situations in which the ATIP request is a good idea. BUT usually it is a wasted, uninformative effort. Discussed in depth in numerous topics.
 
I do not know. I doubt it. Maybe, sometimes, in certain less than usual circumstances.

There are situations in which the ATIP request is a good idea. BUT usually it is a wasted, uninformative effort. Discussed in depth in numerous topics.
Thanks for sharing. It is better to wait.