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sahil88

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Hello everyone,

I am yet to start with my immigration process. At the moment i am in touch with WWICS, New Delhi to take my case for express entry immigration.

I have a couple of enquiries.

1. I have a 3 years BBA degree from GGSIP University (State level university,New Delhi) and have a 1 year masters degree from Manchester Business School. So, if anyone had a similar case or know about it, can you tell as to how WES evaluate that 1 years masters degree?
Will it be considered as full time masters or will it considered as the 4th year Bachelors or an additional degree/diploma?

2. I am owner of business. I have 4 years of work experience and my role and responsibilities comes under Purchasing Director (0113). So being an owner of a business, will the immigration consider my profile?

3. Which consultancy is the best in New Delhi, incase anyone hired it in recent times.

Thank you for the help in advance.

Hoping to get some speedy replies.
 
My 1 year MSC degree from South Bank University has been evaluated as equivalent to Master's Degree in Canada

You can visit their website and fill up their form which will give you an idea what your credentials will be equivalent to in Canada

Regards
 
sahil88 said:
2. I am owner of business. I have 4 years of work experience and my role and responsibilities comes under Purchasing Director (0113). So being an owner of a business, will the immigration consider my profile?

Presumably you mean for FSW stream, which requires at least one year of continuous work experience at the appropriate level. MM5612E (document checklist) states the following:

"Self-employed individuals must provide documentation from 3rd party individual(s) indicating the service provided along with payment details. Self-declared main duties or affidavits are not acceptable evidence of work experience."

Would you be able to get such evidence?
 
As long as it means asking my clients to give a proof of payments and deals made for them along with payments, then i think i can easily arrange that.

Also, i am still looking for more confirmations regarding 1 year Masters credentials given by WES.
 
sahil88 said:
As long as it means asking my clients to give a proof of payments and deals made for them along with payments, then i think i can easily arrange that.

Also, i am still looking for more confirmations regarding 1 year Masters credentials given by WES.

Not sure what you mean by making deals with clients. You need to demonstrate that you performed the NOC duties. This is straight forward if you were e.g. a consultant offering professional services, but in your case, you have to ask yourself whether you have offered services in such a way to clients as could be vouched for by them. If you've largely worked for your own business with no-one to vouch for your actual duties, and with clients only able to confirm payment and delivery of final service, then someone else has to vouch for it.

Do you have a registered company with staff? What is your exact position- i.e. are you formally employed by a company that you have a shareholding in? Do you have senior/general managers employed who work alongside you and who can vouch for your NOC duties? Can you back up your income statements with invoices, bank statements and tax receipts? Or by business do you mean an ad-hoc arrangement- cash in hand, no tax paid, no regular staff to vouch for you, duties claimed largely done sitting by yourself in an office with noone senior enough to vouch for them, no regular salary, no registered company, no third party evidence of completed contracts etc?

Remember also that you have to demonstrate that the work was full time equivalent so you need to have your hours worked vouched for. I believe that FSW is designed for formally employed persons/consultants. Senior positions inculding that of directorships need to be formally held and vouched for through the likes of HR etc otherwise you're going to find it difficult to prove you actually did any work.
 
I am owner of Food grain business. My job duties match with the NOC code 0113 (Purchasing Manager/Director).

I have been doing this from past 4 years now. I can show Income Tax Returns and bank statements to show my consistent income withdrawn and taxes paid.
Now the questions is how can i get third party authentication since i am the owner. My company is registered and i have a staff of 2 salaried employees that can be proven through my company bank statements and then have a few others who are employed on cash basis.

There is no one senior to me and my dad has his own firm in the same industry. He overlooks my firm activities too but that can't be proven on paper.

What should i do?
 
sahil88 said:
1. I have a 3 years BBA degree from GGSIP University (State level university,New Delhi) and have a 1 year masters degree from Manchester Business School. So, if anyone had a similar case or know about it, can you tell as to how WES evaluate that 1 years masters degree?
Will it be considered as full time masters or will it considered as the 4th year Bachelors or an additional degree/diploma?
---- exact same situation. IPU was Canadian Bachelors equivalent, UK Masters was one year full time Masters program - don't worry as Manchester and IPU are both legit. IPU will take about 2 weeks reissue the Transcript in a sealed envelope and MBS would send it directly to WES. WES takes about 3 weeks thereafter.

3. Which consultancy is the best in New Delhi, incase anyone hired it in recent times.
---- strongly recommend NOT using any. Their version is 'only consultancy' i.e Guidance to tell you about the STEPS which are readily available on various threads in this forum and folks here are VERY HELPFUL (http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/express-entry-in-a-nutshell-t394158.0.html / http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/express-entry-step-by-step-instructions-t273928.0.html )
You're smart enough to go through this forum and interpret. At the end of the day YOU have to go get transcript from IPU & MBS, have to send to WES, have to register and take the IELTS test. That summarises stage one to make the EE profile. Wait for ITA then you will yourself have to get PCC, go for medicals, get reference letters etc - threads again valid - http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/ready-reference-steps-to-follow-and-documents-to-arrange-post-ita-t455826.0.html (


Good luck.
 
Thanks for the reply. But my main concern here is whether my 1 year masters degree will be evaluated as Masters degree program or will they consider it as an extra degree/diploma.

According to the consultants here WES will not give me full points for masters as its 1 year taught program that i did instead of a traditional 2 years masters program. And i don't fulfill their 17 years of education. Is it true?
The CRS tool awards less points if WES puts me in the bracket of Bachelors's degree or 1 extra degree/diploma instead of the Masters degree one.

Please help.

Thanks
 
sahil88 said:
Thanks for the reply. But my main concern here is whether my 1 year masters degree will be evaluated as Masters degree program or will they consider it as an extra degree/diploma.

According to the consultants here WES will not give me full points for masters as its 1 year taught program that i did instead of a traditional 2 years masters program. And i don't fulfill their 17 years of education. Is it true?
The CRS tool awards less points if WES puts me in the bracket of Bachelors's degree or 1 extra degree/diploma instead of the Masters degree one.
Please help.
Thanks

As I mentioned above, I had the exact same situation. One year full time MSc program from U.K and WES has duly recognised it as an independent Masters degree.

You can use the TOOL on WES CANADA website to see for yourself. Reiterating, the consultant would be a waste of money ...
 
sahil88 said:
I am owner of Food grain business. My job duties match with the NOC code 0113 (Purchasing Manager/Director).

I have been doing this from past 4 years now. I can show Income Tax Returns and bank statements to show my consistent income withdrawn and taxes paid.
Now the questions is how can i get third party authentication since i am the owner. My company is registered and i have a staff of 2 salaried employees that can be proven through my company bank statements and then have a few others who are employed on cash basis.

There is no one senior to me and my dad has his own firm in the same industry. He overlooks my firm activities too but that can't be proven on paper.

What should i do?

I've already provided a comprehensive answer to your query before. You didn't answer any of my questions. You say that you are an "owner" but that's quite irrelevant as FSW is designed for employed individuals/consultants and business shareholding is irrelevant. If yours is a formal, registered business with HR, staff and all paperwork in order, someone senior enough can vouch for you. If it's a very ad-hoc arrangement then you may struggle.
 
I have sent you a direct message.

I wanted to post it here as well after messaging you but didn't know you can't see your sent messages. Argh!


Anyway, i am still looking for more opinions over my self-employment.
 
sahil88 said:
Pasting your PM here as since you wanted to put it up.

1. My company is registered and have only 2 employees that are withdrawing salary on monthly basis. The company bank statements can prove that.
2. My exact position is the Proprietor of the firm though, after speaking to a couple of consultants, they asked me to list down the responsibilities that i performed in the last 4 years and later told me i could apply as a Purchasing Manager, since they matched with the NOC code 0113.
3. I don't have any senior manager but yes, i do have a accountant that not only handles my business accounts but also manages the work for me (Accountant cum manager). He ofcourse withdraw salary from my company on monthly basis but is not senior to me. So am not sure if he can vouch for the duties that i performed. Also, i myself did the hiring of staff in my business, so i don't really have a designated HR department or personnel.
4. I can back up payments received in form of electronic transfers and tax paid against my income etc. I have been filing my Income tax returns ever since i joined business. So, everything is documented in that respect.
5. I have performed all the duties that i listed in my resume to which the consultants i was in touch with told me to apply with Purchase manager profile. Also, i have a few suppliers to which we have sold the purchased goods (purchased by me). They are registered companies too. Do you think they can vouch for me?

Please research how skilled immigration works. If considering Federal Skilled Workers (FSW), you need to demonstrate continuous paid employment within a suitable NOC. This may include salaried as well as self-employed positions, but the latter needs to be vouched for by third parties including hours, salary and duties. The most important aspect is having your duties and responsibilities vouched for which match the lead statement and duties of your prospective NOC. If self-employed you would typically have performed duties on a freelance or consultancy basis e.g. an IT consultant. Clients and senior colleagues would be able to attest to the actual duties you performed.

Now you are a small business owner. It may be that skilled immigration isn't the most suitable category to begin with. Various provinces have schemes targeting entrepreneurs and investors which you may want to review.

If you believe you are eligible for skilled route, you need to forget the fact that you are a business owner and think of your work as being skilled labour, i.e. that you have performed certain duties and been remunerated for it, thinking of your business as your employer.

To proceed, you need to select a suitable NOC. You need to review the duties listed and see whether you have performed them and whether they can be vouched for. 00 NOCs are for senior management. However as your company is basically a one man outfit with no colleagues, senior management, HR and effectively no staff, it would be a challenge to spin your work experience as being that of the NOC which you have highlighted. The duties for 0013 include "Authorize and organize the establishment of major departments and associated senior staff positions"- but you have no departments or senior staff. Also "Select middle managers, directors or other executive staff; delegate the necessary authority to them and create optimum working conditions"- again you have no relevant staff.

This NOC would be suitable for someone working for an established company on a salaried basis or for various companies on a freelance basis. Having a small business does not make one a CEO. Forget what the consultants say, you need to go through the NOCs and find one that is applicable to you.

You may want to consider such NOCs as 1225 (Purchasing agents and officers), 1524 (Purchasing and inventory control workers) etc. Check that the NOC you choose is eligible for relevant immigration scheme.

As to whether people you have purchased from can comment on your duties, it depends on the duties stated. Typically as a self-employed person, you need to have provided professional services in an organised manner. If you have been fulflling tenders and have written work contracts, this may be helpful to back up your claims but primarily you need to have a specific list of duties and responsibilities on a reference letter issued by an employer, client who has received services, or failing this (and you would need to explain why), from a senior manager or colleague. Remember that the hours worked need to be vouched for somehow.

Conclusion: Some homework to be done at your end. Research your options.
 
Oh okay. I'll do my research and get back to you.

Could you PM me your email address. May be I could send you my resume which has the list of duties that I performed. May be you could see if whatever you said falls anywhere close to it.
Also about someone vouching for them, I'll see what can be done about the same along with the right NOC code if it doesn't goes with what the consultants have suggested me.

Thanks again for the insight. Really appreciate it.