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Hi,

I am going to apply for PR renewal soon. First 3 years of last 5 years I never been in canada while last 2 years never left canada. Now I want to use the urgent processing tool but want make sure what happens in case CIC refuse the urgent processing, do I have the option of continuing the application as regular one and I just cancel my tickets and wait until I get the PR? Or they ask me to apply for PRTD from outside Canada and when return submit new application? Or they just ask me to choose whatever suits me?.

Thank you!

Regards,
Soprano
 
Soprano said:
Hi,

I am going to apply for PR renewal soon. First 3 years of last 5 years I never been in canada while last 2 years never left canada. Now I want to use the urgent processing tool but want make sure what happens in case CIC refuse the urgent processing, do I have the option of continuing the application as regular one and I just cancel my tickets and wait until I get the PR? Or they ask me to apply for PRTD from outside Canada and when return submit new application? Or they just ask me to choose whatever suits me?.

Thank you!

Regards,
Soprano

Urgent processing may be denied, in which case CIC will usually proceed with the application in due course.

If you can well-document your presence in Canada for more than 730 days in the last five years, and particularly if that is within the latter portion of the time period, you can travel abroad and you should be able to obtain a PR Travel Document. Be sure to take proof of compliance with the PR Residency Obligation with you and submit that with the PR TD application.

Unless you have already purchased tickets, it may be worth noting that it appears that applications for urgent processing by PRs who barely meet the PR Residency Obligation tend to cause CIC to elevate the level of scrutiny. It is likely, as well, that if CIC has concerns (and of course cutting it real close is a factor which could invite concerns), that could cause the timeline to be longer than that for routine PR card applications. What I am suggesting is that waiting to apply for the card until after you have at least a bit of a margin over 730 days, and waiting to travel until a routinely processed PR card application is processed, is probably the prudent thing to do.

Remember, a PR abroad not in possession of a currently valid PR card is assumed to NOT have PR status. Thus, when such a PR abroad applies for a PR TD, the burden of proving valid status and compliance with the Residency Obligation is on the PR, completely on the PR.
 
Thank you Dpenabill, you look really experienced!.

I have the option of returning from US by my private vehicle. Does this a good one instead of PRTD or I may have problems at the border?. I think I have good documentation of 730 days proofs that I will carry with me when return from land border. What do you think?.

Thanks again,
Soprano
 
Soprano said:
Also, how much days you think would be the margin above 730 days?.

Based on what we've seen here, I would say that if you have anything below 800 days and request urgent processing, CIC is more likely to decide to process your applications using the normal process (not urgent).
 
Thank you, my question was how much days margin if I apply normal process not urgent. Also do you recommend that I apply normal then travel and return private vehicle from us border?. Thanks again guys!
 
If you travel by private car back to Canada, you don't need a PRTD. You can bring proof you meet RO, and that you've submitted a PR renewal app already and you shouldn't have any problems entering.
 
Soprano said:
Thank you Dpenabill, you look really experienced!.

I have the option of returning from US by my private vehicle. Does this a good one instead of PRTD or I may have problems at the border?. I think I have good documentation of 730 days proofs that I will carry with me when return from land border. What do you think?.

Thanks again,
Soprano

I am no expert.

The return via the U.S. is a viable option, if available, largely because applications for a PR TD tend to invite more strict scrutiny. Moreover, the assumption applicable to a PR abroad without a valid PR card is not applicable (at least technically).

That said, it is important to have sufficient proof of compliance. There are many indications that these days CIC and CBSA (the officers at the POE) are more thoroughly scrutinizing PRs for RO breaches and more strictly enforcing the obligation than they were in the not-so-distant past.
 
Hi,

I was looking to get some help on here.

I have currently sent my application for renewal of PR. But have come to find out that I need to travel towards end of September. I was looking to send in a request for urgent processing and needed some help with the process. I will list all the background information which will ensure I get the most accurate advice.

PR expiry date - April 2015
Sent in my PR renewal application - June 5th 2015
No update on website even though it has been over 6 weeks. (Apparently they are having issues with the online portal, or so it says on the website!)

Questions
1. Do I need to redo the entire application? or can I just send the proof of travel and payment along with a cover letter with my client ID?
2. What other avenues can I approach to expedite processing? Contact the local MP?
3. Usual processing time for renewal of PR? Does that time frame increase if the application for renewal is received past the expiry date?

Thanks!
 
AH2585 said:
Hi,

I was looking to get some help on here.

I have currently sent my application for renewal of PR. But have come to find out that I need to travel towards end of September. I was looking to send in a request for urgent processing and needed some help with the process. I will list all the background information which will ensure I get the most accurate advice.

PR expiry date - April 2015
Sent in my PR renewal application - June 5th 2015
No update on website even though it has been over 6 weeks. (Apparently they are having issues with the online portal, or so it says on the website!)

Questions
1. Do I need to redo the entire application? or can I just send the proof of travel and payment along with a cover letter with my client ID?
2. What other avenues can I approach to expedite processing? Contact the local MP?
3. Usual processing time for renewal of PR? Does that time frame increase if the application for renewal is received past the expiry date?

Thanks!

Caveat: A forum like this is NOT a proper venue for obtaining personal "advice." No one here should be offering personal advice, even if in other contexts they are authorized and qualified to offer "advice" (such as an authorized consultant).

Many here, however, can offer observations and suggestions and information based on experience, familiarity with CIC practices and policies, or with the anecdotal experiences shared by others.

In any event, most of what you need to know about applying for urgent processing is posted online by CIC.

See CIC web page for urgent processing of PR card application generally, and CIC page for urgent processing for PR cards for those who have already made an application for the new card.

Note that the CIC website distinguishes those who have an application "in process." If not in process, CIC site says to submit a new application.

Hard to guess what the best way to proceed is for someone in your situation . . . current timeline posted by CIC (110 days) suggests you might not get your card before late September (or, with mailing time added, not until second week of October) without urgent processing. This is the holiday season and perhaps this somewhat longer than usual timeline will continue, and it could get longer (in the past it has gotten as long as six months or so). However, CIC typically tries to pull this timeline back to less than three months, so the time line could shrink some before September.

A key question, which perhaps some other participant here has some information regarding, is how long it has been taking for applications to be "in process." If, for example, you are close to that, it would probably be worth waiting and following the procedure for applications already in process.

Note: urgent processing is totally discretionary, never anywhere near guaranteed, and thus very well might not be given.


Cautionary note:

I have no clue about your personal situation. If, however, you have been present in Canada less than half the time in the last five years, you may want to consider the following:

There is no consensus here, and in fact some forum participants overtly disagree with me about this, but my sense is that for PRs cutting it at all close in terms of compliance with the PR Residency Obligation, applying for urgent processing can trigger elevated scrutiny and a secondary review, which not only would preclude urgent processing but can result in delays well beyond the routine processing timeline.

There is no definitive parameters prescribing who is cutting it close. Less than 800 days presence, probably . . . but less than 900 days (less than half time in Canada for the previous five years), perhaps that too is cutting it close . . . but also recognizing that other factors can loom large in influencing whether CIC has concerns about compliance with the PR RO.

Again, others here disagree with me, but it does not seem like a good idea to seek urgent processing for any PR who is cutting it close relative to compliance with the PR RO.
 
Soprano said:
Hi,

I am going to apply for PR renewal soon. First 3 years of last 5 years I never been in canada while last 2 years never left canada. Now I want to use the urgent processing tool but want make sure what happens in case CIC refuse the urgent processing, do I have the option of continuing the application as regular one and I just cancel my tickets and wait until I get the PR? Or they ask me to apply for PRTD from outside Canada and when return submit new application? Or they just ask me to choose whatever suits me?.

Thank you!

Regards,
Soprano
Be cognizant that if you apply right at the 730 days then leave the country you are subject to a review of the RO when making a PRTD application or when examined at the POE upon re-entry into Canada. Case law shows a multitude of PRs leaving at say day 731 then getting stuck outside Canada and losing their PR status ostensibly through a PRTD application to collect their newly issued PR Card!
 
I could not post a new topic so I am using this thread to submit my query.
I have just completed 730+days and I would like to apply to renew my permanent resident card, which has already expired.
I need to travel at the end of November and I wonder if I could apply with the urgent procedure or if I should go with the normal procedure?
In addition, I would like to sponsor my husband who is currently living abroad.
Do I have to wait to wait until I receive my new card to sponsor him or could I start the process once I submit my application?
Thank you.