newtone said:
I am not sure where you are getting all these information about immigrants doing well. This forum alone should be more than evidence for you to present a strong argument in favour of immigrants not doing well. I have yet to see one success story in this forum who have arrived and said they have risen to the top of Canada's largest and most successful companies (I am ignoring people who are 2nd gen Canadian, I am talking about immigrants only). And I have been in this forum long enough. I seriously think your posts are very misleading and gives new immigrants the idea that there is something wrong with them, their education, their work experience and absolutely nothing wrong with Canada. This kind of behavior literally kills the aspirations and morals of new immigrants and they feel guilty they came here. You are telling me I am doing something wrong, If I tell immigrants there is nothing wrong with them, instead there is something wrong with Canada.....wow!
Perhaps if you spent a bit more time in Canada, you would be aware of the numerous success stories. Look at people like Nadir Mohamed (CEO of Rogers), Robert Herjavec (CEO of Herjavec Group), Frank Stronach (founder and CEO of Magna), Adrienne Clarkson (former Governor General) and Michelle Jean (current Governor General) and the numerous MP's. These are all FIRST generation immigrants, and these are some of the more public figures. Walk into any Bay Street banks and you will see numerous immigrants there. Go to any startup in KW and it is full of immigrants. Look at consulting firms in town and there are plenty of immigrants there. So how can you possibly repeatedly state that immigrants only work as taxi drivers?
newtone said:
Its very wrong to say immigrants come here with a sense of entitlement. Talk about generalization. Do you really think people leave their family, careers, lifestyle, school, and come here to build a new life have a sense of entitlement. If anything they would be extremely humble and naive because they left their country to come to Canada, Canada did not pick them up from their country.
I didn't say immigrants come here with a sense of entitlement...I said YOU have a sense of entitlement as you seem to blame the government for your lack of success in finding a job. Canada did not force anyone to apply. People voluntarily choose to apply and immigrate to Canada, and at no point through the process are they ever guaranteed employment.
newtone said:
If its not the governments role to create jobs for immigrants then why does the government import soo many immigrants on the basis of education and work experience? Do you have an answer????? Obviously not otherwise you'd either be the labour or immigration minister. Why not bring uneducated truck drivers, carpenters and plumbers from India and let them immigrate here?
I agree with you here that the immigration streams need to be dramatically reduced, if not stopped altogether. The influx is far too great for the economy and infrastructure to support.
newtone said:
Now here are the answers to your confusion
i) Jobs maybe super competitive but that mostly applies to people who are born and brought up here with Canadian work experience and education. Do you really think someone from Manila Polytechnic Institute with Philippines work experience even stands a chance? But he will get maximum points to immigrate here, this is just absurd, what a waste of talent.
ii) If their experience in their home countries may not be directly applicable in Canada then why give them points when they apply for immigration?
iii) This reason is completely hogwash, global economy has nothing to do with immigration and even if it did then stop immigration but Canada wont do that cause they need more people to come here spend money, pay taxes and they'll prolong their citizenship while the poor highly skilled educated immigrant works mopping the floors at McDonalds. The only good thing that happened from global recession is low interest rates that led to house prices sky rocketing. This is great for people who owned houses 10 years ago, they are millionaires today. Now you have immigrants who come here are doing 5 part time jobs (cause employers don't have money to hire someone full time permanant) so that they buy over priced houses, inflated cost of living, increased taxes. And the cycle continues.
i) I'm not sure what your point is. Like I said, jobs are competitive, but as I showed earlier, immigrants are having success. Whether someone with a degree from Manila Polytechnic Institute can compete effectively or not is not up to me to determine. I attended a US university, and found a job here fairly easily.
ii) Again, immigration and careers are two separate things. The government awards points to prospective immigrants, but that has NOTHING to do with private companies hiring them. Thankfully, the programs have been slightly reformed so top priority is given to those immigrants who already have jobs, but again, as you can tell by the bitching and moaning on these forums, people aren't happy with EE either.
iii) I never said the global economy has anything to do with immigration. I said that economic factors will obviously impact the number of jobs available in Canada. For the last 7 years, the global economy has been in the dumps and yet people like you blame Canada for not offering jobs. When people were getting laid off across the US, were you bashing Obama? Are you against the governments of Greece and various other European countries for the recession that they are in today? Economies are cyclical...during boom times, there will be more jobs than there are today.
