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Hi Guys
I have a tough question,Guy is going to be sponsored as IT Professional from Iran,No problem 79 points,The problem is that he is legally married to 2 women in Iran with Children by both,Who decides which wife or can 1 wife and all children go to Canada???I am stumped Any takers???
 
The applicant hs to decide, whose family he want to bring, means if he want to bring one and left other, then he must agree other family. Even though Most of muslim countries, people are married but don't register with registering bodies but as you mention he is legally married with both wives, then without wish of family, he can't drop.

So to your question, Who decides to bring whom....... Applicant but again, he must agree the droping family, otherwise his wife has legal right to do any claim againt to him.

This is what per my knowledge. Hope some one will explain more in details.
 
oops!!! that one's a bouncer..

it's tough managing demands of 1 family... leave alone 2...

but, i respect the man for loving 2 women equally and wanting to take them both with him to Canada.

But, Canada sure doesn't allow 2 marriages. But, it does allow Common-Law...

the person may be able to take 1 wife along and then, sponsor the other one as a common-law partner...
just a thought, it may be stupid :)
 
BCguy said:
Hi Guys
I have a tough question,Guy is going to be sponsored as IT Professional from Iran,No problem 79 points,The problem is that he is legally married to 2 women in Iran with Children by both,Who decides which wife or can 1 wife and all children go to Canada???I am stumped Any takers???

My view:
1) Is it only one wife he wants to bring?.
If yes, he will need to go to a Notary/Lawyer and get an Affidavit of the other Wife, stating that she has "NO OBJECTION"

2) Is it the children of both wives he wants to bring? If yes, then, again, this will depend on the age of the children and a "NO OBJECTION" Certificate of the non-accompanying wife will be required.

3) Doesn't he want to bring both wives and all the children? If, No then above scenario.

4) If, Yes, to No.3, then I think he should just apply accordingly, submit the legal marriage certificates (as Polygamy is allowed and accepted in his country of residence plus in Muslim countries) or alternatively, he should contact the CIC and request for Information.
 
in canada it is forbidden to marry 2 females

so you must divorce one and take the other


this is the only legal solution

there are many other illegal solution
 
Well since getting married to two wifes is legal in his country and illegai in canada them he should contact CIC on how to deal with such a situation. whhhhoooooo good Luck to him.
 
Hi

rascojenkins said:
Well since getting married to two wifes is legal in his country and illegai in canada them he contact CIC on how to deal with such a situation. whhhhoooooo good Luck to him.

Here is what CIC says

"13.2. Polygamous marriages
Officers must counsel both parties that polygamy is an offence under the Criminal Code of
Canada.
R117(9)(c)(i) states that a spouse is not a member of the family class if the spouse or sponsor
was already married to another person at the time of the subsequent marriage. This regulation
prohibits a second (or third, etc.) wife from being recognized as a spouse within the family class
and provides that only the first marriage may potentially be recognized for immigration purposes.
In order for the first marriage to be recognized as legally valid under Canadian law, the couple
must live together in a monogamous marriage in Canada. Common law imparts that a
polygamous marriage can be converted into a monogamous marriage provided that the couple
live together in a monogamous relationship from the time of arrival in Canada. This conversion is
effected by the stated intention of the parties to so convert their marriage, followed by some
factual evidence that they have complied—usually by divorcing the other spouses and/or by a
remarriage in a form that is valid in Canada.
Note: The Department cannot require divorce(s) and remarriage. However, officers can ask for
evidence that the parties have converted their marriage to a monogamous one and can explain
what might constitute such evidence.
The decision to refuse must be based on the balance of all evidence, and not solely because the
applicant did not obtain a divorce. The parties must understand that refusal to provide such
evidence may result in a refusal of their application.
OP 2 Processing Members of the Family Class
2006-11-14 49
A polygamous second (or third, etc.) marriage cannot be converted to one of monogamy. If a
husband wishes to sponsor a wife other than his first as a spouse, he must divorce his other wives
and remarry the chosen wife in a form of marriage that is valid in Canada. He and his chosen
spouse must sign a declaration to that effect.
When a sponsor and applicant have been practising polygamy and there are children existing
from several spouses, officers must caution the sponsor and the spouse being sponsored that
other spouses will not be eligible for immigration to Canada even if their respective children are
sponsored. Officers must explain that separation of children from their mothers will likely be
permanent, and counsel the sponsor and applicant to consider the consequences of that
separation on the children. If the children nonetheless are sponsored, and if one of these children
subsequently sponsors their respective mother, this mother must be cautioned that she will have
no spousal status and related legal protection in Canada and that she will not be eligible for
support or other benefits that also flow from marriage under Canadian law.
The prohibition against polygamy in the Regulations, and the lack of recognition of all spouses
except the first, cannot be avoided by processing a second spouse as a common-law
partner. Legally, it is not possible to establish a common-law relationship that meets the definition
of such in terms of conjugality, where one or both parties are still living in a pre-existing conjugal
relationship. The notion of conjugality has within it the requirement of monogamy; therefore, it is
only possible in law to establish a new common-law relationship after a person is either divorced
or separated from the spouse or common-law partner and where they have convincingly formed
the intention not to continue with that previous relationship.
An already existing marriage, uninterrupted by separation, divorce or death, is a barrier that
cannot be overcome when assessing a second spouse as a common-law partner. However,
where such a barrier is removed (i.e., a first wife is subsequently divorced or is deceased), a
husband and second wife could choose either to remarry, or could potentially meet the definition
of common-law partner (i.e., where a husband was separated from a first wife and lived with a
second wife in a bona fide conjugal relationship for one year after the separation from a first
wife). Because a subsequent marriage (where the first is continuing) is not valid in Canadian law,
persons in such a scenario would be considered as single in law and thus, they would have to
remarry to be considered married under Canadian law."

PMM
 
I guess the solution can be found in the extract (is already given by the extract ) posted by PMM.
What I personally can conclude from this is that it is not possible to have both "ladies" over as wives.
 
Here is what He decided to do since He is wealthy,He is coming in as a Business Skill BC Investor,Divorce wife no 2 .Legally Bring in Wife number 1 as his legal wife.Bring in Wife no 2 as a Key employee for the Business and live in 2 adjacent apartments or Houses keeping all his legal papers with wife no 1 who hje will perrmanently live with and regularly vist as well as providing support to ex wife no 2 Is this ok?
 
Well BCguy, accourding Islamic Law, if he divorce one wife, he can't keep any kind of communication with her. I am not a Islamic Scholor, but even you give divorce without intension, just for papers, It will count as divorce.
 
There should be some fair solutions for moslems married to two because it is legal and not criminal under the Islamic law, isn't it the same like having two girlfriends at the same time?!
 
maple said:
There should be some fair solutions for moslems married to two because it is legal and not criminal under the Islamic law, isn't it the same like having two girlfriends at the same time?!

Mahharrouf, do you know if the rule about divorce and communication could be different among Shias? I notice that the applicant is from Iran so probably a Shia.
 
rupeshhari said:
maple said:
There should be some fair solutions for moslems married to two because it is legal and not criminal under the Islamic law, isn't it the same like having two girlfriends at the same time?!

Mahharrouf, do you know if the rule about divorce and communication could be different among Shias? I notice that the applicant is from Iran so probably a Shia.

Good question Rupesh.
How are you Man? All OK with U? How is the Immigration process going on?