Sponsor Approval and Tax Status

[akayalto1]

Low-Income Cutoff is where they assess you to see if you make enough to sponsor. However in Spousal cases, they exempt the Sponsor. Only offered the story to show that the Tax Return situation shouldn't be a big deal for your application.

Did you decide to apply inland or outland? When they assess the Sponsor changes...

Oh, I see. So as a Canadian and as a Spouse that is sponsoring, I am exempt from the low-income cutoff.

I think we will arrive in Canada with my partner as a visitor, and then marry in Canada soon thereafter. Then put in the application for PR as an Outland, as the posted processing times are 11 months from the office in Rome, and 26 months for an Inland application.

 

[profiler]

Oh, I see. So as a Canadian and as a Spouse that is sponsoring, I am exempt from the low-income cutoff.

I think we will arrive in Canada with my partner as a visitor, and then marry in Canada soon thereafter. Then put in the application for PR as an Outland, as the posted processing times are 11 months from the office in Rome, and 26 months for an Inland application.

Those numbers for inland are actually old. I was looking at the numbers released from June last week, and they are more like 22 months. You can see for yourself here: http://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/53105221-7652-47b1-96e2-1f85715a067c .

Outland they will assess the sponsor first I believe. Inland they don't until just before they issue AIP (or at least it sure looks that way!)..

 

[akayalto1]

Those numbers for inland are actually old. I was looking at the numbers released from June last week, and they are more like 22 months. You can see for yourself here: http://open.canada.ca/data/en/dataset/53105221-7652-47b1-96e2-1f85715a067c .

Outland they will assess the sponsor first I believe. Inland they don't until just before they issue AIP (or at least it sure looks that way!)..

You mean that the numbers that are posted right now on the CIC site are incorrect. I just looked them up to quote for my last post? I can see that in the XLS file you linked that it says 22. That's weird that they wouldn't update the site that people are checking... thanks for the help.

Either way 11 months of outland is half of the 22 months of inland. One benefit of inland is the work permit, but my partner is pregnant, so not really looking to work until after the birth.

 

[profiler]

You mean that the numbers that are posted right now on the CIC site are incorrect. I just looked them up to quote for my last post? I can see that in the XLS file you linked that it says 22. That's weird that they wouldn't update the site that people are checking... thanks for the help.

Either way 11 months of outland is half of the 22 months of inland. One benefit of inland is the work permit, but my partner is pregnant, so not really looking to work until after the birth.

It also takes 4 months to get that OWP. There are pro's and con's to the system. Really it's personal preference and tolerance.

 

[akayalto1]

It also takes 4 months to get that OWP. There are pro's and con's to the system. Really it's personal preference and tolerance.

Yeah, The OWP isn't really necessary for us. The main thing for us is getting to Canada with enough time to set up house and give birth, then get my partner OHIP. We aren't planning on going anywhere in that time, so I think that Outland is still better for the shorter processing times, and she should be able to extend her visitor's visa at the 5 month mark for the birth only a couple months later

 

[Rob_TO]

Yeah, The OWP isn't really necessary for us. The main thing for us is getting to Canada with enough time to set up house and give birth, then get my partner OHIP. We aren't planning on going anywhere in that time, so I think that Outland is still better for the shorter processing times, and she should be able to extend her visitor's visa at the 5 month mark for the birth only a couple months later

You do realize she won't qualify for OHIP as a visitor here? Typically one needs to land as a PR and then wait 3 additional months to qualify for OHIP coverage.

If just on visitor status when she gives birth, you need to be prepared to pay all costs out of pocket. See if you can get a midwife as their services are free even if you don't have OHIP.

 

[akayalto1]

You do realize she won't qualify for OHIP as a visitor here? Typically one needs to land as a PR and then wait 3 additional months to qualify for OHIP coverage.

If just on visitor status when she gives birth, you need to be prepared to pay all costs out of pocket. See if you can get a midwife as their services are free even if you don't have OHIP.

Yes, I understand all the details and risks. We have already found a midwife. I'm now just trying to make sure everything else is in order to make it the speediest process.

 

[akayalto1]

You do realize she won't qualify for OHIP as a visitor here? Typically one needs to land as a PR and then wait 3 additional months to qualify for OHIP coverage.

If just on visitor status when she gives birth, you need to be prepared to pay all costs out of pocket. See if you can get a midwife as their services are free even if you don't have OHIP.

I have found a midwife and am willing to pay the expenses if necessary at the hospital. The main concern I have now are the steps involved in getting to Canada and submitting our application.
1. Travel to Canada with my partner with an eTA an a return flight home.
2. Get married soon after our arrival in December.
3. Submit our application OUTLAND and wait.....estimated time 11 months.
4. Deliver our child in May/June. * Do I update our application at that point to say that we have a common child? Any advice on this would be helpful, especially if it would further prove that our relationship is legitimate. As it is only 2 years that we've been together.
5. Get approval hopefully some time in the summer
6. Apply for OHIP once she gets approved for PR, then take the denial letter to the claims board to get it quicker....

Would there be any reason why I would not be eligible/be denied as a sponsor? ie. Tax status, low income etc? Can I use my parents to help guarantee or support me in the sponsorship?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

4. Deliver our child in May/June. * Do I update our application at that point to say that we have a common child? Any advice on this would be helpful, especially if it would further prove that our relationship is legitimate. As it is only 2 years that we've been together.

Would there be any reason why I would not be eligible/be denied as a sponsor? ie. Tax status, low income etc? Can I use my parents to help guarantee or support me in the sponsorship?

Yes, you need to update IRCC when the child is born.

Tax status or a low income are not refusal reasons in and of themselves. If IRCC believes you will not be able to support your family without welfare, your app will be refused. You can include a letter from your parents stating that they will support you financially.

 

[akayalto1]

Yes, you need to update IRCC when the child is born.

Tax status or a low income are not refusal reasons in and of themselves. If IRCC believes you will not be able to support your family without welfare, your app will be refused. You can include a letter from your parents stating that they will support you financially.

Obviously we will update the IRCC, but will that change anything in the application? ie. speed up the process, or mean we are exempt from the 2 year PR probational period?

Also, As I am self employed, the only information that they ask for in the Sponsorship Evaluation is my income for one year, from x date to x date. However in the Questionnaire, the ask for previous employers and income....should I include my own self employed 'businesses' in this? or just when I worked and earned money from companies?

Basically, now I'm trying to look at all the steps and make sure that I haven't missed something or somehow am not eligible to sponsor my wife. Please advise. Thanks

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Obviously we will update the IRCC, but will that change anything in the application? ie. speed up the process, or mean we are exempt from the 2 year PR probational period?

Also, As I am self employed, the only information that they ask for in the Sponsorship Evaluation is my income for one year, from x date to x date. However in the Questionnaire, the ask for previous employers and income....should I include my own self employed 'businesses' in this? or just when I worked and earned money from companies?

The child will change nothing. Your app will not be processed faster and Condition 51 depends on the status of the relationship on the date the app is submitted.

Include your own businesses.

 

[akayalto1]

The child will change nothing. Your app will not be processed faster and Condition 51 depends on the status of the relationship on the date the app is submitted.

Include your own businesses.

Thank you. What does condition 51 mean? We will have been together for almost 2 years and then just married before submitting the application. Please help to clarify if you can. Thanks.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thank you. What does condition 51 mean? We will have been together for almost 2 years and then just married before submitting the application. Please help to clarify if you can. Thanks.

Condition 51 is what is listed on the COPR when a couple is subject to "the 2 year PR probational period".

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/backgrounders/2012/2012-10-26a.asp

 

[akayalto1]

Condition 51 is what is listed on the COPR when a couple is subject to "the 2 year PR probational period".

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/backgrounders/2012/2012-10-26a.asp

Oh, I think I follow. Even though we will have a child together while the application is in process, it won't change the status of our application, the application will be based on our relationship when the application was submitted. Which means that we will most likely have the two year probational period. For me that's not a problem, I was just trying to clarify and understand better. Please confirm or correct if you can, thanks.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Oh, I think I follow. Even though we will have a child together while the application is in process, it won't change the status of our application, the application will be based on our relationship when the application was submitted. Which means that we will most likely have the two year probational period. For me that's not a problem, I was just trying to clarify and understand better. Please confirm or correct if you can, thanks.

That's correct.