Soon to get Copr, can't leave dad alone, unable to decide

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

Hey guys I am not sure whether this is the right forum for me to discuss about this but if anyone has or was in the similar situation then it would be of a great help for me to make a decision. Currently my application is in process and I am expecting that I will be getting the copr in next 2 to 3 months. The medical is already completed so by the next year in March that would get expire.
The dilemma is that my father is a single parent (75 age) and he's living with us and if I will go out with my wife and a daughter in Canada he will be staying alone and I don't want to leave him here alone. I was initially thinking that I will just take the PR card once and later on I can decide what to do but eventually at the latest stage I have to make a decision. What do you suggest I should be doing. if anyone who was in the similar situation and had their own experience probably I can get some knowledge from that.

I was also thinking one we get the PR, I'll apply for supervisa but then I have to wait for a year to get NOA which is again can't afford to be away or probably a visitor Visa?

I am also not sure if the medical insurance will cover his existing illness as he is a heart patients.

Looking forward for any input to this

 

[Naturgrl]

All of you make a soft landing to get PR card. If you don't want to stay and settle then leave. Return to Canada before expiry and don't leave Canada until you can renew.

You cannot bring your father to Canada so arrange for full time care for him. If not living in Canada with income meeting LICO and NOA then not eligible. He would have to pass the medical too, and pay higher premiums for health insurance. It is not for day to day care but emergencies. For a visitor visa, he needs to show ties to return, his own funds, and strong travel history. It is for short stays less than 6 months.

Thought you had a sister who is Canada and can apply for supervisa?

 

[steaky]

How about after landing, you leave your wife and daughter in Canada and then return to take care of your dad? Your wife and daughter can go to visit you during school holidays.

Btw, if your wife is the principal applicant, then let her and your daughter go to Canada together to do the landing. You (being one of the dependents) don't have to go if you feel bad leaving your dad behind. Your wife can just sponsor you for immigration later.

 

[scylla]

Hey guys I am not sure whether this is the right forum for me to discuss about this but if anyone has or was in the similar situation then it would be of a great help for me to make a decision. Currently my application is in process and I am expecting that I will be getting the copr in next 2 to 3 months. The medical is already completed so by the next year in March that would get expire.
The dilemma is that my father is a single parent (75 age) and he's living with us and if I will go out with my wife and a daughter in Canada he will be staying alone and I don't want to leave him here alone. I was initially thinking that I will just take the PR card once and later on I can decide what to do but eventually at the latest stage I have to make a decision. What do you suggest I should be doing. if anyone who was in the similar situation and had their own experience probably I can get some knowledge from that.

I was also thinking one we get the PR, I'll apply for supervisa but then I have to wait for a year to get NOA which is again can't afford to be away or probably a visitor Visa?

I am also not sure if the medical insurance will cover his existing illness as he is a heart patients.

Looking forward for any input to this

- Insurance won't cover pre-existing conditions so you need to be prepared to pay for care out of pocket if he comes to Canada on either a TRV or super visa. This can get extremely expensive very fast (tens or even many hundreds of thousands of dollars) if he requires emergency care, hospitalization, surgery, or other high cost care. Make sure you are financially prepared to cover this. You may also find it difficult to get a specialist for him since he will only have visitor status in Canada.
- You are right that you will need to wait until you have an NOA to appy for a super visa so that is not going to be possible for quite some time.
- A visitor visa is an option but you want to be careful timing the application so that IRCC doesn't think you are trying to move your father to Canada with you on the TRV. Best option would be for the three of you to move to Canada first (without your father) and then apply for the TRV 6-8 months after you have lived in Canada.
- Perhaps the most realistic option right now is for the three of you to come to Canada and land to become PRs, then return back to your home country to care for you father. You will have up to three years to make the decision on whether to relocate to Canada or not. Do you have any other siblings?

 

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

All of you make a soft landing to get PR card. If you don't want to stay and settle then leave. Return to Canada before expiry and don't leave Canada until you can renew.

You cannot bring your father to Canada so arrange for full time care for him. If not living in Canada with income meeting LICO and NOA then not eligible. He would have to pass the medical too, and pay higher premiums for health insurance. It is not for day to day care but emergencies. For a visitor visa, he needs to show ties to return, his own funds, and strong travel history. It is for short stays less than 6 months.

Thought you had a sister who is Canada and can apply for supervisa?

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Do the required formalities and then decide later about it since currently the view isn't clear. Agreed, the only viable option to bring dad is either through supervisa/visitor visa probably. Do you have any idea about the premiums they would change, a rough idea will also help.

Additionally, isn't this possible that if I take a Visitor visa for him before landing, and during that time I extend visa from within Canada later and then probably when I have the NOA can go for applying for his Supervisa? I don't know if this is all doable or practical.

Earlier the plan was this that she is going to apply but things turned around bad and now I am no longer seeking support(something personal), so I am on my own to take care of everything.

 

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

How about after landing, you leave your wife and daughter in Canada and then return to take care of your dad? Your wife and daughter can go to visit you during school holidays.

Btw, if your wife is the principal applicant, then let her and your daughter go to Canada together to do the landing. You (being one of the dependents) don't have to go if you feel bad leaving your dad behind. Your wife can just sponsor you for immigration later.

I am the primary applicant in my case. Is it possible that I can go alone and get all the required work done? I am planning to visit for two weeks. Can you also please let me know if I have a PNP nomination then do I need to give address for the same province or any address in Canada can work?

 

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

- Insurance won't cover pre-existing conditions so you need to be prepared to pay for care out of pocket if he comes to Canada on either a TRV or super visa. This can get extremely expensive very fast (tens or even many hundreds of thousands of dollars) if he requires emergency care, hospitalization, surgery, or other high cost care. Make sure you are financially prepared to cover this. You may also find it difficult to get a specialist for him since he will only have visitor status in Canada.
- You are right that you will need to wait until you have an NOA to appy for a super visa so that is not going to be possible for quite some time.
- A visitor visa is an option but you want to be careful timing the application so that IRCC doesn't think you are trying to move your father to Canada with you on the TRV. Best option would be for the three of you to move to Canada first (without your father) and then apply for the TRV 6-8 months after you have lived in Canada.
- Perhaps the most realistic option right now is for the three of you to come to Canada and land to become PRs, then return back to your home country to care for you father. You will have up to three years to make the decision on whether to relocate to Canada or not. Do you have any other siblings?

I thought insurances cover in case of super visas or visitor.. Then how other people are getting their parents? I mean normally mostly at this age people do suffer from some of the other disease. Looking at this, I don't know then it would be a viable option even if I plan to move first without him for sometime and would it be difficult to get his routine checkups later from the specialist? Aren't there private clinics? sorry I have no info about it and asking so many questions.

 

[Naturgrl]

Yeah, I was thinking the same. Do the required formalities and then decide later about it since currently the view isn't clear. Agreed, the only viable option to bring dad is either through supervisa/visitor visa probably. Do you have any idea about the premiums they would change, a rough idea will also help.

Additionally, isn't this possible that if I take a Visitor visa for him before landing, and during that time I extend visa from within Canada later and then probably when I have the NOA can go for applying for his Supervisa? I don't know if this is all doable or practical.

Earlier the plan was this that she is going to apply but things turned around bad and now I am no longer seeking support(something personal), so I am on my own to take care of everything.

You have to contact insurance companies. Insurance is for emergency not ongoing care. Supervisa is applied for outside Canada. His biggest issue is getting a visitor visa as he has no job, no business, no ties to return and all his family is going to Canada.

What happened to your sister applying for his supervisa?

 

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

You have to contact insurance companies. Insurance is for emergency not ongoing care. Supervisa is applied for outside Canada. His biggest issue is getting a visitor visa as he has no job, no business, no ties to return and all his family is going to Canada.

What happened to your sister applying for his supervisa?

Any good insurance companies you can refer to? As I said before things with her isn't the same in terms of relation so now no more support from her

 

[steaky]

I am the primary applicant in my case. Is it possible that I can go alone and get all the required work done? I am planning to visit for two weeks. Can you also please let me know if I have a PNP nomination then do I need to give address for the same province or any address in Canada can work?

Sure, you can go alone and get your part done. But your dependents (i.e. wife and daughter) will not become PR if they don't land afterwards (before the COPR expires). The address for the same province would be ideal.

 

[steaky]

I thought insurances cover in case of super visas or visitor.. Then how other people are getting their parents? I mean normally mostly at this age people do suffer from some of the other disease. Looking at this, I don't know then it would be a viable option even if I plan to move first without him for sometime and would it be difficult to get his routine checkups later from the specialist? Aren't there private clinics? sorry I have no info about it and asking so many questions.

Yes there are private clinics but most do not perform lab test (such as blood work, x-rays). Before my MIL became PR, we waited nearly a whole day just to get her x ray done at the ER of a local hospital - as visitors do not have priorities to use the health services.

So it's more viable option if your wife and daughter move first, while you hang on with your dad.

 

[armoured]

I thought insurances cover in case of super visas or visitor.. Then how other people are getting their parents? I mean normally mostly at this age people do suffer from some of the other disease. Looking at this, I don't know then it would be a viable option even if I plan to move first without him for sometime and would it be difficult to get his routine checkups later from the specialist? Aren't there private clinics? sorry I have no info about it and asking so many questions.

It is a huge problem for many families, and in many cases it is simply not realistic - financially as well as all the other issues - to arrange for the parents to move to Canada (or at least for more than visits). Particularly if there are health issues (which is the case for many at that age, of course).

While you are still in home country, it would make sense to make arrangements for the care, place to live and overall life of the parent to remain there. In a lot of countries it is far cheaper to provide for proper care than in Canada - especially if the parent won't be eligible for most things like health care, old age support etc (usually the case if they've not lived in Canada before retirement).

 

[CandaVisaAsspirant]

Sure, you can go alone and get your part done. But your dependents (i.e. wife and daughter) will not become PR if they don't land afterwards (before the COPR expires). The address for the same province would be ideal.

Yea then it's better that we all do a soft landing. But if I don't have any address how will I give them, either it would be friends or relatives, isn't it?

 

[steaky]

Yea then it's better that we all do a soft landing. But if I don't have any address how will I give them, either it would be friends or relatives, isn't it?

correct. And then you will have up to three years to make the decision on whether to relocate to Canada or not.

 

[armoured]

correct. And then you will have up to three years to make the decision on whether to relocate to Canada or not.

While I agree with this - a warning: one of the biggest issues we see here that come up with those who do soft landings like this, consistently, is that they wait until, say, 2.5/3 years before moving to Canada, and then - life interferes. They can't come before third anniversary, they have a job that requires a lot of travel, kids' school issues, whatever. And then being close to the limit of time outside Canada for residency obligation starts to cause problems.

Strongly recommend putting a strong target to move to Canada after only two years abroad, and to plan for no later than that. Then if it turns out to be a serious issue at the two year mark, there is still flexibility to move things around somewhat.