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September 2022 Spousal Sponsorship OUTLAND (Paper/Online)

lenuxii

Star Member
Jan 24, 2023
119
61
Application Submitted: September 21, 2022
AOR: November 29, 2022
Biometrics Request: December 13, 2022
Sponsor Approval: December 14, 2022
Medical Request: December 15, 2022
Medical Completed: December 22, 2022
E-Medical Submitted by Physician to IRCC: January 6, 2023
Medical Passed on IRCC Portal: January 9, 2023
Biometrics Scheduled and set to ‘Completed’ on IRCC Portal: January 9, 2023

Background, Eligibility and Final Decision are in Process...
 

joconstantine

Hero Member
Mar 30, 2020
657
555
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
Pre-Assessed..
Yes
AOR Received.
01-08-2020
Hi All
Any one with similar progress /timelines?
Application submitted: Sept 9 2022
AOR : Nov 8 2022
No update since Nov 2022
Outland Online
PA : India
Sponsor: In Canada
Also: I was able to link the PA application to PR tracker, but I can't find the PA application in GC key, tried all possible combinations :(
A lot of people (including me) made a mistake of excluding the sponsor when asked for the number of "family members". In our case, there are only my husband (PA) and me (the sponsor), and I had to key in 2 instead of 1. I hope this would work for you as well.
 
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joconstantine

Hero Member
Mar 30, 2020
657
555
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
Pre-Assessed..
Yes
AOR Received.
01-08-2020
Application Submitted: September 21, 2022
AOR: November 29, 2022
Biometrics Request: December 13, 2022
Sponsor Approval: December 14, 2022
Medical Request: December 15, 2022
Medical Completed: December 22, 2022
E-Medical Submitted by Physician to IRCC: January 6, 2023
Medical Passed on IRCC Portal: January 9, 2023
Biometrics Scheduled and set to ‘Completed’ on IRCC Portal: January 9, 2023

Background, Eligibility and Final Decision are in Process...
Great timeline. My tracker has stopped updating since AOR. I received the MR through GCKey.
 

smtele

Hero Member
Apr 30, 2015
242
30
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
2173
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
AOR Received.
27-12-2015
Passport Req..
05-06-2016
LANDED..........
29-06-2016
A lot of people (including me) made a mistake of excluding the sponsor when asked for the number of "family members". In our case, there are only my husband (PA) and me (the sponsor), and I had to key in 2 instead of 1. I hope this would work for you as well.
This is great advice, worked for me too!
 

mingdong

Member
Jan 4, 2023
14
27
To: "Roumeliotis.Eugenia" <Eugenia.Roumeliotis@cic.gc.ca>
Cc: Barbara Jo Caruso <Caruso@cilf.ca>, "Fox.Christiane" <Christiane.Fox@cic.gc.ca>, "Minister / Ministre (IRCC)" <IRCC.Minister-Ministre.IRCC@cic.gc.ca>, "sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca" <sean.fraser@parl.gc.ca>, "Radchenko_Olga" <Olga.Radchenko@cic.gc.ca>, "Jones.Murray (he, him | il, lui)" <Murray.Jones@cic.gc.ca>, "Nicholson.Kyle" <Kyle.Nicholson@cic.gc.ca>, delhi@international.gc.ca, spore@international.gc.ca, infocentre-manila@international.gc.ca, steven.meurrens@larlee.com, mlundy@globeandmail.com
Dear Roumeliotis

Thank you for your email. I have not received a response from the unit responsible for outland spousal app intake. While waiting for that to somehow happen one day, I would like to bring up two concerns whilst, I understand, that your Department may be looking at options to facilitate temporary entry into Canada for spouses/partners with outland PR in process. The two issues include interpretation and respect for the Minister's delivery update by your overseas staff and offices, and the second issue is the continued delay in AOR and inconsistency in processing outland apps, that I haven't seen improvement. Please spare some time to review the below.

The first issue is the interpretation of dual intent by different officers. The chart below shows a remarkable high refusal rate for TRV for this group - at below 50%. Most cases were refused on the basis that the officers did not believe the persons will leave Canada by the end of authorized stay because they are in a marital relationship with Canadians. Despite the program delivery was updated in Oct 2020, looking at the data in 2021, officers continued to have serious bias against this group of applicants. I would blame the Minister's Office for not taking this issue seriously - making the update only as a program delivery update on Dual Intent, and leaving the bias an open option for your officers, as well as a communication issue to make sure staff respect and comply. Let's go back to the very basic logic of humanity: what's wrong when people in love want to spend time and support each other? The Canadian visa system long ago, used to have a special visa category for fiance but that had been scrapped - then in absence of such an option, the system should promote and make family reunification for your own citizens a smooth and easy process, not the other way around. The USA immigration system has a temporary visa stream called K1, which allows foreign nationals to come into the USA and get married with their partner within 3 months of arrival. Fact check: post-covid, USA, Australia and UK were all pretty quick in picking up the processing capacity for immigration and only Canada still struggles with backlog and has a system designed to discriminate spouses/partners of your fellow Canadians/PRs - whether you want to accept or deny this statement, the numbers and facts are there! This is a big national shame. Canadians get freak out when they choose to love and marry someone from outside Canada because they will face a process that is biased, lengthy, unpredictable and inconsistent across similar streams and visa offices. What can you do to address these? We talk about annual target of 500k new PRs every year now, we talk about issuing Work Permits to a various streams of spouses/partners of temporary residents yet Canada continues to make it an endless nightmare for spouses/partners of Canadians even their only wish could be just a visitor visa to be able to spend time in Canada. Please have a proper analysis and communication to your visa offices and stop this practice because not only is it unfair, and logically wrong, it is also inhumane.



The second issue is still the challenges for outland spouses intake. Your Department said in the previous emails that it is taking 10 weeks for this stream to receive AOR. The time of 10 weeks itself I think needs a lot of improvement, let alone inconsistency. We are talking about 10 weeks of the file unopened and just sit there in your portal untouched. TRV applications are auto-screened by the portal, get AOR issuance in a matter of hours. Inland spousal apps get AOR within days. Then why can't the process be improved for outland spousal apps? You link this to the issue of a high TRV rejection rate and you will see why families and Canadians go crazy about your system and why media keeps reporting on what many refer to as systemic discrimination. I personally dont think it has anything to do with discrimination, however, this is happening because it appears nobody at the Ministerial level has cared and understood the problems enough - or even if they did, no concrete and sincere actions were done to fix, leaving Canadians and families continue to suffer hopelessly.

Here, again, is my ask, on behalf of Canadians who are waiting to be united with their spouses/partners/dependent children overseas:

1. Please publicize a visa policy to facilitate TRV entry for outland spouses immediately. Why immediately? Because this has been a controversial issue for years, raised by so many stakeholders and at the IRCC, acknowledged by the Department, thrown in the Minister's mandate letter since December 2021. After over two years of no action, it should be done out of immediate respect for Canadians and affected families. In parallel, communicate and monitor oversea visa offices on rejections. Globe and Mail recently revealed the Department's plan to waive eligibility for half a million visitor visa caseload in an effort to clear TRV backlog - no reasons if you can do such an ambitious plan for regular visitors, many of whom have no connections to Canada, but can't afford the same to family members of Canadian citizens.

2. Please continue to work with the outland spousal intake unit at CPC-Sydney. Sorry to be frank but please don't get offended if not true - your officers, many of whom are new hires with junior professional working experience and I imagine quite a few are working remotely, are not doing a very good job in screening intake for outland spousal apps. The AOR/bio letters for outland must continue to improve significantly to the level that is similar to inland, that is within a week or two of online submission, not 10 weeks plus. The unit is still working on files submitted early November and it has exceeded 10 weeks standard - please speak to the managers of the unit for real reports and not oral statements.

Lastly, I appreciate your well intended communications. The issues I share with you have been real and seriously damage your department's reputation and I hope you continue to work amongst yourselves at the Minister Office to fix them.

Best
BB
 

Dhaval27

Star Member
Jun 24, 2016
97
2
India
Category........
Visa Office......
halifax nova scotia
NOC Code......
6235
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
29-07-2015
Hi All
Any one with similar progress /timelines?
Application submitted: Sept 9 2022
AOR : Nov 8 2022
No update since Nov 2022
Outland Online
PA : India
Sponsor: In Canada
Also: I was able to link the PA application to PR tracker, but I can't find the PA application in GC key, tried all possible combinations :(
How were you able to register in PR tracker, I was able to link in GC Key but not register in PR tracker.
 

lenuxii

Star Member
Jan 24, 2023
119
61
Great timeline. My tracker has stopped updating since AOR. I received the MR through GCKey.
Mine too! I don't have any updates on my PR portal and it's still stuck with biometrics and medical not requested. But, I've already done those. IRCC GCKey portal is so much more up to date for me.
 

SLCtoYEG

Hero Member
Oct 1, 2021
230
80
Category........
FAM
Mine too! I don't have any updates on my PR portal and it's still stuck with biometrics and medical not requested. But, I've already done those. IRCC GCKey portal is so much more up to date for me.
Mine too. The Tracker hasn't been updated since December 12, 2022. After that my husband received and completed the medical and biometrics requests, both of which state he passed on GCKey. Unless you applied on paper, ECAS is useless but regardless, why are there so many trackers? And once we actually get into and link our app in the GCKey, does that make the Tracker null and void? Is that why it isn't being updated? This government department really needs to get their poop in a group.
 
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pac555

Member
Dec 21, 2022
10
10
Mine too. The Tracker hasn't been updated since December 12, 2022. After that my husband received and completed the medical and biometrics requests, both of which state he passed on GCKey. Unless you applied on paper, ECAS is useless but regardless, why are there so many trackers? And once we actually get into and link our app in the GCKey, does that make the Tracker null and void? Is that why it isn't being updated? This government department really needs to get their poop in a group.
Mine too !!
 

joconstantine

Hero Member
Mar 30, 2020
657
555
Category........
FSW
NOC Code......
0213
Pre-Assessed..
Yes
AOR Received.
01-08-2020
Mine too. The Tracker hasn't been updated since December 12, 2022. After that my husband received and completed the medical and biometrics requests, both of which state he passed on GCKey. Unless you applied on paper, ECAS is useless but regardless, why are there so many trackers? And once we actually get into and link our app in the GCKey, does that make the Tracker null and void? Is that why it isn't being updated? This government department really needs to get their poop in a group.
Yes, exactly. From a an IT developer's perspectives, probably their data sync-up job failed and they were not able to rectify it. The applications might have been distributed to various places for processing. And each place might have its own document management system. Syncing all the updates into one place might not be an optimal design.
If you notice, the tracker page automatically logs you out if you refresh the page. This is definitely a bug because the session is not even maintained. Someone must tell IRCC that this is a serious website, not some student's school project. LOL

Side talk, but I wonder why IRCC kept coming many URLs that just don't make sense
https://prt-srp.apps.cic.gc.ca/en/login
https://prson-srpel.apps.cic.gc.ca/en/login
https://portal-portail.apps.cic.gc.ca/signin?lang=en

Hahaha.
 

Parn

Full Member
Jan 28, 2023
32
8
Outland spousal sponsorship
application submitted: Sept 13, 2022
AOR- November 29, 2022
Medical request December 08, 2022
Biometrics- Exempt
Medical done- December 12, 2022
Sponsorship Approval December 15, 2022
Medical passed December 27, 2022
No updates after wards
PR tracker has no update since November 30, 2022

What are the next steps and how long it will take now? Any body with the same timeline?
 

Grewal1322

Star Member
Dec 19, 2020
159
19
Application submitted on 20 sept
Application accepted. 3 oct
Medical and biometric 18 Jan
Sponsor approval. 18 Jan
Biometric done. 20 Jan
Medical done. 20 Jan

no update after this let’s see how much time they will take to pass medical and how much time they will take after this
 

Aliasoufan

Star Member
Aug 19, 2020
195
70
I have more or less similar timelines - i think we are all in the same phase between having the medical exam done and waiting for next steps… my outland application was submitted on aug 31 2022, AOR received nov 23 2022, SA dec 1, medical request dec 8, medical done dec 10.

goodluck all!
 
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Tintin and Snowy

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Feb 2, 2021
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I have more or less similar timelines - i think we are all in the same phase between having the medical exam done and waiting for next steps… my outland application was submitted on aug 31 2022, AOR received nov 23 2022, SA dec 1, medical request dec 8, medical done dec 10.

goodluck all!
Similar time line as yours and waiting to hear from them. Do you mind sharing your visa office? best,