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RQ under new rules

2016citizen

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hi All,

Did anyone get an RQ so far under the new rules ? Just wanted to know what kind of documents they are requesting with the new rules since they already have tax docs from the applicants and the number of days is more. Please share your experiences.

Thanks
2016applicant
 

dpenabill

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2016citizen said:
hi All,

Did anyone get an RQ so far under the new rules ? Just wanted to know what kind of documents they are requesting with the new rules since they already have tax docs from the applicants and the number of days is more. Please share your experiences.

Thanks
2016applicant
It is still too early for there to be a significant number of applicants getting RQ who applied under the new provisions which took effect June 11, 2015.

Indeed, the total number of applicants who have applied since June 11, 2015 is almost certainly quite low, certainly way lower than for a comparable period in previous years.

The proportionate number of applicants RQ'd is also likely to go down for applicants under the new provisions given the hard-and-fast minimum presence requirements, and given that none will be relying on credit for pre-landing time in Canada.

The only reason for RQ in the future will be explicitly, directly, based on a reason-to-question the applicant's accounting of days present.

All that said, the RQ itself will probably look very similar to the current version, with perhaps some revisions to reflect specific differences, such as to reporting periods, tax filings, and such. But mostly what is relevant information will be the same: proof of place of abode, employment or other activities, property ownership (including any abroad), record of use of medical insurance (doctor's visits), and some additional financial records reflecting a life lived in Canada.
 

dpenabill

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Technically it may be correct to observe there will not be "RQ" under the new provisions, since "RQ" means "Residency Questionnaire" and the new provisions have a physical presence requirement (technically two physical presence requirements), NOT a residency requirement.

However, this is, as it is oft said, largely a distinction without a difference.

The IRCC will undoubtedly question the declared physical presence of some applicants, and while the style of the form may be revised to reflect that it is a Physical Presence Questionnaire, or bear some other designation, it will most likely continue to be much the same as the current RQ, except as already noted, that is to the extent it references the relevant time period, tax filings, and such. It might additionally more specifically request information and documentation about ties abroad, including property ownership abroad in addition to any employment or business outside Canada.

The extent to which IRCC can verify declared travel dates has increased significantly in recent years, and this should help discourage PRs from attempting to fudge the numbers, reducing the need for these kinds of questionnaires, on one hand, and help improve the government's efficiency in scrutinizing most applicants.

The new law, however, explicitly provides for CJ referrals for those cases in which the Citizenship Officer is not satisfied regarding subsections 5.(1)(c)(i) or 5.(1)(c)(ii) . . . these are, respectively, the 4/6 requirement (5.(1)(c)(i) in the Citizenship Act) and the 183 days X 4 Calendar Year requirement (5.(1)(c)(ii) in the Citizenship Act). Whatever the form is called, it will most likely be comparable to the existing CIT 0171, the "RQ."
 

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While it is true that the new law has nothing to do with residency anymore, only physical presence, it may still be the case that evidence of residency, as requested in the current RQ, helps to show the required physical presence in cases where there is a question about declared absences. Thus, a "Residency Questionnaire," in whatever redesigned format, might still be given in certain cases.
 

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It is still too early for there to be a significant number of applicants getting RQ who applied under the new provisions which took effect June 11, 2015.

Indeed, the total number of applicants who have applied since June 11, 2015 is almost certainly quite low, certainly way lower than for a comparable period in previous years.

The proportionate number of applicants RQ'd is also likely to go down for applicants under the new provisions given the hard-and-fast minimum presence requirements, and given that none will be relying on credit for pre-landing time in Canada.

The only reason for RQ in the future will be explicitly, directly, based on a reason-to-question the applicant's accounting of days present.

All that said, the RQ itself will probably look very similar to the current version, with perhaps some revisions to reflect specific differences, such as to reporting periods, tax filings, and such. But mostly what is relevant information will be the same: proof of place of abode, employment or other activities, property ownership (including any abroad), record of use of medical insurance (doctor's visits), and some additional financial records reflecting a life lived in Canada.
You forgot to mention the new business channels with CRA and CBSA that provide CIC with accurate information on the applicant's residence.
 

dpenabill

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You forgot to mention the new business channels with CRA and CBSA that provide CIC with accurate information on the applicant's residence.
Not sure why you say I forgot to mention this. I did not mention this, sure, but this does not mean that IRCC will no longer be issuing RQ (as "RQ" or otherwise labelled).

Again, even if the name of the form changes, there will undoubtedly be cases in which IRCC requests residency related information and documentation, either RQ or very comparable to RQ.

This is despite, as I noted, the following:
[quote author=dpenabill]The extent to which IRCC can verify declared travel dates has increased significantly in recent years, and this should help discourage PRs from attempting to fudge the numbers, reducing the need for these kinds of questionnaires, on one hand, and help improve the government's efficiency in scrutinizing most applicants.[/quote]

For example, there will still be cases in which the applicant for citizenship has lost a relevant passport, and IRCC is very likely to issue such an applicant RQ or something roughly equivalent to RQ . . . despite the fact that IRCC has increasing capacity to verify the applicant's information.
 

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I expect that RQ will be reduced to the minimum in the new rule, due to "Intention to Live in Canada" provision.
Most of the RQ receivers in the old rule, didn't meet the "Intention to Live in Canada", or considered potential "citizens of convenience", but it was not possible to deny their citizenship applications, so the RQ was a way to delay them as much as possible.
Under the new rule these applicants can be denied without the need to the RQ.

I believe there will be some applicants who will receive RQ, if they are not able to prove their residency, but again the number is expected to be relatively low.
 

dpenabill

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walmzd said:
I expect that RQ will be reduced to the minimum in the new rule, due to "Intention to Live in Canada" provision.
Most of the RQ receivers in the old rule, didn't meet the "Intention to Live in Canada", or considered potential "citizens of convenience", but it was not possible to deny their citizenship applications, so the RQ was a way to delay them as much as possible.
Under the new rule these applicants can be denied without the need to the RQ.

I believe there will be some applicants who will receive RQ, if they are not able to prove their residency, but again the number is expected to be relatively low.
Removing the intent to reside requirement, however, is one of the things that the Liberals said they would do during their campaign, and in the mandate letter from PM Trudeau to Minister McCallum as well.

If and when that happens, that might result in an increase number of applications being made by some who are on their way home or to the U.S. or otherwise abroad.

But I agree, so long as this requirement is in place it is likely to curtail applications in many scenarios which led to more contested RQs in the past (like applicants who obtained a U.S. Green Card while a PR; applicants more literally applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport, and so on), which, by the way, are distinguishable from the flood of RQs issued in 2012 and 2013, a large portion of which were issued based on technical criteria which was excessively overly broad.

It warrants noting, though, that the roots for many of the RQ triggers were initially formulated while the Liberals formed the government before Harper's first term as PM, an Operational Bulletin which was incorporated into the Operational Manual CP 5 Residence (which preceded OB 407 and current PDIs) and which specified a list of criteria as reasons-to-question-residency, that criteria included indications of extended absences while the application was pending. That is, the Liberals also were targeting applicants the government suspected of applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport before this became a particularly big priority for the Conservatives (under Kenney and Alexander at CIC).

Overall, a strict physical presence requirement alone should dramatically trim the number of residency cases, but there will still be residency cases, even though they might be more specifically described as physical presence cases going forward, those cases in which IRCC is not satisfied the applicant has met the physical presence requirements specified in subsections 5.1(c)(i) (4/6 rule) and 5.1(c)(ii) (183 X 4CY rule) of the Citizenship Act, for which a questionnaire very similar to the current CIT 0171 Residence Questionnaire will be issued.
 

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There are three very recent Federal Court decisions reflecting the kinds of cases which will still involve the equivalent of a Residence Questionnaire under the new requirements (4/6 years, and 183 days X 4 CY, physical presence requirements).

These are, of course, cases decided under the old law (it is likely to be a long time before we see any Federal Court decisions applying the new 4/6 rule), but in all three cases the applicants applied based on meeting the actual physical presence threshold. One of these cases involves a CJ decision applying the Koo criteria, but the applicant had, nonetheless, declared more than 1095 days of actual presence.

These are all cases in which the Minister appealed. As I have discussed in other topics, the overwhelming majority (almost all actually) citizenship decisions by the Federal Court now involve appeals by the Minister. There is no reason to think that applicants have ceased filing appeals (historically the number of appeals by applicants was, typically, more than the number by the Minister). The difference is that the Minister is entitled to review as a matter of right. Applicants are not. Obviously many applicants are seeking review but not being given leave to appeal.

The Minister won all three of these appeals. That is, the CJ's decision was set aside in all three cases.

One of the cases is straight-forward, that involving MAHER BACCOUCHE, a decision by Justice LeBlanc. And it makes sense, given that the applicant barely met the APP threshold, declaring 1098 days APP, and the evidence of presence over a significant portion of the relevant time period was "thin," virtually no trace of his presence in Canada during the first half of the relevant period.

Whether the minimum presence is 4 years or 3 years, however, this scenario is bound to occur, as many applicants will make their application very soon after reaching the minimum threshold, among whom IRCC is likely to see reason to question the applicant's accounting of days present, and some of these will not have, or otherwise fail to submit, objective documentation (a paper trail) sufficient to prove their actual presence for all those days declared.

There are two take-aways which are similar to what I have stated, in various topics and in various ways, before:
-- wait to apply with a significant margin over the minimum
-- time making the application relative to individual circumstances to avoid lack-of-proof pitfalls

The first of these is obvious and reiterated by many participants in this and other forums.

The second is not so obvious nor so easy calculate, but what it amounts to is simple common sense: be aware that IRCC can request objective documentation to show address, work, school, and other activities, and presence in general, and if for some reason it might be difficult to submit that evidence, take that into account when deciding it is time to apply for citizenship.

In any event, even under the 4/6 rule, there will continue to be applicants who apply with little margin, in circumstances triggering IRCC's concerns, and who have compromised ability to document their presence over the relevant time period. Those will be RQ cases, or Physical-presence-cases, going forward.




The case involving MINOU SHARMA, decided by Justice Fothergill is not so straight-forward, since the CJ applied the Koo criteria notwithstanding the applicant's initial declaration of presence for 1,392 days during the relevant time period, and attendant responding to RQ declared presence for 1,356 days (absences for 89 days and 125 days respectively). Way over the minimum 1095 days threshold of actual physical presence required.

In addition to being a credibility case (given the discrepancies in the applicant's accounting of absences, and there were other inconsistencies), this was a lost passport case. Lost passport cases are bound to continue to occur in the future.



The case that piqued my concern however is the VIRON QARRI decision by Justice Kane, which is another case in which the applicant applied with, purportedly, a very substantial margin: 1,310 days present.

This too is a lost passport case. Lost passport cases invariably (but not always) run into difficulty and commonly encounter CIC's opposition to the grant of citizenship. Will IRCC, under McCallum's reign as Minister, similarly approach these cases as did CIC under Finley, Kenney, and Alexander? I cannot say, but the absence of travel documents is still likely to at least trigger elevated scrutiny.

There are credibility issues, the missing passport, and a scarcity of evidence to document addresses, activities, or other indicia of presence in Canada for significant portions of the relevant time.

What bugs me some about this case is the somewhat artificial reasons for negative inferences and inconsistencies in both the Citizenship Officer's analysis and the Federal Court's analysis in justifying a finding that the CJ's analysis was inconsistent and unreasonable.

As for what, to my view, seemed to be artificial concerns, for example, the Federal Court focuses on the absence of an entry stamp for a trip to Cuba, and concludes, because of this, the dates of the trip could not be verified. But that does not suggest there is actually any reason to doubt the applicant's declared dates for that trip, for which, by the way, both his passport and the CBSA travel history confirmed the date of return to Canada.

Similarly as to two trips to Albania. Again, the return dates are confirmed by the ICES report (CBSA travel history). What is missing is merely stamps in the passport to confirm entry dates into Albania. And again, my question is so what? Is there any indication that he went to Albania (or anywhere else) prior to the date that he declared he left Canada on those occasions?

But the larger inconsistency is the Federal Court's focus on the period of time between August 16, 2006 and March 30, 2007, a period for which the applicant did not present a passport.

Some simple facts and arithmetic:
-- the number of days between these dates is 226
-- the number of days CIC erroneously calculated to be between these dates was 246
-- the applicant declared absences during this period of time, totaling at least 37 days
-- thus, if that entire period of time is excluded, the applicant's declaration otherwise would still exceed 1095 days, at least adding up to 1,121 days (1,310 minus 189 days for the 226 days in the period, recognizing that at least 37 days in this time period were declared as absent)

Apparently the CJ did not conclude precisely how many days the applicant had been physically present in Canada, but concluded based on the evidence that the applicant "meets the residency requirement on a balance of probabilities."
And the CJ did so despite the erroneous information submitted to the CJ by CIC (such as that the number of days in that time period in question was 246 . . . an obvious error which CIC continued to advocate before the Federal Court).

Justice Kane states: "It is not possible to speculate and to determine if the Citizenship Judge would have reached the same finding if this significant gap had been considered . . ." but Justice Kane does not explain how deducting even this entire period of time from the defendant's declared presence would affect the CJ's decision that the applicant met the presence requirement, since such a deduction would still have left the applicant with more than 1095 days of presence in Canada.

This is really a credibility case, and the doubts as to the applicant's presence go beyond that period of time between August 2006 and March 2007. But the CJ had taken testimony from the applicant and made a finding that the applicant was credible.

I go into this detail because these kinds of cases will continue to arise under the 4/6 rule, and perhaps be even more common because given the longer period of time there is likely to be a greater incidence of lost or stolen passports, and more gaps in the records the applicants have. After all, six years is as long as CRA suggests keeping records (which is longer than other taxing agencies in many countries, including the U.S.) and that is only for documents related to income and deductions, not all employment, home address, and other records which are requested when RQ is imposed.

Some of us learned to keep extensive records before we became PRs. Many immigrants, however, are not aware of the extent to which they might be required to submit objective documentation when they apply for citizenship. CIC has never even so much as suggested, in its communications to new immigrants, that they should retain exact records of the precise date they travel outside Canada. Even day trips must now be reported. Over the last several years I have seen scores of people report being stumped when they finally decide to apply for citizenship and discover they are required to document, by specifying the precise dates, every time they left and returned to Canada.

In contrast to the usual focus of attention regarding urging the government to change this or that rule, restore credit for pre-landing time, or remove the intent to reside requirement, or go back to the 3/4 rule, to my view it would be far more beneficial for the government to more fully and clearly communicate to new immigrants what the requirements for citizenship are and what sort of records and documents the immigrant should keep to support his application for citizenship.
 

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One thing to note, under the new law not only is there a minimum physical presence requirement for the entire period in question--there is also a minimum requirement within each of the 4 years--which means an applicant might have a nice cushion of days overall, but may be right on the edge in one or more of the four years. How liberal IRCC will be in such cases is anyone's guess.