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Returning after 2 years 11 months with job

pitra426

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Jan 1, 2016
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Hi All,

I landed in Toronto on 1st Feb ,2017 as FSW PR,stayed for 1week and then returned to my job (joined in 15th Aug,2016) in Singapore.I got my PR card using a friend's address.

I plan to move permanently on 30th Dec,2019 and would be transferring internally to my employer's Montreal office.I would land at Montreal directly.

Based on the landing date,I need to stay for 24 months before end-Jan,2022 to retain PR.

A lot of questions that are troubling me:

1.Would I even be allowed to enter Canada or lose my PR or get reported given the above scenario?

2.Should I inform CIC that I have an offer to work in MTL as I am a PR under FSW?

3.Would I be better off looking for other job offers outside Canada in case I am not allowed to enter or get reported?

Thanks for your kind help.
SR
 

canuck_in_uk

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Hi All,

I landed in Toronto on 1st Feb ,2017 as FSW PR,stayed for 1week and then returned to my job (joined in 15th Aug,2016) in Singapore.I got my PR card using a friend's address.

I plan to move permanently on 30th Dec,2019 and would be transferring internally to my employer's Montreal office.I would land at Montreal directly.

Based on the landing date,I need to stay for 24 months before end-Jan,2022 to retain PR.

A lot of questions that are troubling me:

1.Would I even be allowed to enter Canada or lose my PR or get reported given the above scenario?

2.Should I inform CIC that I have an offer to work in MTL as I am a PR under FSW?

3.Would I be better off looking for other job offers outside Canada in case I am not allowed to enter or get reported?

Thanks for your kind help.
SR
1 and 3. You will be allowed to enter. You will not be reported.

2. No. IRCC doesn't care.
 
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dpenabill

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Additional observations:

I landed in Toronto on 1st Feb ,2017 . . .
There is NO POSSIBLE PR Residency Obligation compliance issue until February 1, 2020. No matter how much you have been in Canada or outside Canada, until the third year anniversary of the date of landing (for you that is February 1, 2020), there are still enough days left in the first five year time frame to meet the PR RO. That is enough to be in compliance.

After the third year anniversary of the date of landing, RO compliance becomes an issue of fact depending on how many days the PR has so far been IN Canada and how many days remain until the fifth year anniversary (days the PR could be IN Canada in the future before the 5th year anniversary of landing).

But for the PR who is still within the first five years of landing, the easier way to calculate this is simply counting days outside Canada since landing, and so long as the total number of days outside Canada is less than 1095, the PR is in compliance with the RO; conversely, as soon as such a PR is outside Canada more than 1095 (or perhaps 1096 due to a leap year), the PR is in breach of the RO (and that is as of the date the PR exceeded the 1095 days, no matter how long the PR card is valid).

Obviously you are cutting-it-close. If you delay your return to February or later, it will become obvious that you have been outside Canada more than three years since last being in Canada. In such circumstances there is no need to count days. A three year plus absence is a clear breach of the RO. (PoE officers appear to be lenient and not Report some PRs, during the first five years, unless and until the breach of the RO is more blatant than just missing the cutoff by a little, but once the new PR has been outside Canada more than three years since landing, that is a breach and there is a real risk of being Reported.)
 

Saudamini

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Hi All,

I landed in Toronto on 1st Feb ,2017 as FSW PR,stayed for 1week and then returned to my job (joined in 15th Aug,2016) in Singapore.I got my PR card using a friend's address.

I plan to move permanently on 30th Dec,2019 and would be transferring internally to my employer's Montreal office.I would land at Montreal directly.

Based on the landing date,I need to stay for 24 months before end-Jan,2022 to retain PR.

A lot of questions that are troubling me:

1.Would I even be allowed to enter Canada or lose my PR or get reported given the above scenario?

2.Should I inform CIC that I have an offer to work in MTL as I am a PR under FSW?

3.Would I be better off looking for other job offers outside Canada in case I am not allowed to enter or get reported?

Thanks for your kind help.
SR
I had similar query, however, I stayed in Canada for 2 months in 2 years 3 Months time. I believe you will be fine
 
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Jonasin

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I had similar query, however, I stayed in Canada for 2 months in 2 years 3 Months time. I believe you will be fine
You have been outside Canada for almost 2 years ? could you share your returning back experience please ? do we need to show money as first time we landed ? is there any special question asked ? I made soft landing on Novembre 2019 and will be back in February with a total time of 14 months outside
 

Saudamini

Star Member
Mar 31, 2017
141
37
Mumbai
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
0124
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-12-2016
Doc's Request.
Not Needed
Nomination.....
FSW, Not PNP
AOR Received.
02-12-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
File Transfer...
07-02-2017
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
28-11-2016
Interview........
Not Needed
Passport Req..
13-04-2017
VISA ISSUED...
21-04-2017
LANDED..........
Soon :)
You have been outside Canada for almost 2 years ? could you share your returning back experience please ? do we need to show money as first time we landed ? is there any special question asked ? I made soft landing on Novembre 2019 and will be back in February with a total time of 14 months outside
I will return back in Jan 2020
 
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Saudamini

Star Member
Mar 31, 2017
141
37
Mumbai
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
0124
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-12-2016
Doc's Request.
Not Needed
Nomination.....
FSW, Not PNP
AOR Received.
02-12-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
File Transfer...
07-02-2017
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
28-11-2016
Interview........
Not Needed
Passport Req..
13-04-2017
VISA ISSUED...
21-04-2017
LANDED..........
Soon :)
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pitra426

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Jan 1, 2016
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Thank you to everyone for writing back with your valuable points-gives me some hope.Hope I am able to return without any problems and start work.
 
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Saudamini

Star Member
Mar 31, 2017
141
37
Mumbai
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
0124
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
02-12-2016
Doc's Request.
Not Needed
Nomination.....
FSW, Not PNP
AOR Received.
02-12-2016
IELTS Request
Upfront
File Transfer...
07-02-2017
Med's Request
Upfront
Med's Done....
28-11-2016
Interview........
Not Needed
Passport Req..
13-04-2017
VISA ISSUED...
21-04-2017
LANDED..........
Soon :)
Thank you to everyone for writing back with your valuable points-gives me some hope.Hope I am able to return without any problems and start work.
Could you share your experience on Dec 31 / Jan 1 Please!
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Would encourage others to return earlier. We see lots of people running into problems when there is a family emergency and returned back very close to the 3 year mark. The close call when it comes to RO can also have a negative effect on employment opportunities if you are unable to do any international travel for your job.
 
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Jonasin

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Jan 15, 2019
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Thank you to everyone for writing back with your valuable points-gives me some hope.Hope I am able to return without any problems and start work.
I believe everyhing will be fine with you.
Could you please let us know when you are back and provide us with the feedback?
Thanks
 

pitra426

Full Member
Jan 1, 2016
30
3
Hello All,

First of all,Happy New Year 2020 to everyone. Hope everyone realizes their full potential & acheive their good genuine goals in 2020..

As promised, below is my return landing experience on 30th Dec at MTL after being out of Canada since Feb-2017.
Would read like a story -apologies for that with a further cry for help towards the end of the post.

-Note that I was not given a Declaration card by the airline staff unlike in Feb-2017 when I landed in Toronto.Unsure when this started or if this is unique to MTL.
-Walked with the crowd to the arrivals section one level down.
-Multiple self-service machines here for the customs declaration-you would be guided by the staff to queue up to use these, depending on the crowd & the availability (keep your PR card ready).Front portion of card should face you when you place it on the top LHS corner of the scanner
-Questions around whether food is brought in,goods to follow,cash more than 10K CAD etc.
-Machine would take photo (remove spectacles)-my most horrible photo after 21 hours of traveling
-CBSA Officers at the end of each row of machines to talk to next. Most likely,PRs would be asked to follow the line with the Yellow direction indicator.Was asked preferred language to converse in.
-No questions on why I am landing close to 3 years mark,but I invariably led him to ask that when I said I have goods to follow-was planning to send 1 suitcase with personal effects through mover or bring along with me the next time.
Note that when I did initial landing,just carried 1 suitcase and said no goods to follow.Officer at that time did not collect BS-186 (accompanying goods list).
-The officer now started asking me abt the value,content of goods following.I offered to show hm the detailed list. He then looked at the PR card and said I am returning close to 3 years since becoming PR.He then typed something and made 2 lines on the card and asked me to collect my baggage.He said another colleague will decide after reviewing further.
-Collected 2 suitcases and stood in one of the 3 lines to Customs-office looked at my card and pointed me to 'secondary inspection' area.
-Stood 1st in the line (just another person after me) of a large hall with many officers,mostly idle.I could see some officers going through someone's luggage.Now,I was getting worried -more due to having to repack the luggage again rather than about the contents themselves.
-A lady officer called me over-I handed over the declaration card,PR card and passport.Was asked similar questions as before-content & value of goods to follow.She then asked about when the goods accompanying & goods to follow were acquired-before or after 2017.
90% were genuinely old stuff except for a few shirts and winter clothing and I mentioned that.
She looked at the PR card & mentioned that I have been a PR since 2017 and am returning after close to 3 years.She mentioned about the $800 allowance that Canadians have for new goods and that above that tax is payable. I explained what happened when I landed in Toronto.She said nevetheless it doesn't make sense to hand the lists now.Made a quip about me being a Canadian now & following laws. She said that in a non-aggressive but polite & in a matter of fact way. She said everytime I land I could just come in & explain to the officers like I did to her now and then let me off.

-So, here is my problem-both times I landed I spent a lot of time preparing the goods accompanying/to follow lists & never managed to hand them over or get them sealed.
-I never intended to flout the laws willingly,but am worried if this is going to be a problem going forward-even for entering Canada and potentially when applying for new PR card or citizenship.
 

canuck78

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Jun 18, 2017
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Hello All,

First of all,Happy New Year 2020 to everyone. Hope everyone realizes their full potential & acheive their good genuine goals in 2020..

As promised, below is my return landing experience on 30th Dec at MTL after being out of Canada since Feb-2017.
Would read like a story -apologies for that with a further cry for help towards the end of the post.

-Note that I was not given a Declaration card by the airline staff unlike in Feb-2017 when I landed in Toronto.Unsure when this started or if this is unique to MTL.
-Walked with the crowd to the arrivals section one level down.
-Multiple self-service machines here for the customs declaration-you would be guided by the staff to queue up to use these, depending on the crowd & the availability (keep your PR card ready).Front portion of card should face you when you place it on the top LHS corner of the scanner
-Questions around whether food is brought in,goods to follow,cash more than 10K CAD etc.
-Machine would take photo (remove spectacles)-my most horrible photo after 21 hours of traveling
-CBSA Officers at the end of each row of machines to talk to next. Most likely,PRs would be asked to follow the line with the Yellow direction indicator.Was asked preferred language to converse in.
-No questions on why I am landing close to 3 years mark,but I invariably led him to ask that when I said I have goods to follow-was planning to send 1 suitcase with personal effects through mover or bring along with me the next time.
Note that when I did initial landing,just carried 1 suitcase and said no goods to follow.Officer at that time did not collect BS-186 (accompanying goods list).
-The officer now started asking me abt the value,content of goods following.I offered to show hm the detailed list. He then looked at the PR card and said I am returning close to 3 years since becoming PR.He then typed something and made 2 lines on the card and asked me to collect my baggage.He said another colleague will decide after reviewing further.
-Collected 2 suitcases and stood in one of the 3 lines to Customs-office looked at my card and pointed me to 'secondary inspection' area.
-Stood 1st in the line (just another person after me) of a large hall with many officers,mostly idle.I could see some officers going through someone's luggage.Now,I was getting worried -more due to having to repack the luggage again rather than about the contents themselves.
-A lady officer called me over-I handed over the declaration card,PR card and passport.Was asked similar questions as before-content & value of goods to follow.She then asked about when the goods accompanying & goods to follow were acquired-before or after 2017.
90% were genuinely old stuff except for a few shirts and winter clothing and I mentioned that.
She looked at the PR card & mentioned that I have been a PR since 2017 and am returning after close to 3 years.She mentioned about the $800 allowance that Canadians have for new goods and that above that tax is payable. I explained what happened when I landed in Toronto.She said nevetheless it doesn't make sense to hand the lists now.Made a quip about me being a Canadian now & following laws. She said that in a non-aggressive but polite & in a matter of fact way. She said everytime I land I could just come in & explain to the officers like I did to her now and then let me off.

-So, here is my problem-both times I landed I spent a lot of time preparing the goods accompanying/to follow lists & never managed to hand them over or get them sealed.
-I never intended to flout the laws willingly,but am worried if this is going to be a problem going forward-even for entering Canada and potentially when applying for new PR card or citizenship.
Now that your file may have been flagged would make sure you meet your RO. Some forget that there may be things like business travel involved with their jobs so you may have to warn your future employer about your inability to do extensive travel.