It was still valid.Wondering did you enter YUL with expired or valid PR card ?
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It was still valid.Wondering did you enter YUL with expired or valid PR card ?
It's very easy to verify your status in Canada, just submit your TRV or eTA application right now and you will get your answer in several weeks or instantly...To answer some comments, I don't think the flight ticket is good enough or just looking at the log of flight passengers, otherwise why would they need to send a CBSA officer.
I asked the CBSA officer just before leaving when I will be able to travel back to Canada as a tourist, if I should observe some delay, wait for the confirmation of my loss of residency (since I did not sign anything) and the answer I got was I could come back tomorrow if I decided to... which I find weird (I guess assuming my PR card is still valid or I can get an ETA).
Anyway my main concern is not to travel back to Canada soon but to avoid any escalation with Canada immigration due to my loss of residence and maybe that someone forgot to make me sign some paper. When I arrived at the airport, I phoned CBSA to tell them I was leaving and gave them my flight number, boarding time,etc. and the person replied ok we'll send someone for you to sign paper.
Also when I re-checked the paper I had signed on arrival acknowledging that I did not meet the PR obligations and that a removal order was issued against me, it states that the removal order will become a deportation order if no certificate of departure is emitted within the specified period (translated from French).
Anyway, I'll try to reach them tomorrow to confirm that it is normal and might try the ATIP request just in case (thanks Ponga I did not know that you could request as a citizen or permanent resident the personal information the government has on you).
I'll keep you posted if I have new information that might be helpful for other people that ended up in the same situation (I don't think we are many).
The suggestion by @bricksonly is somewhat on point, EXCEPT as to the timing . . . that is, the time to make the eTA application is NOT right now BUT, rather, at least thirty plus some days AFTER the date the Removal Order was issued.Anyway, I'll try to reach them tomorrow to confirm that it is normal and might try the ATIP request just in case . . .
An eTA application made before 31 days has passed, since the Removal Order was issued will confirm status, but in this situation that will confirm that @bengalister is a Canadian (a Canadian PR) and not eligible for eTA. (Since the Removal Order is not effective yet, you continue to have PR status until it takes effect.)It's very easy to verify your status in Canada, just submit your TRV or eTA application right now and you will get your answer in several weeks or instantly...
Consider the question: "Not good enough for what?"To answer some comments, I don't think the flight ticket is good enough or just looking at the log of flight passengers, otherwise why would they need to send a CBSA officer.
This goes back to the fact the Removal Order is NOT in effect for thirty days. Reminder:I asked the CBSA officer just before leaving when I will be able to travel back to Canada as a tourist, if I should observe some delay, wait for the confirmation of my loss of residency (since I did not sign anything) and the answer I got was I could come back tomorrow if I decided to... which I find weird (I guess assuming my PR card is still valid or I can get an ETA).
Given that you only recently tried to return as a PR to see if you could move without being reported there could be concerns that you are trying to come back to live in Canada. You are applying for a TRV very soon after losing your PR. Working in a country for 4 years and paying taxes for 4 years doesn’t guarantee anyone admission to a country. Unless you are a billionaire assume you didn’t spend significant amounts of money in Canada. You may have to wait for a period of time before being able to visit Canada. Did you gain PR twice and lose it twice? If that is the case it would be even more understandable to be concerned that you are trying to come back to Canada and regain PR.Well to give an update, some people might be interested, it is not going well.
So left Canada 11 days after I was given a removal order for not meeting my RO since I did not want to appeal. I left at YUL, notified the border agents that I was leaving, one showed up at the gate just before I boarded and told me that I did not have any paper to sign since I was leaving before 30 days and I could still appeal. I think it was a mistake on the border agent's part and did not seem to know exactly what to do...
After 40 days I tried to apply for an ETA to come back as a tourist and visit friends (next summer). And after a few days I received an email that my ETA had been forwarded to a local mission for study... After 20 days without answers I filled a form to ask for a status and they replied the same.
Now I am worried that it will be a nightmare to get an ETA to come back as a tourist if I am not denied eventually. I am really annoyed, I played by the rules well except for the RO, even worked 4 years in Canada paid taxes, 12 years ago, no criminal records, spent a lot of money there and like the country and its people but it looks like it will be a forever goodbye.
yes that is the case.Given that you only recently tried to return as a PR to see if you could move without being reported there could be concerns that you are trying to come back to live in Canada. You are applying for a TRV very soon after losing your PR. Working in a country for 4 years and paying taxes for 4 years doesn’t guarantee anyone admission to a country. Unless you are a billionaire assume you didn’t spend significant amounts of money in Canada. You may have to wait for a period of time before being able to visit Canada. Did you gain PR twice and lose it twice? If that is the case it would be even more understandable to be concerned that you are trying to come back to Canada and regain PR.
You were subject to a removal order and left only a month and a half ago, and then applied for ETA? That is going to look a bit odd, in my view would have made sense to wait a bit longer, but only a guess.I did not ask for a Temporary Resident Visa I only applied for an Electronic Travel Authorization to visit Canada as a tourist and not to stay. I guess and hope it is only a matter of patience.
You may have to wait for a period of time before being able to visit Canada. Did you gain PR twice and lose it twice? If that is the case it would be even more understandable to be concerned that you are trying to come back to Canada and regain PR.
I agree to the extent you are questioning why there should be any concern about you coming to Canada to stay or regain PR.But not sure to understand your last comment.
Might be too soon.You were subject to a removal order and left only a month and a half ago, and then applied for ETA? That is going to look a bit odd, in my view would have made sense to wait a bit longer, but only a guess.
Just give it time. Even though you 'followed all the rules', it did go as far as a removal order, that inevitably sets flags in the system to not grant you things automatically. The ETA authorizations these days are probably 95% plus done by computer checks, and most of the rest are (probably) false positives etc. They just don't devote a lot of staff to dealing with ones like yours that actually require time from a live human (most of whom are now on strike).
The fact that you didn’t meet the RO relinquished your PR status and then applied again and didn’t meet your RO again just reinforces that you aren’t committed to living in Canada. If one loses PR status and applies again most are anxious to come to Canada and settle or else they wouldn’t have applied again. A person’s immigration history does factor into H&C considerations although it isn’t everything. The fact that you had essentially visited Canada like a tourist during while you were a PR was the major issue.yes that is the case.
But not sure to understand your last comment. I applied a second time for a PR but followed the full process again from scratch and got it 5 years ago.
The first time I lost it, I showed that I accepted the decision and left the country. Why it would be different the 2nd time ? especially since I already left and there is no way to regain PR I cannot appeal any more. And anyway I cannot apply for permanent residency anymore I am too old and my work experience in Canada was more than 10 years ago.
I did not ask for a Temporary Resident Visa I only applied for an Electronic Travel Authorization to visit Canada as a tourist and not to stay. I guess and hope it is only a matter of patience.