Relationship evidence/proofs: how far should we go?

[fandv]

Hi everyone...

Just wondering:

1. Two of the forms: IMM 1344 and IMM 0008 must be validated, and they generate a barcode. But what if there's extra information that we need to write/type on a separate piece of paper? Surely the extra information won't be included within the barcode.

Hopefully the CIC officer is clever enough to realise there might be some information that's not entered electronically?


2. Some forms ask for really detailed information....for example this one:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5490E.PDF

Question 11 asks the exact date on which the sponsor (me) met the friends and family of the sponsored person (my future) wife. But come on......I think it's silly that they ask for the exact dates....??! I do remember the date on which I met the relatives of my future wife for the very first time.

But I don't remember the date on which I met her friends for the very first time..........I mean, not everyone remembers such an obscure detail...!
Do you think the CIC will accept if I just write the month and year, without the exact date?

 

[parker24]

Hi everyone...

Just wondering:

1. Two of the forms: IMM 1344 and IMM 0008 must be validated, and they generate a barcode. But what if there's extra information that we need to write/type on a separate piece of paper? Surely the extra information won't be included within the barcode.

Hopefully the CIC officer is clever enough to realise there might be some information that's not entered electronically?

I put my extra paper right behind the form it is extra for so when they flip through, it's right there.


2. Some forms ask for really detailed information....for example this one:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5490E.PDF

Question 11 asks the exact date on which the sponsor (me) met the friends and family of the sponsored person (my future) wife. But come on......I think it's silly that they ask for the exact dates....??! I do remember the date on which I met the relatives of my future wife for the very first time.

But I don't remember the date on which I met her friends for the very first time..........I mean, not everyone remembers such an obscure detail...!
Do you think the CIC will accept if I just write the month and year, without the exact date?

Try to pinpoint a date. I couldn't think of the actual date either but I remembered the week and just tried to pinpoint what DAY it was (usually a Sunday).

 

[Isometry]

If you're not sure of a date like that, just put your best guess. It's not like they have a way of CHECKING when you met your (future) wife's college roommate's boyfriend or whatever. You can also add a note saying that it's approximate.

 

[Midwest]

I've read some people send up to 16 lbs of relationship proof. Our own package was only 3.6 pounds. Do you, guys, think it's too little?
We live together and we included:
1. Some copies of boarding passes and tickets (as much as we could save in 3 years), receipts and etc.
2. Couple of EOBs (explanation of benefits) which show that I'm under my husband's insurance plan and we live together (mailing address).
3. Copy of a car insurance card (both our names are there).
4. Pictures in a chronological order (75-80).
5. Two wedding certificates (Non religious wedding ceremony and a year later we had a religious one).
6. A letter from my husband's best friend and a letter from my brother-in-law (stated that they know us and we hang out together).
7. Copies of our apartment lease (with both our names there).
8. Letters from Chase and RBC banks stated that we have joint accounts.
9. Print screen of our emails (about 40 pages or 60 letters).
10. Letters from my husband and me about our relationship.

However, my hubby is still concern that it is not enough proof.

BTW, our package arrived to Mississauga two hours ago!

 

[KJG]

I've read some people send up to 16 lbs of relationship proof. Our own package was only 3.6 pounds. Do you, guys, think it's too little?
We live together and we included:
1. Some copies of boarding passes and tickets (as much as we could save in 3 years), receipts and etc.
2. Couple of EOBs (explanation of benefits) which show that I'm under my husband's insurance plan and we live together (mailing address).
3. Copy of a car insurance card (both our names are there).
4. Pictures in a chronological order (75-80).
5. Two wedding certificates (Non religious wedding ceremony and a year later we had a religious one).
6. A letter from my husband's best friend and a letter from my brother-in-law (stated that they know us and we hang out together).
7. Copies of our apartment lease (with both our names there).
8. Letters from Chase and RBC banks stated that we have joint accounts.
9. Print screen of our emails (about 40 pages or 60 letters).
10. Letters from my husband and me about our relationship.

However, my hubby is still concern that it is not enough proof.

BTW, our package arrived to Mississauga two hours ago!

I think it is really up to your individual case and what VO you are applying through.....my application was quite large

 

[rachiy]

I think this is fine. I haven't weighed mine yet, (but will before I mail it on friday), and it is probably around the same amount.
The reason IMO, that others get such a huge amount is due to pages and pages of phone records, chat logs, and skype records being printed to prove they are staying in regular contact with their partner while they are physically separated, and have done so for many months/years.
As a married couple you already have less to prove than common law or conjugal, plus as you are living together you can hardly document your pillow talk or chats over dinner.
I live with my common-law partner and have joint lease, bank accounts, beneficiaries on insurance policies and bank accounts etc. I am not too concerned with our relatively small (compared to what others have said they submitted) stack of emails and phone records, as why would we email and text each other all day when we both have busy jobs and we can just talk in person at home at the end of the day.
Don't worry about it - you need quality not quantity.

 

[Midwest]

I think it is really up to your individual case and what VO you are applying through.....my application was quite large

Our visa office will be somewhere in USA (Ottawa will decide it). What additional did you include in your application? I could've printed more emails. But why? We have about 2500 emails. We sent 2-3 emails from each month.

 

[Midwest]

Don't worry about it - you need quality not quantity.

Thank you! This was exactly my point!

 

[parker24]

I've read some people send up to 16 lbs of relationship proof. Our own package was only 3.6 pounds. Do you, guys, think it's too little?
We live together and we included:
1. Some copies of boarding passes and tickets (as much as we could save in 3 years), receipts and etc.
2. Couple of EOBs (explanation of benefits) which show that I'm under my husband's insurance plan and we live together (mailing address).
3. Copy of a car insurance card (both our names are there).
4. Pictures in a chronological order (75-80).
5. Two wedding certificates (Non religious wedding ceremony and a year later we had a religious one).
6. A letter from my husband's best friend and a letter from my brother-in-law (stated that they know us and we hang out together).
7. Copies of our apartment lease (with both our names there).
8. Letters from Chase and RBC banks stated that we have joint accounts.
9. Print screen of our emails (about 40 pages or 60 letters).
10. Letters from my husband and me about our relationship.

However, my hubby is still concern that it is not enough proof.

BTW, our package arrived to Mississauga two hours ago!

Sounds similar to mine. Mine was only 5.2ish pounds. You're good, as long as you feel you have covered your relationship!

 

[fandv]

Sounds similar to mine. Mine was only 5.2ish pounds. You're good, as long as you feel you have covered your relationship!

1. I'm planning to submit the MSN chat logs between me and my fianceé (and later on, future wife). We chat literally everyday, since the day we met (online). By the time we get married, we will have known each other for 2 years.

What's the best way to submit the chat logs, without having to print thousands of pages then? Do I just pick 1 or 2 days out of every month? That seems so little.......

What's the consensus here...? For chat logs, how many days out of a given month, do you guys submit??



2. I don't know whether this is a huge deal, but the thing is, I am blessed that my employer allows me to work from home. The nature of my job (IT) is such that it can be done entirely over the net, which is why it enables me and my colleagues to work from home. Working from home gives me a bit more freedom, because then I can chat with my fianceé without worrying if any colleagues or the boss might peek into my screen (don't get me wrong....I do get my jobs done. In fact I'm one of the top employees in my company!)

So because the chat logs have timestamps, the CIC might mistakenly assume "wait a minute...this guy chats during working hours. Yet in the application he says that he does have a job. Is he lying about having a job? May be he doesn't have a job afterall, because if he did, he wouldn't be able to chat!"

What do you guys think...?! Am I really overanalysing, or should I be concerned about this?

 

[Fencesitter]

No worries about the time stamps...what do you think most of CIC is doing during their working hours? Some weeks it appears as though all they do is chat online...this past week they have been working really hard, so I assume there must be a problem with their internet connection.

They won't care about when the chats took place, only the content...

FS

 

[KJG]

No worries about the time stamps...what do you think most of CIC is doing during their working hours? Some weeks it appears as though all they do is chat online...this past week they have been working really hard, so I assume there must be a problem with their internet connection.

They won't care about when the chats took place, only the content...

FS

Too funny.....well Ottawa is definitely outshining Mississauga that is for sure........maybe that is it.....a little competition never hurt anyone!!!!

 

[frankinto]

I am sponsoring my American spouse; our application arrived in Mississauga this morning. Because he was initially inadmissible, we had to overcome that first, and it took six years before we could get married... so I included evidence of our relationship over almost 7 years. I kept every single email we have ever exchanged, so I included a large sample of those (a few messages per month), plus my Vonage records over the past 3 years, evidence of financial assistance and gifts, pics, and everything else they ask for. It may be too much, but it will leave no doubt that our relationship is genuine - which is the whole point.

 

[KJG]

I am sponsoring my American spouse; our application arrived in Mississauga this morning. Because he was initially inadmissible, we had to overcome that first, and it took six years before we could get married... so I included evidence of our relationship over almost 7 years. I kept every single email we have ever exchanged, so I included a large sample of those (a few messages per month), plus my Vonage records over the past 3 years, evidence of financial assistance and gifts, pics, and everything else they ask for. It may be too much, but it will leave no doubt that our relationship is genuine - which is the whole point.

no your are right.....IMO better to have too much than not enough...especially since it is all based on evidence......

 

[fandv]

Hi everyone

As a reminder, I'm a Canadian citizen, who is getting married to an Indonesian citizen near the end of this year. This is our first marriage, and we have never had any children. After the wedding, I will be sponsoring her to Canada.

Some more questions:

1. Generic Application form for Canada:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM0008ENU_2D.pdf

For question 3, "How many family members, including you, are in this application", should she put 1 (herself)? See, the CIC want that any family members (even if NOT accompanying the principal applicant to Canada) be included in the application form.

And my future wife has her mother and brother (her father is deceased), but I am not sure whether they should be included in the application? (Just to clarify, her mother and brother are not going to Canada).

In other words, when the CIC say "You must provide the following details about each of your family members, whether they will be accompanying to Canada or not", what do they mean by "family members"? Does it include the parent(s) and sibling(s) of the principal applicant?


2. "Additional Dependants / Declaration":
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM0008DEPENU.pdf

Since my future wife has no children, and her mother and brother are not coming to Canada, does she even have to include this form? If she decided to include the form and write "Not Applicable" in all of the fields, will she have to sign it?


3. Additional Family Information:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/kits/forms/IMM5406E.PDF

Does she have to write the details about her father, mother and brother, even though they're not joining her to Canada?

Thanks!!

*Confused*