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US1876

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Hi Everyone

I got a rejection from CIC yesterday. My AOR date was October 14th, so I was right around the 150 day mark. The rejection happened due to a recalculated drop in CRS score. When I created my EE profile in May of 2015, I put in all of my job experience (though I only claimed two years of job experience in one code) and had estimated the number of hours ( I put in 30 on average) I put in at my second job (a different occupation code, which I had held for less that a year). It was going to be under a year anyway, so I didn't think it mattered as far as CRS score, etc. I was just trying to be thorough. My CRS score was calculated to be 456. I initially got an ITA in July, but declined because of the time it took to receive the FBI ( I lie in the US) criminal background check. I then (in late August) got a ghost email from CIC and logged in to realize that my CRS score had been automatically recalculated to (I believe, can't quite remember) 481. I didn't think anything of it at the time- I just assumed that CIC had changed something. I then got another ITA on September 8th, when the cutoff was 463 points.

I got this listed as the notification from the case officer as the reasoning for refusal:

In your invitation letter, you were attributed 50 points for Skill Transferability-Foreign Work Experience based on the information you provided to us in your Express Entry Profile. However,the hours that you claimed to have worked do not match the hours indicated in your reference letters. You claimed to have worked 30 hours per week at the University of XXXX in NOC XXX from 2014/08 to application lock-in date. However, the reference letter that you provided indicates 20 hours per week. In addition, you claimed to have worked 30 hours per week at XXXXX in NOC XXXX from 2011/08 to 2013/03, while your reference letter indicates 26 hours per week. When your foreign work experience is recalculated, you are no longer attributed points for 3 years or more of foreign work experience. As a result, your CRS score has dropped below the pass mark for your round of invitations.

I hadn't even realized it, but they had recalculated my CRS score automatically when I passed the one year mark at the University, and since 30 hours counts as full time in Canada, I was credited another year, giving me three years of experience instead of two. This is what had upped my CRS score. Since my CRS score is in actuality 456, I didn't make the 463 cutoff for my round of invitations.

It's quite frustrating that this error wasn't caught by myself or the immigration personnel sooner (I looked back, and it looks as though I could have replied several times with a score of 456 since then). Ugh. Ironically, if I don't get an invitation in the next 7 weeks, the same thing will happen. I will have passed 3+ years (hours-wise) at my primary NOC code then.

This leads to my main questions. For those who have successfully created a new EE profile and gotten a new ITA, did you just resubmit most of your old paperwork, or did you get updated copies of everything? I am going to get updated copies of the one job that I have continued to work since then, as well as an updated copy of the letter from my bank. I will probably (unless there is a miracle and I get and ITA before March 23) have to get new medicals too, since they want those to have at least 6 months before they expire and I had my originals done on September 23. Is there an expiration date for the FBI criminal check? Will I have to get a new one of those as well? What about letters from the other jobs? One I left in 2013, and one I left last November. They are both dated from last September.

Thanks everyone for your help!
 
Sorry to hear about your refusal.

1. You can resubmit most of your old paperwork. Except that medicals and PCC for the country of current residence (doesn't apply if that country is Canada) must not be older than 6 months at the time of submission.

2. Updated copies of reference letter to claim work experience acquired AFTER submission of previous application and updated copy of bank letter should suffice.

3. If you don't currently live in the US and you haven't been there since the time you got your FBI report, you don't need a new report.

4. Letter from that 2013 job would work. Letter from that other job would vouch for your experience only till Sep '15 - you'll lose points (if any) for the months of Oct and Nov '15.
 
So how do they calculate 1 year of full-time work? Is it 52 weeks * 30 hours? If yes, what about paid vacation days?
 
why CIC takes so long to give rejection based on point calculation, this should be first step. Applicants wait 5 month, just to get refusal reason based on eligibility ?.
 
This is very scary. Ever since I read this I checked, double-checked and checked again the contents of all my reference letters. To inform a user after 5 months is extremely frustrating.
 
Thanks for the supportive comments everyone. I acknowledge that it was partly my fault- I should have investigated the bump in the CRS score and realized the implications of my initial estimation. However, I do feel that it should have been handled with greater expediency. One would think that verifying a qualifying CRS score would by one of the first steps in checking the validity of an application.

Asivad, you stated that police certificates and medical results cannot be more than six months old at the time of application. My medicals were done on September 23rd, and my FBI police certificate was generated on Sept. 30th. I live in and am a citizen of the US, so that is the only police check I should need. Does this mean that they are valid until March 23rd (medicals) and March 30th (police certificate)? If I get another ITA before those dates (probably not likely) am I clear to use the former results? I think I might apply for a new FBI PCC right away tomorrow, since they take a notoriously long time to process. Has anyone had success submitting an application without the PCC but with an LOE explaining that it is in process, or are those immediately rejected as incomplete?

Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the rejected application should be addressed via an LOE on the new application, or it this unnecessary?
 
US1876 said:
Thanks for the supportive comments everyone. I acknowledge that it was partly my fault- I should have investigated the bump in the CRS score and realized the implications of my initial estimation. However, I do feel that it should have been handled with greater expediency. One would think that verifying a qualifying CRS score would by one of the first steps in checking the validity of an application.

Asivad, you stated that police certificates and medical results cannot be more than six months old at the time of application. My medicals were done on September 23rd, and my FBI police certificate was generated on Sept. 30th. I live in and am a citizen of the US, so that is the only police check I should need. Does this mean that they are valid until March 23rd (medicals) and March 30th (police certificate)? If I get another ITA before those dates (probably not likely) am I clear to use the former results? I think I might apply for a new FBI PCC right away tomorrow, since they take a notoriously long time to process. Has anyone had success submitting an application without the PCC but with an LOE explaining that it is in process, or are those immediately rejected as incomplete?

Does anyone have an opinion as to whether the rejected application should be addressed via an LOE on the new application, or it this unnecessary?

1. Apply for an FBI report right away if you have a score below 460. Unless you get an ITA soon AND are able to submit your post ITA application by March 30th, you're going to need a fresh FBI report.

2. As for medicals, try and get an appointment for 24th March itself if you have a 460+ score.

3. You can submit an initial application without FBI report and include evidence of having applied for the same along with an LoE requesting for an extension to receive and submit the report. In such cases, IRCC is known to be supportive and provide up to 60 days of extension later in the process.

4. When you create another EE profile, you'll be asked for previous refusals. Answer Yes and mention your UCI. You'll also get a Schedule A request and you can add in a 1 line explanation for this refusal there as well.

All the best!
 
Thank you so much for all of your help! I hope the people that read this can keep themselves from making a similar mistake. I do have two more questions I'd like some opinions on (I swear, that'll be it- just trying to make sure I do absolutely everything right this time)

1. The first time I filled out my EE profile, I included all of my jobs over the past few years, even the ones that I did not work for very long/have many hours in. I know they do not count in the CRS points calculation, because they are from different NOC codes and none are equivalent to a year's work. I was just trying to disclose everything. Is it necessary to do this in the EE profile, or should I just report the employment that qualifies me for the FSW program? I did, of course, report those and submit letters for them in the actual application and will do so again.

2. I have had two jobs in the same NOC code, and I understand that both can be combined to reach the requisite hours. One of them was my primary position (I worked 26 hrs/week for almost 2 years) and the other was a consulting gig for a small non profit. My hours varied, but I put in about 5 hours a week. I'm now working for them full time (have been since November) and my hours still vary. When I do the math, I now have averaged about 10 hours a week over the past 3 years. My question is this- since I should reference my previous application in the new EE profile, there will obviously be a link between the two. I'd like to have my current employer rewrite the letter with the hours revision. Will the discrepancy in average number of hours per week between the two applications raise a red flag?
 
US1876 said:
Thank you so much for all of your help! I hope the people that read this can keep themselves from making a similar mistake. I do have two more questions I'd like some opinions on (I swear, that'll be it- just trying to make sure I do absolutely everything right this time)

1. The first time I filled out my EE profile, I included all of my jobs over the past few years, even the ones that I did not work for very long/have many hours in. I know they do not count in the CRS points calculation, because they are from different NOC codes and none are equivalent to a year's work. I was just trying to disclose everything. Is it necessary to do this in the EE profile, or should I just report the employment that qualifies me for the FSW program? I did, of course, report those and submit letters for them in the actual application and will do so again.

Any work experience that doesn't contribute towards program eligibility and/or CRS points can be safely removed from Work history section.

2. I have had two jobs in the same NOC code, and I understand that both can be combined to reach the requisite hours. One of them was my primary position (I worked 26 hrs/week for almost 2 years) and the other was a consulting gig for a small non profit. My hours varied, but I put in about 5 hours a week. I'm now working for them full time (have been since November) and my hours still vary. When I do the math, I now have averaged about 10 hours a week over the past 3 years. My question is this- since I should reference my previous application in the new EE profile, there will obviously be a link between the two. I'd like to have my current employer rewrite the letter with the hours revision. Will the discrepancy in average number of hours per week between the two applications raise a red flag?

No. Only the reference letter submitted along with this application matter.