Refocusing Express Entry new changes long term and current situation

[Saskatchewan_Regina]

What does this mean then

Rounds of invitations will be held as needed to meet annual levels targets.

 

[bestofluck]

What does this mean then

There is no significance of number of draws. They can make as many draws, it is all on number of ITA. The target is met from number of ITAs and not number of draws. And it is very easy for them to say the remaining applications will be processed in 2017 !!!!

 

[bestofluck]

Not unless he is using IE

he means to say he is able to open google page in 2 mins !! IF babies are born through google one day !!!!

okay jokes apart we all wish there are maximum number of draws and everyone gets nominated by December and gets accommodated.

 

[Alexios07]

You make a similar point to the one I made in another thread when talking about the numbers in the current EE pool and its composition:

The bottom line for me is that, taking into account the changes that have been introduced and the fact that since the pre-EE backlog has been reducing, ITAs have shot up to record levels, there is no way that CRS score isn't going to come plummeting down. I genuinely believe that we'll see ITAs issued to those around the CRS 400 level in a matter of perhaps only 6 months. It sounds like a crazy statement to make, but we're just not used to seeing ITAs around the 2000-2500 level. If that becomes the new norm and the average CRS score decreases, as it will now that LMIAs are worth only 50 (making the max score for most of us 650 instead of 1200), there will be a significant lowering of required CRS, it's inevitable.

If the cutoff score will dip down to 400, IRCC wouldn't need to implement any changes at all, except for the LMIA program. I believe with at least five or ten thousands of CEC applicants now receive extra 30 points. The average score of the pool will be increased significantly.

 

[betty44]

BC requires job offer

ontario and NS are closed

manitoba and SK require connection to the province.

NB requires one to assit one of their immigration sessions.

dont really see how the rest of us are going to make it next year.

unless there is a significant change in the way those pnps operate. future is really dark for those below 450.

points are not going to drop.

 

[Elrud]

BC requires job offer

ontario and NS are closed

manitoba and SK require connection to the province.

NB requires one to assit one of their immigration sessions.

dont really see how the rest of us are going to make it next year.

unless there is a significant change in the way those pnps operate. future is really dark for those below 450.

points are not going to drop.

But not all students will get max 30 anyway.

 

[betty44]

But not all students will get max 30 anyway.

alex is right.

If the cutoff score will dip down to 400, IRCC wouldn't need to implement any changes at all, except for the LMIA program. I believe with at least five or ten thousands of CEC applicants now receive extra 30 points. The average score of the pool will be increased significantly.

think about it.

 

[newbutterfly]

Go and read they have specifically said 15-25 draws.

Invitation to Apply Timing
Rounds of invitations will be held as needed to meet annual levels targets.
Initial expectations are that rounds of invitations will occur regularly throughout the year with approximately 15 to 25 taking place overall.
It should be noted that the timing and the number of candidates invited in each round of invitations may vary, allowing CIC to take into account fluctuations in the labour market or the number of candidates in the pool etc.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/employers/express-entry-presentation-briefing.asp

Pay attention to the bolded.

 

[Elrud]

alex is right.

If the cutoff score will dip down to 400, IRCC wouldn't need to implement any changes at all, except for the LMIA program. I believe with at least five or ten thousands of CEC applicants now receive extra 30 points. The average score of the pool will be increased significantly.

think about it.

In the 400 range will become competitive in that 5-10 points would make a significant difference in order to receive ITA.

But I've read somewhere, perhaps in the slide, that majority of international students have score as from the range 360.

 

[Alexios07]

But not all students will get max 30 anyway.

15 is still more than enough.

• Young undergrad with Diploma degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 9 can easily score 413 crs points, now plus 15 points will push them up to 430 pts. Remember, that is just with one year Canadian work experience. With 3-year PGWP, a capable CEC applicant can easily get 453 CRS points with just a Diploma degree (two years Canadian work exp).
• Similarly, a CEC applicant with a Bachelor degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 8 can now have 445 CRS points, if he/she can push the English skill to CLB 9, the CRS would be increased to 465.

According to IRCC, there are at least 300,000 international students here in Canada. Now, let's assume a minimal 10% of those international students are able to graduate and got a degree, we now have 30,000 prospective CEC applicants. Assume only 10% of those 30,000 CEC applicants will be able to find a legit job, get Canadian degree and CLB 8, we still have 3,000 active CEC applicants with at least 445 CRS points in the pool after Nov 19th. Remember, this is not a constant number, as everyday passes, people will gain more work experience and better English skills.

In the 400 range will become competitive in that 5-10 points would make a significant difference in order to receive ITA.

But I've read somewhere, perhaps in the slide, that majority of international students have score as from the range 360.

360 are for those without a job (will be 390 after Nov 19th). Without an eligible job and Canadian work exp, they are not allowed in the CEC stream, so when we are talking about CEC applicants, we are referring to those with legit Canadian degree, legit job and work experience whose CRS will usually be around 445 CRS (after Nov 19th). Therefore, I personally don't see how cut off score can go as low as 400.

 

[Pushpaacna]

15 is still more than enough.

• Young undergrad with Diploma degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 9 can easily score 413 crs points, now plus 15 points will push them up to 430 pts. Remember, that is just with one year Canadian work experience. With 3-year PGWP, a capable CEC applicant can easily get 453 CRS points with just a Diploma degree (two years Canadian work exp).
• Similarly, a CEC applicant with a Bachelor degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 8 can now have 445 CRS points, if he/she can push the English skill to CLB 9, the CRS would be increased to 465.

According to IRCC, there are at least 300,000 international students here in Canada. Now, let's assume a minimal 10% of those international students are able to graduate and got a degree, we now have 30,000 prospective CEC applicants. Assume only 10% of those 30,000 CEC applicants will be able to find a legit job, get Canadian degree and CLB 8, we still have 3,000 active CEC applicants with at least 445 CRS points in the pool after Nov 19th. Remember, this is not a constant number, as everyday passes, people will gain more work experience and better English skills.

360 are for those without a job (will be 390 after Nov 19th). Without an eligible job and Canadian work exp, they are not allowed in the CEC stream, so when we are talking about CEC applicants, we are referring to those with legit Canadian degree, legit job and work experience whose CRS will usually be around 445 CRS (after Nov 19th). Therefore, I personally don't see how cut off score can go as low as 400.

Then what are your predictions about where CRS for direct ITA might settle in the medium (about 6 months) to long (about a year) terms?

 

[fatani]

15 is still more than enough.

• Young undergrad with Diploma degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 9 can easily score 413 crs points, now plus 15 points will push them up to 430 pts. Remember, that is just with one year Canadian work experience. With 3-year PGWP, a capable CEC applicant can easily get 453 CRS points with just a Diploma degree (two years Canadian work exp).
• Similarly, a CEC applicant with a Bachelor degree, 1 year Canadian work exp and CLB 8 can now have 445 CRS points, if he/she can push the English skill to CLB 9, the CRS would be increased to 465.

According to IRCC, there are at least 300,000 international students here in Canada. Now, let's assume a minimal 10% of those international students are able to graduate and got a degree, we now have 30,000 prospective CEC applicants. Assume only 10% of those 30,000 CEC applicants will be able to find a legit job, get Canadian degree and CLB 8, we still have 3,000 active CEC applicants with at least 445 CRS points in the pool after Nov 19th. Remember, this is not a constant number, as everyday passes, people will gain more work experience and better English skills.

360 are for those without a job (will be 390 after Nov 19th). Without an eligible job and Canadian work exp, they are not allowed in the CEC stream, so when we are talking about CEC applicants, we are referring to those with legit Canadian degree, legit job and work experience whose CRS will usually be around 445 CRS (after Nov 19th). Therefore, I personally don't see how cut off score can go as low as 400.

As somebody mentioned in another thread that most students come from china and it is hard to acheive CLB 9 for them. Even anyone who is not native english or french is hard to acheive CLB 9 and students were not happy with only 30 points that means that they are below the level that you pointed out. Yes I agree many will be on 445 but I dont think that would 25-30% of students out of 100. And you can read the report which I have posted it is clearly mentioned that after 1st year of EE stakeholders are worried that the scores have not gone below and this is the thing to improve on.

So they know the situation of the pool better than us. And know that how many bonus points for studies and how many decrease in LMIA points will reduce the scores. They could have easily given 50-100 points but they know that it will not bring cut off score low. They have all the things in front that how many are. And if they dont wanted to reduce the cut off they would have easily said in the report that EE is going great all stake holders are happy the scores are competitive blah blah.

 

[lohithmohan]

Hey guys.

Can someone quickly explain if the new changes to the EE system is beneficial for people above 450 range? I mean, my score is 456 and the only possible way I can really increase it is with another year of outside work experience (apart from learning french or studying in Canada of course).

Thanks

 

[thourb]

Hey guys.

Can someone quickly explain if the new changes to the EE system is beneficial for people above 450 range? I mean, my score is 456 and the only possible way I can really increase it is with another year of outside work experience (apart from learning french or studying in Canada of course).

Thanks

The changes are definitely beneficial to those with CRS above 450.

There seem, to me, to have been two major goals that CIC wanted to achieve when making these changes. Firstly, they wanted to make international students more competitive. Secondly, they wanted to put a bigger emphasis on human capital, rather than job offers. The two major changes - removing 550 points from most LMIA holders and giving students between 15-30 points have done just that. Those with high CRS (which would naturally include international students) are going to have a much better chance.

What most people seem to be failing to see here is that what we define as "high human capital" is rapidly changing. Since EE came in and ITAs sat at around 1000-1500 most of the time, "high human capital" meant 470+. Now that the pre-EE backlog is clearing and ITAs are 2000+ per draw, what we define as "high human capital" is clearly going to change. To a certain extent, those people getting the extra 15-30 points will be "cancelled out" by those no longer getting 600 points for LMIA, as many of those people with 50 point LMIAs will still come in at < 400 CRS and therefore not be good candidates for an ITA without increasing their human capital. Therefore, the likelihood is - bearing in mind that even with ITAs at the 1500 level per draw we saw CRS drop as low as 450, now that ITAs are in the region of 2300 (if they settle in that range), CRS is going to drop below 450. I expect that in 6 months time we'll consider that anyone with 420+ has an excellent chance of getting an ITA.

 

[betty44]

The changes are definitely beneficial to those with CRS above 450.

There seem, to me, to have been two major goals that CIC wanted to achieve when making these changes. Firstly, they wanted to make international students more competitive. Secondly, they wanted to put a bigger emphasis on human capital, rather than job offers. The two major changes - removing 550 points from most LMIA holders and giving students between 15-30 points have done just that. Those with high CRS (which would naturally include international students) are going to have a much better chance.

What most people seem to be failing to see here is that what we define as "high human capital" is rapidly changing. Since EE came in and ITAs sat at around 1000-1500 most of the time, "high human capital" meant 470+. Now that the pre-EE backlog is clearing and ITAs are 2000+ per draw, what we define as "high human capital" is clearly going to change. To a certain extent, those people getting the extra 15-30 points will be "cancelled out" by those no longer getting 600 points for LMIA, as many of those people with 50 point LMIAs will still come in at < 400 CRS and therefore not be good candidates for an ITA without increasing their human capital. Therefore, the likelihood is - bearing in mind that even with ITAs at the 1500 level per draw we saw CRS drop as low as 450, now that ITAs are in the region of 2300 (if they settle in that range), CRS is going to drop below 450. I expect that in 6 months time we'll consider that anyone with 420+ has an excellent chance of getting an ITA.

those who get an ITA in 6 month will be part of the 2018 immigration plan. that's another year wasted. PNP seems to be the only way. by january most pnp should be opened and some of them might offer new streams with no job offer required