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Reasons for Rejection

luke-wiggsy

Full Member
Aug 29, 2015
22
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Han said:
Did you get points for you Canadian work experience? If so, then in my opinion it should somehow match the duties listed in your NOC.
Yeah I did. So if they aren't satisfied with one section of my work experience is that grounds for complete rejection? My CRS was 516 from memory, so even without the Canadian work experience points I would have a CRS over 450.
 

Bhullar28

Star Member
Mar 21, 2015
58
1
taral80 said:
@ bhullar 28
Dear friend you can also send a mail to: NC-NOC-CNP-GD@hrsdc-rhdcc.gc.ca
You need to mail them your duties and responsibilities and they will reply back within few days suggesting which NOC is best suited to you. You dont need to give your personal details, just write that please suggest me the NOC for my duties etc. And attach your duties and responsibilities...
Try it...
Wrote them a mail and got a reply within 4 hours, they're saying it's 0124...
 

maged_mmh

Champion Member
Nov 27, 2015
2,313
168
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
6221
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
29-12-2015
Nomination.....
11-2016
AOR Received.
6-12-2016
Med's Done....
16-12-2016
Bhullar28 said:
Wrote them a mail and got a reply within 4 hours, they're saying it's 0124...
so this is the one you should use
 

Han

Hero Member
Feb 24, 2014
777
124
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
2133
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-01-2016
AOR Received.
08-01-2016
Passport Req..
20-06-2016
VISA ISSUED...
28-06-2016
LANDED..........
29-06-2016 :)
luke-wiggsy said:
Yeah I did. So if they aren't satisfied with one section of my work experience is that grounds for complete rejection? My CRS was 516 from memory, so even without the Canadian work experience points I would have a CRS over 450.
What was the minimum score in that draw? Was it 450?
 

luke-wiggsy

Full Member
Aug 29, 2015
22
0
Han said:
What was the minimum score in that draw? Was it 450?
It was 459. So without my Canadian Experience counted I would still have a CRS higher than the lowest ranked candidate invited.

My reference letters state that my official job title was an engineer, with full time/salary information etc. It's just the job description that doesn't quite match
 

Han

Hero Member
Feb 24, 2014
777
124
Category........
Visa Office......
Ottawa
NOC Code......
2133
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-01-2016
AOR Received.
08-01-2016
Passport Req..
20-06-2016
VISA ISSUED...
28-06-2016
LANDED..........
29-06-2016 :)
luke-wiggsy said:
It was 459. So without my Canadian Experience counted I would still have a CRS higher than the lowest ranked candidate invited.

My reference letters state that my official job title was an engineer, with full time/salary information etc. It's just the job description that doesn't quite match
@Asivad, please advise.
 

Russian

Hero Member
May 14, 2015
453
28
Category........
NOC Code......
0601
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
luke-wiggsy said:
It was 459. So without my Canadian Experience counted I would still have a CRS higher than the lowest ranked candidate invited.

My reference letters state that my official job title was an engineer, with full time/salary information etc. It's just the job description that doesn't quite match
If your score without Canadian work experience is still higher than lowest score in the draw when you received ITA, then you have nothing to worry about.
 

luke-wiggsy

Full Member
Aug 29, 2015
22
0
oh crap, I think the score was actually 471 for that draw, which means I might be a few points lower :-[
It was 450 and 459 in the weeks either side of my draw, just my luck that my draw was randomly 20 points higher. Ughhh

Do you think this means I will be in trouble?
 

Russian

Hero Member
May 14, 2015
453
28
Category........
NOC Code......
0601
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
luke-wiggsy said:
oh crap, I think the score was actually 471 for that draw, which means I might be a few points lower :-[
It was 450 and 459 in the weeks either side of my draw, just my luck that my draw was randomly 20 points higher. Ughhh

Do you think this means I will be in trouble?
Send your job duties as stated in your reference on this email NC-NOC-CNP-GD@hrsdc-rhdcc.gc.ca

They will provide you with correct NOC code. Maybe you have chosen the right one? They answer very quick, the same day.
 

luke-wiggsy

Full Member
Aug 29, 2015
22
0
Regardless, I guess it is out of my hands. All I can do now is wait

So if they discount it completely then I will be 5 points shy. Do you know if it is an all or nothing thing? Surely if I have signed documents from engineering firms stating I have three years work experience inside of Canada as an engineer it must count for something?

Then again, everything I've seen on this forum seems like they are brutally black and white
 

Russian

Hero Member
May 14, 2015
453
28
Category........
NOC Code......
0601
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
luke-wiggsy said:
Regardless, I guess it is out of my hands. All I can do now is wait

So if they discount it completely then I will be 5 points shy. Do you know if it is an all or nothing thing? Surely if I have signed documents from engineering firms stating I have three years work experience inside of Canada as an engineer it must count for something?

Then again, everything I've seen on this forum seems like they are brutally black and white
I think even your personal luck matters a lot. Each officer's assessment may be different from another. All you can do is sit back and relax and wait for outcome, as you have already mentioned.

Maybe you have nothing to worry about.
 

kaypee786

Newbie
Oct 9, 2015
7
0
Hi everyone, my app has been refused , May AOR, and file submitted on 25 may 2015, I dont know what to do now. It came as a big shock after a very long wait. what should I do now can anyone suggest me. :eek: :-[

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or
other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued
an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at
the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an
instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they
were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the
qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the
accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your
invitation letter.
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had Canadian work experience. The Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System states that For the purpose of this section, Canadian
work experience is work experience that is acquired by the accompanying spouse or common-law partner
of the foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management
Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) matrix; consists of
full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience, with one or more
employers; and is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under subsection (1). Furthermore, in order for the foreign national to be assigned
points under subsection (1) for the Canadian work experience of their accompanying spouse or commonlaw partner, the foreign national must specify in their expression of interest the four-digit code in the
National Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations that the accompanying
spouse or common-law partner has engaged in while accumulating their Canadian work experience; and
the spouse or common-law partner must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for
the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out in the National
Occupational Classification.
I am not satisfied that you meet all these requirements. You have declared Canadian work experience
with Nexera Wireless under NOC 6221, Technical sales specialist. Based on evidence you provided, I am
not satisfied that you sold wholesale a range of technical goods and services, such as telecommunications
services and computer services, to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in
domestic and international localities. Furthermore, I am not satisfied that this employer is a wholesaler
that caters to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in domestic and international
localities. I am therefore not satisfied that you the actions described in the lead statement for the
occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification nor that
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you acquired experience listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the
NOC matrix for this period.
In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act and Subsection 82(1) of the Regulations, I am refusing your
application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h). This change in your qualifications resulted
in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in
your round, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.
 

Achievement

Hero Member
Jan 2, 2016
244
20
Category........
Visa Office......
ADVO
NOC Code......
2133
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
kaypee786 said:
Hi everyone, my app has been refused , May AOR, and file submitted on 25 may 2015, I dont know what to do now. It came as a big shock after a very long wait. what should I do now can anyone suggest me. :eek: :-[

I have now completed the assessment of your application for a permanent resident visa as a skilled
worker. I have determined that you do not meet the requirements for immigration to Canada.
Section 11.2 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act directs that an officer may not issue a visa or
other document in respect of an application for permanent residence to a foreign national who was issued
an invitation under Division 0.1 to make such an application if – at the time the invitation was issued or at
the time the officer received their application – the foreign national did not meet the criteria set out in an
instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(e) or does not have the qualifications on the basis of which they
were ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h) and were consequently issued the
invitation.
Citizenship and Immigration Canada invited you to apply for permanent resident status based on the
qualifications you claimed in your Express Entry profile. Those qualification claims and the
accompanying Comprehensive Ranking System (CRS) points awarded were summarized in your
invitation letter.
In your Express Entry profile you indicated that you had Canadian work experience. The Ministerial
Instructions Respecting the Express Entry System states that For the purpose of this section, Canadian
work experience is work experience that is acquired by the accompanying spouse or common-law partner
of the foreign national in Canada in one or more occupations listed in Skill Type 0 Management
Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the National Occupational Classification (NOC) matrix; consists of
full-time work experience, or the full-time equivalent for part-time work experience, with one or more
employers; and is acquired within the 10-year period preceding the day on which points are assigned to
the foreign national under subsection (1). Furthermore, in order for the foreign national to be assigned
points under subsection (1) for the Canadian work experience of their accompanying spouse or commonlaw partner, the foreign national must specify in their expression of interest the four-digit code in the
National Occupational Classification that corresponds to each of the occupations that the accompanying
spouse or common-law partner has engaged in while accumulating their Canadian work experience; and
the spouse or common-law partner must have performed the actions described in the lead statement for
the occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification, as
well as a substantial number of the main duties, including all essential duties, as set out in the National
Occupational Classification.
I am not satisfied that you meet all these requirements. You have declared Canadian work experience
with Nexera Wireless under NOC 6221, Technical sales specialist. Based on evidence you provided, I am
not satisfied that you sold wholesale a range of technical goods and services, such as telecommunications
services and computer services, to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in
domestic and international localities. Furthermore, I am not satisfied that this employer is a wholesaler
that caters to governments and to commercial and industrial establishments in domestic and international
localities. I am therefore not satisfied that you the actions described in the lead statement for the
occupation as set out in the occupational descriptions of the National Occupational Classification nor that
2
you acquired experience listed in Skill Type 0 Management Occupations or Skill Level A or B of the
NOC matrix for this period.
In accordance with section 11.2 of the Act and Subsection 82(1) of the Regulations, I am refusing your
application because I have found that you do not possess the qualification on the basis of which you were
ranked under an instruction given under paragraph 10.3(1)(h). This change in your qualifications resulted
in a loss of points that brought your rank below the lowest ranking person who was invited to apply in
your round, under the Express Entry Comprehensive Ranking System.
Following an examination of your application, I am not satisfied that you meet the requirements of the
Act and the regulations for the reasons explained above. I am therefore refusing your application.
You will receive a refund of the Right of Permanent Residence Fee that you have paid
You must remove your Job Seeker profile from the Job Bank website as you are no longer an Express
Entry candidate. You must also remove any references that you are a candidate for Express Entry from
any private job board websites, if you used any.
Subsection 11(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) states that a foreign national
must, before entering Canada, apply to an officer for a visa or for any other document required by the
regulations. The visa or document shall be issued if, following an examination, the officer is satisfied that
the foreign national is not inadmissible and meets the requirements of this Act. Subsection 2(2) specifies
that unless otherwise indicated, references in the Act to “this Act” include regulations made under it.
Thank you for the interest you have shown in Canada.

I am really sorry kaypee. It's really hard after long time. Is your BC started?
 

Asivad Anac

VIP Member
May 27, 2015
10,632
1,395
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
kaypee786 said:
Hi everyone, my app has been refused , May AOR, and file submitted on 25 may 2015, I dont know what to do now. It came as a big shock after a very long wait. what should I do now can anyone suggest me. :eek: :-[
Sorry for your refusal.

This is uncanny! Second refusal of the day based on incorrect selection of the same NOC. You should've chosen NOC 0124/0621 for a generic sales/retail role rather than 6221. Look at your job responsibilities closely once again and choose the appropriate NOC. There is no point in asking for reassessment here. Create a fresh EE profile and get back into the pool.

I'm sure it is painful - I had a rejection on a silly technicality after waiting for 4 months and this must hurt even more than that did as it comes much later in the process. But you'll have to shrug it off and move ahead with life. Spend time with friends over the weekend and get this refusal out of your system so that you can start afresh on Monday.

Hang in there and All the best!
 

kaypee786

Newbie
Oct 9, 2015
7
0
thank you Asiavid and Achievement. Is there any way I can send them CSE and give them the updated NOC. I dont know what to do my head is busting