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thekindofguy

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Evening,

I am sponsoring my wife and i have a question about proof of relationship. In the applicant part she has placed an ample amount of material - 200 pages - and i am wondering if i need to also provide proof of relationship in the sponsorship part of the application.

It seems a waste of paper to print out the same material twice?
 
thekindofguy said:
Evening,

I am sponsoring my wife and i have a question about proof of relationship. In the applicant part she has placed an ample amount of material - 200 pages - and i am wondering if i need to also provide proof of relationship in the sponsorship part of the application.

It seems a waste of paper to print out the same material twice?

the sponsorship does not need to provide that....that burden of proof is all on the applicants side....what the sponsor may do is write a letter as to why they believe their relationship is valid.....I believe that is at the bottom of the last page of the sponsor's form......it is not mandatory but it is the only time the sponsor has to tell his/her side of the story....
 
Kjg,

Thanks for the quick reply. Is a one pager enough? She has a very detailed history that no one could doubt so i think there is no problem whatsoever that the relationship is genuine.
 
The proof of relationship isn't separate for the sponsor and the applicant. It's good to have pieces from both sides, but you don't need to duplicate anything she's already done.
 
We put it all in an appendix section and then in both parts of the application wrote "please refer to appendices A through J for evidence of a continuing and genuine relationship."
 
@thekindofguy just don't duplicate any proof of relation. What we did was to use file jackets.OnOne has documents for my sponsor; another with documents from applicant and the third was documents from both of us. So you'd include all the proof u have in this envelope such as joint lease, bank accounts, letters adressed to us both, insurance, letters from friends and families, joint credit card statement, movie receipts, cards from both of u to each other etc
 
I understand from this thread that a letter from the sponsor is mandatory? Is that correct?
 
@reservoirdog

No its not technically mandatory but it would be almost negligent not to. It would be like a lawyer trying to convince the jury that his client is innocent by throwing a lot of proof at them using slideshows but never saying a word.
 
The narratives (sponsor and applicant) are important because they are the only opportunity you normally get to tell your "story" to CIC. The evidence you present is corroborating that story, but the story is really key here - why should a suspicious, jaded, "seen it all before" visa officer believe your relationship is genuine?

Having a story from just one party isn't as convincing as having a story from both sides. I prepared pretty much everything in our application, but I had my spouse write a narrative. I asked a friend (who is a professional editor) to provide light editorial guidance on it as I didn't want it to sound the same as mine. I wanted the visa officer to read our two narrative and get a sense of who we were - and to know that those narratives were written by two different people with strong feelings for one another.

As for the supporting evidence, our application followed the standard advice here: put it in a separate section and reference to it. We had lots of different types of evidence - old chat logs, e-mail exchanges, photographs, evidence of trips we'd taken together, documents that showed we had intertwined our lives - a single lease with both our names, a joint bank account, our jointly owned car. Some people put hundreds of pictures in the application - I think we did 20 or so. But when I was done looking at the narratives and the evidence I found it was compelling - someone looking at the application would get a strong sense of a genuine application.

For my application it was also imperative - my first application (as a skilled worker) was denied. That is a HUGE red flag. The saving grace is that I met my spouse just before that first application was submitted, let alone denied. The first officer who looked at our file in Ottawa was happy with the file except that one issue - "Based on information provided, further review required due to previous in admissibility". But that officer also said: "Eligibility: Photos of relationship provided, copies of e-mails also provided as evidence of communication. Relationship appears to be genuine." That told me the application achieved it's purpose.

It actually worked better than I'd expected: I'd been prepared for an interview (rare for US applicants, but it does happen) and a drawn-out process. Instead I was the first US applicant in my month (March 2012) to receive PPR.

So, my advice: write your narrative. Explain to the officer why your relationship is a genuine one. It does make a difference.

I cry when I read the letter my spouse wrote, even now, a year later. I know that helped make a difference.
 
computergeek said:
So, my advice: write your narrative. Explain to the officer why your relationship is a genuine one. It does make a difference.

I cry when I read the letter my spouse wrote, even now, a year later. I know that helped make a difference.

This is an excellent point. We actually did exactly as CG describes.

You know what? We've had our difficult moments in the last year (he's not visa exempt and we tried for TRV once, which was refused) and long distance sucks- everybody knows that. But when it becomes really difficult, I go and read the story and the cover letters each of us wrote for our application. Believe me when I say it makes me remember why it's damn worth it to go through this to be together. It does make a difference.
 
Call me unromantic but I provided the information that supports the claims in the application. I didn't get all mushy and emotional in the statement of how we met and how we came to fall in love. We are older so there is a somewhat more pragmatic approach to the process of love and relationships.
 
CanadianJeepGuy said:
Call me unromantic but I provided the information that supports the claims in the application. I didn't get all mushy and emotional in the statement of how we met and how we came to fall in love. We are older so there is a somewhat more pragmatic approach to the process of love and relationships.

Neither did we. My husband doesn't do mushy. I also couldn't imagine him actually writing anything. This guy wrote on our first Valentine's day cards "I love you." That was it. His letter to CIC would be "Hurry up and give my wife status so she can go get a job. I'm tired of paying all the bills alone and I want more money to buy a new tablet." Now that would be convincing! Hahaha!

Our application has good points (we live together) and bad points (my family doesn't know him, no family from either side came to the wedding - by and large because we didn't invite them.... for good reason).

Then again, hubby said we just need to send CIC one of our fights. Then they'd know we were a real couple :P
 
So it be better for both the applicant and the sponsor to write a letter about why they feel their relationship is a lasting and genuine one? I feel like it couldn't hurt, but a second opinion would be greatly appreciated. :)
 
In our application, we didn't include any letter from either sponsor or applicant. Just 1 from a family member providing testimony to the relationship. The real "proof" of relationship has to do with the living together, joint accounts, pictures of us travelling together and meeting each other friends and family etc etc. Our app was approved no problems at all.