Proof of living together while PA is a visitor

[anthonyjr]

Hi everyone,
I'm applying to sponsor my wife. We had 3 kids and have been together for 12 years.
I'm a PR in Canada, my wife and my kids are coming to Canada in a Visitor visa. We'll be living together in the house that I own.

Now, if I check Yes on living together, they asked me to provide at least 2 of these:

1. Proof of joint ownership of residential property.
2. Rental agreement showing both the applicant and sponsor as occupants.
3. Proof of joint utility accounts, joint credit card accounts, or joint bank accounts (minimum of one joint bill).
4. Vehicle insurance indicating both individuals as residents of the insured address.
5. Government-issued documents for both individuals showing the same address (minimum of one document per person).
6. Other documents showing the same address, whether held jointly or individually (e.g., cell phone bills, pay stubs, tax forms, bank or credit card statements, insurance policies).

But since she's a visitor, she couldn't open bank account, or joint ownership with the property, or put her name on utility account or any bills... etc

What should I submit as a proof of living together in my case?

Many thanks! Any ideas would be much appreciated!

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Hi everyone,
I'm applying to sponsor my wife. We had 3 kids and have been together for 12 years.
I'm a PR in Canada, my wife and my kids are coming to Canada in a Visitor visa. We'll be living together in the house that I own.

Now, if I check Yes on living together, they asked me to provide at least 2 of these:

1. Proof of joint ownership of residential property.
2. Rental agreement showing both the applicant and sponsor as occupants.
3. Proof of joint utility accounts, joint credit card accounts, or joint bank accounts (minimum of one joint bill).
4. Vehicle insurance indicating both individuals as residents of the insured address.
5. Government-issued documents for both individuals showing the same address (minimum of one document per person).
6. Other documents showing the same address, whether held jointly or individually (e.g., cell phone bills, pay stubs, tax forms, bank or credit card statements, insurance policies).

But since she's a visitor, she couldn't open bank account, or joint ownership with the property, or put her name on utility account or any bills... etc

What should I submit as a proof of living together in my case?

Many thanks! Any ideas would be much appreciated!

You don't need that. It's critical only if you are common law.

 

[anthonyjr]

You don't need that. It's critical only if you are common law.

Thank you! So, just a letter of explanation is good enough? That was my though too, since I believe my case is strong enough

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Thank you! So, just a letter of explanation is good enough? That was my though too, since I believe my case is strong enough

Yes, absolutely, and technically she is not living with you, she's visiting you at your house.

It's not an issue for a married couple, just attach your explanation.

 

[anthonyjr]

Yes, absolutely, and technically she is not living with you, she's visiting you at your house.

It's not an issue for a married couple, just attach your explanation.

wait, you're right. She's not living with me technically.
So, in the class of application, which one should I choose, Family Class outland or Family Class outland but living in Canada?
Thank you

 

[CanGoldDigger]

wait, you're right. She's not living with me technically.
So, in the class of application, which one should I choose, Family Class outland or Family Class outland but living in Canada?
Thank you

That would be your call as there are many other considerations to take into account.

How long are they staying? What are your plans?

 

[anthonyjr]

That would be your call as there are many other considerations to take into account.

How long are they staying? What are your plans?

My plan is I'll apply right after they arrive Canada as visitors. When I receive AOR, I'll apply OWP for my wife right away.
The kids are easier, I'll apply health care for them as soon as I have receipt for PR application fees. That's all they need.

And then we stay in Canada

 

[CanGoldDigger]

My plan is I'll apply right after they arrive Canada as visitors. When I receive AOR, I'll apply OWP for my wife right away.
The kids are easier, I'll apply health care for them as soon as I have receipt for PR application fees. That's all they need.

And then we stay in Canada

Then your only option is inland application.

 

[anthonyjr]

Then your only option is inland application.

Why is that? OWP can also be applied with outland application now. I'd prefer outland because she can flight back to our country while necessary, while with inland app. she can't leave Canada. for too long.

 

[CanGoldDigger]

Why is that? OWP can also be applied with outland application now. I'd prefer outland because she can flight back to our country while necessary, while with inland app. she can't leave Canada. for too long.

To get an open work permit under the public policy you need to apply as inland.

 

[anthonyjr]

To get an open work permit under the public policy you need to apply as inland.

IRCC changed on 2023, allowed outland applicants apply for OWP

 

[CanGoldDigger]

To get an open work permit under the public policy you need to apply as inland.

Yup, they just need to maintain their status.

 

[canuck78]

Assume you have been living apart for some time? Also assume you meet your RO and depending on when you received PR they were included on your PR application.

 

[armoured]

Why is that? OWP can also be applied with outland application now. I'd prefer outland because she can flight back to our country while necessary, while with inland app. she can't leave Canada. for too long.

You're correct, you can do other. Your reasoning to apply outland is correct. And yes, outland applicants now eligible for OWP.

I don't see any problem at all with declaring that she is living with you if you apply when she is in Canada with you. That's what most do. If that's the plan, that becomes her place of residence when she arrives to reside with you. Trips back home won't matter, unless REALLY long; of course habitual residence of a parent is with their children, even if they leave for a while.

 

[anthonyjr]

Assume you have been living apart for some time? Also assume you meet your RO and depending on when you received PR they were included on your PR application.

The only problem is my RO.
Long story short, not quite relevant but I'm having a freetime now with my coffee, and I wanted to share, since it was an extremely long and difficult path to us and I hope it would give anyone in same situation a hint.

I got PR in Nov 2019, but was out of Canada for 4.5 years. I got back last year (12 months to be exact from now) when PR card was only 6 months left before exp. There was only our first daughter was declared in my PR application, since she was born in Canada in 2014 and became Canadian citizen. My wife wasn't on the application at all, just mentioned as my daughter's mother. By that time, we weren't get married yet. My wife left Canada on 2016 with my first daughter, I stayed to work and got PR in 2019. We were still together, but lived apart.
Right after I got PR in 2019, I left Canada and live with them (my wife and first daughter) from 2019 to 2024. I couldn't be back to Canada because Covid at first, and then business, and then family, all of that. By that time, we got 2 more children. And now I'm back. The CBSA at the airport didn't even bother when I first came back. I asked them if I got any problem, the guy at port took my paperwork and talked to a higher level supervisor, and they both said no problem since we already had a Canadian citizen daughter, and they welcomed me back, and told me go ahead to sponsor the rest of the family... Then I'm back!

I understand that I didn't meet my RO. I'm unable to renew PR card now because RO is part of the requirements to do so. But, according to Sponsorship eligibility requirements, there is no RO requiment mentioned, and technically, I'm still a valid PR holder, and I will be unless there is a court order that removes my PR. Beside, I will write them a long and touching letter of explanation about the whole complicated story of mine. I believe they wouldn't give me any troubles.