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What is the process and timeframe for a H&C application for permanent residency and, if necessary, an appeal?

1. a) Is the first stage to send the application to an officer who either approves or refuses it.
b) Is there an interview for this process and, if so, where does it take place?
c) How long approximately does this first stage take from the time the application is received?

2. a) If the application is refused, what is the process for an appeal?
b) Does the applicant present their appeal before a Federal judge?
c) How long after the refusal does the appeal hearing take place?

Thank you.
 
Look into the refugee section. Not uncommon for first stage of the application to take around year. There isn’t usually an interview. You remain deportable during H&C application so what is the status of the current applicant? H&C applications are incredibly dependent on the situation of the applicant. What is the person’s current status in Canada?
 
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What is the process and timeframe for a H&C application for permanent residency and, if necessary, an appeal?

1. a) Is the first stage to send the application to an officer who either approves or refuses it.
b) Is there an interview for this process and, if so, where does it take place?
c) How long approximately does this first stage take from the time the application is received?

2. a) If the application is refused, what is the process for an appeal?
b) Does the applicant present their appeal before a Federal judge?
c) How long after the refusal does the appeal hearing take place?

Thank you.

Hi,

1. a) An H&C application is sent to a centralized point to eventually be reviewed an decided by an officer.
b) An interview is unlikely
c). It depends upon many factors - someone facing imminent removal may see a decision before anyone with lawful visitor's status. They have priorities and do cases with an accompanying PRRA more rapidly. Without an accompanying PRRA it can easily take two years for it to be reviewed.

2. a) The Federal Court is the sole place to contest a negative decision.
b) If leave to appeal to the Federal Court is granted then a lawyer presents the case
c) I can't speak to how the Federal Court organizes its workloads

There is a thread for H&Cs in the refugee section with about a million views, and while it's in the refugee section many of the people in that thread have established that they are definitely not Convention refugees and the H&C is their final bid to remain in Canada.

I hope that this helps a little.
 
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Hi,

1. a) An H&C application is sent to a centralized point to eventually be reviewed an decided by an officer.
b) An interview is unlikely
c). It depends upon many factors - someone facing imminent removal may see a decision before anyone with lawful visitor's status. They have priorities and do cases with an accompanying PRRA more rapidly. Without an accompanying PRRA it can easily take two years for it to be reviewed.

2. a) The Federal Court is the sole place to contest a negative decision.
b) If leave to appeal to the Federal Court is granted then a lawyer presents the case
c) I can't speak to how the Federal Court organizes its workloads

There is a thread for H&Cs in the refugee section with about a million views, and while it's in the refugee section many of the people in that thread have established that they are definitely not Convention refugees and the H&C is their final bid to remain in Canada.

I hope that this helps a little.

Yes, it is very helpful. I'll try and find the thread in the refugee section.
cheers
 
Look into the refugee section. Not uncommon for first stage of the application to take around year. There isn’t usually an interview. You remain deportable during H&C application so what is the status of the current applicant? H&C applications are incredibly dependent on the situation of the applicant. What is the person’s current status in Canada?

Thanks for responding.

Status - non resident of Canada, mother of 2 young children born in Canada, and married to Canadian resident.

(Should I make a new thread for the Refugee section or is there a way to move this one?)
 
Hi,

1. a) An H&C application is sent to a centralized point to eventually be reviewed an decided by an officer.
b) An interview is unlikely
c). It depends upon many factors - someone facing imminent removal may see a decision before anyone with lawful visitor's status. They have priorities and do cases with an accompanying PRRA more rapidly. Without an accompanying PRRA it can easily take two years for it to be reviewed.

2. a) The Federal Court is the sole place to contest a negative decision.
b) If leave to appeal to the Federal Court is granted then a lawyer presents the case
c) I can't speak to how the Federal Court organizes its workloads

There is a thread for H&Cs in the refugee section with about a million views, and while it's in the refugee section many of the people in that thread have established that they are definitely not Convention refugees and the H&C is their final bid to remain in Canada.

I hope that this helps a little.

Sorry, forgot to ask ..... during the period the applicant is waiting for review of the appeal, is the applicant, in this case a mother of 2 Canadian children, permitted to remain in Canada until the decision is made or is she at risk of removal?
 
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Sorry, forgot to ask ..... during the period the applicant is waiting for review of the appeal, is the applicant, in this case a mother of 2 Canadian children, permitted to remain in Canada until the decision is made or is she at risk of removal?

There is no legislative Stay of removal - the person can be removed and the H&C decision will still be made in her absence.
 
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There is no legislative Stay of removal - the person can be removed and the H&C decision will still be made in her absence.
Would not removal from Canada, which would separate a mother from her 2 Canadian children under 5, be, ironically, the antithesis of the purpose of H&C and what it represents ie. an inhumanitarian and uncompassionate act?
 
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Sorry, forgot to ask ..... during the period the applicant is waiting for review of the appeal, is the applicant, in this case a mother of 2 Canadian children, permitted to remain in Canada until the decision is made or is she at risk of removal?

If the spouse is a resident they should sponsor them.
 
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Would not removal from Canada, which would separate a mother from her 2 Canadian children under 5, be, ironically, the antithesis of the purpose of H&C and what it represents ie. an inhumanitarian and uncompassionate act?

Having children in Canada without permanent status has risks. There are considerations when it comes to deportations and habing young children woukd likely be a factor on whether the removal would go ahead or be put on hold. There are many factors including a person’s immigration history.
 
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Would not removal from Canada, which would separate a mother from her 2 Canadian children under 5, be, ironically, the antithesis of the purpose of H&C and what it represents ie. an inhumanitarian and uncompassionate act?

It would be unusual to abandon the children to the state, but not unheard of, unfortunately. If there's a remaining parent then it seems that some sponsorship, at some point, should have been available. But whatever, the devil is always in the details.

Not taking the children with you when being removed from a nation where one did not have a legal right to remain could certainly be seen in the same light. Having children while living in a country without status isn't a laudable achievement and is so manifestly irresponsible that some might question the parents' competency to raise them responsibly.

I don't know anything of the circumstances of this particular H&C but generally speaking, if an H&C has been submitted for about a year without a decision then the CBSA is usually amenable to voluntarily suspending the removal in order to await the decision.

The Federal Court can be accessed to consider a temporary Stay of removal for an H&C decision, arguing irreparable harm and perhaps have success.

Perhaps this person has a "clear as water" positive decision awaiting them, if they've been victimized somehow for example. On the other hand if someone came on a TRV and didn't bother to leave and just decided to go ahead have some kids without any certainty of their own future - this sort of recklessness used to be referred to as being the "architect of one's own misfortune."

Most people, but not all, take their kids with them when being removed. I personally (for what it's worth) don't have any reservations about lawfully deporting people who have children, Canadian or otherwise. However, if there are positive H&C factors that will lead to PR status, I don't have any issues with that either.
 
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It would be unusual to abandon the children to the state, but not unheard of, unfortunately. If there's a remaining parent then it seems that some sponsorship, at some point, should have been available. But whatever, the devil is always in the details.

Not taking the children with you when being removed from a nation where one did not have a legal right to remain could certainly be seen in the same light. Having children while living in a country without status isn't a laudable achievement and is so manifestly irresponsible that some might question the parents' competency to raise them responsibly.

I don't know anything of the circumstances of this particular H&C but generally speaking, if an H&C has been submitted for about a year without a decision then the CBSA is usually amenable to voluntarily suspending the removal in order to await the decision.

The Federal Court can be accessed to consider a temporary Stay of removal for an H&C decision, arguing irreparable harm and perhaps have success.

Perhaps this person has a "clear as water" positive decision awaiting them, if they've been victimized somehow for example. On the other hand if someone came on a TRV and didn't bother to leave and just decided to go ahead have some kids without any certainty of their own future - this sort of recklessness used to be referred to as being the "architect of one's own misfortune."

Most people, but not all, take their kids with them when being removed. I personally (for what it's worth) don't have any reservations about lawfully deporting people who have children, Canadian or otherwise. However, if there are positive H&C factors that will lead to PR status, I don't have any issues with that either.

Within the time frame of the visitation, the mother had every intention to leave Canada with her husband to have her child; however, due to a two week overstay of his ESTA visa on a previous visit, the father was denied entry. Rather than have the mother give birth to the child alone without the support of her husband, the decision was made to stay together in Canada for the well being of the mother and child.

If the non resident mother is removed, then the circumstances are such that the children either stay with the father in Canada without their mother, or leave with the mother and be without their father. No other options.

The children, since their birth, have been with their father and mother exclusively 24 hours a day.

The extent of harm for children separated from their parents is well documented and currently considered to be a global crisis.
Hirokazu Yoshikawa, a developmental psychologist at New York University codirects NYU’s Global TIES for Children and has done extensive research (as well as thousands of other psychological studies) on the irreparable harm - including cognitive, social-emotional and other mental health problems for children separated from their parent.

To have no reservations to remove a parent knowing it would cause irreparable damage for the children is, in my opinion, with all due respect, abominable inhumanity regardless of government law.

You mention that a Federal temporary stay of removal is possible relative to an H&C decision. Do you know if a stay of removal is applicable to the three types of removal orders (- departure order, exclusion order, and deportation order) prior to or during the process of an H&C application?
 
Within the time frame of the visitation, the mother had every intention to leave Canada with her husband to have her child; however, due to a two week overstay of his ESTA visa on a previous visit, the father was denied entry. Rather than have the mother give birth to the child alone without the support of her husband, the decision was made to stay together in Canada for the well being of the mother and child.

If the non resident mother is removed, then the circumstances are such that the children either stay with the father in Canada without their mother, or leave with the mother and be without their father. No other options.

The children, since their birth, have been with their father and mother exclusively 24 hours a day.

The extent of harm for children separated from their parents is well documented and currently considered to be a global crisis.
Hirokazu Yoshikawa, a developmental psychologist at New York University codirects NYU’s Global TIES for Children and has done extensive research (as well as thousands of other psychological studies) on the irreparable harm - including cognitive, social-emotional and other mental health problems for children separated from their parent.

To have no reservations to remove a parent knowing it would cause irreparable damage for the children is, in my opinion, with all due respect, abominable inhumanity regardless of government law.

You mention that a Federal temporary stay of removal is possible relative to an H&C decision. Do you know if a stay of removal is applicable to the three types of removal orders (- departure order, exclusion order, and deportation order) prior to or during the process of an H&C application?

There's no point debating this with us. We are not IRCC / CBSA.

I would very very strongly encourage you to move over to the main H&C thread in the refugee / asylum section of the forum. This is where the vast majority of discussions on this topic are found. You'll be able to read through other stories there and get the best advice on your current situation / status, as well as what the options would be in the unlikely event you're facing an actual removal from Canada.

I assume there is a reason why family sponsorship is not possible since that would be the preferred option.

Good luck.
 
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A temporary Stay of Removal from the Federal Court of Canada would apply to any removal Order.

As for the other things mentioned, and the due respect offered, I don't recollect any removals where any foreknowledge of irreparable harm occurred. There are tens, or hundreds, of millions of children who grow up with only one parental figure so as parents divorce, pass away, get incarcerated, slip into comas or get deported, it's a tragic but a broadly shared reality.

Abominable inhumanity is on unvarnished display frequently in H&Cs where children have been tortured, trafficked, neglected, abused and any other atrocious behaiour one might imagine. It's noteworthy that the CBSA and provincial child services have a close working relationship in order to seize children from dangerous situations. It's terrible when a child is forced into foster care but it is only used when there are "no other options."

As I mentioned earlier, the devil is in the details and it's the responsibility of the applicant to provide sufficient evidence to compel a positive decision. For my part I would say that any request for relief from an executable removal order that is adorned with some sort of self-righteous indignation is like wearing plaid and polka dots. If you paint yourself into a corner it's not really the paint's fault.
 
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