PR status

[canuck78]

Be also aware that one of the common questions when returning will be:
When did you leave Canada last time and how long did you stay abroad. A truthful answer to that question is a ticket to be reported in your case.

Your wife entering on TRV visa without additional spousal application has a certain chance that you will become visible for CIC (obviously she would have to disclose you as her husband).
Also you cannot sponsor children that are 21 years old or older (if ever you manage to get it in and lay low for next 2 years).

Wouldn't recommend someone lie about how long they have been out of Canada. That is very easy for CBSA to figure out. Being truthful is the way to go. Without a valid PR card there will certainly be further investigation into your status.

 

[CricketMan1]

Hello there,
I am in the same situation. I have a British (GBD) Passport, I am a citizen of the UK. Would that make it any easier?

What passport do you hold? I assume it's not a US passport.

If you try to get a PR TD to fly directly to Canada, it will surely be rejected due to over 20 years not meeting the RO. This would start process to officially terminate your PR status.

Your best option is to attempt at USA/Canada land border. If you hold a passport that usually requires a TRV, you will for sure need to disclose your PR status and most likely CBSA will report you for RO violation. This will also start process to terminate your PR status, however you will be allowed to enter Canada if you wanted to appeal it.
An appeal can take years to hear, and you probably have a slim to none chance to be successful due to extreme time not meeting RO. Once appeal is lost, your PR status is terminated and you'd need to leave Canada.

If a miracle occurs and you are let into Canada without being reported, you would then need to stay inside Canada 2 straight years without leaving even once for any reason, and that would bring you back into compliance with the RO. You can't renew PR card, and you can't spnosor your family, until you're back in compliance with RO.

Your kid and wife could only enter with a regular TRV/eTA (depending what passport they hold), as visitors. They would need to apply to extend visitor status every 6 months or so, and hope it's approved. If they require TRVs and are denied, they would be unable to come to Canada with you so you would be physically separated from them at least 2+ years without even being able to visit.

Your son may be able to attend school, but you should be prepared to pay international student fees.

You would be able to work with your old SIN, you'd just need to get it reactivated. Depending on province you go to, living for 2 years without a valid PR card may be difficult for certain tasks requiring you to prove your PR status.

 

[CricketMan1]

Another Question, if I were to check my SIN card validility with Payroll Canada and it was dormant, would I be flagged and would it have consequences for my PR status?


Kind Regards.

What passport do you hold? I assume it's not a US passport.

If you try to get a PR TD to fly directly to Canada, it will surely be rejected due to over 20 years not meeting the RO. This would start process to officially terminate your PR status.

Your best option is to attempt at USA/Canada land border. If you hold a passport that usually requires a TRV, you will for sure need to disclose your PR status and most likely CBSA will report you for RO violation. This will also start process to terminate your PR status, however you will be allowed to enter Canada if you wanted to appeal it.
An appeal can take years to hear, and you probably have a slim to none chance to be successful due to extreme time not meeting RO. Once appeal is lost, your PR status is terminated and you'd need to leave Canada.

If a miracle occurs and you are let into Canada without being reported, you would then need to stay inside Canada 2 straight years without leaving even once for any reason, and that would bring you back into compliance with the RO. You can't renew PR card, and you can't spnosor your family, until you're back in compliance with RO.

Your kid and wife could only enter with a regular TRV/eTA (depending what passport they hold), as visitors. They would need to apply to extend visitor status every 6 months or so, and hope it's approved. If they require TRVs and are denied, they would be unable to come to Canada with you so you would be physically separated from them at least 2+ years without even being able to visit.

Your son may be able to attend school, but you should be prepared to pay international student fees.

You would be able to work with your old SIN, you'd just need to get it reactivated. Depending on province you go to, living for 2 years without a valid PR card may be difficult for certain tasks requiring you to prove your PR status.

 

[zardoz]

Hello there,
I am in the same situation. I have a British (GBD) Passport, I am a citizen of the UK. Would that make it any easier?

Actually, not really. You can't apply for an eTA if you are still a Canadian PR. You have easier access to the USA for a land border crossing but all the same caveats apply.

 

[zardoz]

Another Question, if I were to check my SIN card validility with Payroll Canada and it was dormant, would I be flagged and would it have consequences for my PR status?


Kind Regards.

No.

 

[CricketMan1]

Another question, which border crossing is the best one to go to depending on various factors to re-enter the country?

No.

 

[Rob_TO]

Another question, which border crossing is the best one to go to depending on various factors to re-enter the country?

There are no stats on what border crossings are better than others. It all comes down to the individual CBSA officer you happen to talk to.

The only stat out there is to avoid Quebec crossings, as they seem to have the most RO violation reports of all provinces.

 

[CricketMan1]

What are the chances of getting across, I have a British Passport.

There are no stats on what border crossings are better than others. It all comes down to the individual CBSA officer you happen to talk to.

The only stat out there is to avoid Quebec crossings, as they seem to have the most RO violation reports of all provinces.

 

[scylla]

Also you cannot sponsor children that are 21 years old or older (if ever you manage to get it in and lay low for next 2 years).

For the child sponsorship, it's actually 22 years old or older. Dependent children 21 years old and younger can be sponsored.

 

[Rob_TO]

What are the chances of getting across, I have a British Passport.

Again, there are no "odds" to quote. It all depends on the visa officer you happen to get, how long exactly you've been outside Canada, and if they decide to ask questions around your RO. You will just have to take your chances, then if not reported be prepared to stay inside Canada 2 straight years without leaving for any reason whatsoever.

 

[CricketMan1]

How do you prove you have stayed for two years? Also, are the majority of officers bad or good?

Again, there are no "odds" to quote. It all depends on the visa officer you happen to get, how long exactly you've been outside Canada, and if they decide to ask questions around your RO. You will just have to take your chances, then if not reported be prepared to stay inside Canada 2 straight years without leaving for any reason whatsoever.

 

[Rob_TO]

How do you prove you have stayed for two years? Also, are the majority of officers bad or good?

Depends what you mean by good or bad. The "good" officers are actually those that would properly identify PRs in violation of RO, and report them accordingly. The "bad" ones are the ones that would not care or not do proper residency checks. So I assume you're looking for the bad officers.

Either way through, there are no stats on this kind of thing. So you'll just need to try your luck wherever.

You can prove 2 years by showing the entry date to Canada, and later entry/exit reports will show no exits from Canada for next 2 years. Also your tax returns for 2 years, and any other proofs you can think of. Again in order for this plan to work you can't step foot outside Canada for any reason no matter what, you are stuck here for 2 years. Probably better to even go longer than 2 years so there is less chance of going to secondary review when you apply to renew PR card.

 

[CricketMan1]

Also, can you work? I have a SIN number. I am prepared to stay in Canada for two years. What about healthcare? I think I have a healthcare number. Also, I am thinking of bringing my family over. My kids can study there, but what about my wife?


Thanks for you help, I appreciate it.

Depends what you mean by good or bad. The "good" officers are actually those that would properly identify PRs in violation of RO, and report them accordingly. The "bad" ones are the ones that would not care or not do proper residency checks. So I assume you're looking for the bad officers.

Either way through, there are no stats on this kind of thing. So you'll just need to try your luck wherever.

You can prove 2 years by showing the entry date to Canada, and later entry/exit reports will show no exits from Canada for next 2 years. Also your tax returns for 2 years, and any other proofs you can think of. Again in order for this plan to work you can't step foot outside Canada for any reason no matter what, you are stuck here for 2 years. Probably better to even go longer than 2 years so there is less chance of going to secondary review when you apply to renew PR card.

 

[scylla]

Also, can you work? I have a SIN number. I am prepared to stay in Canada for two years. What about healthcare? I think I have a healthcare number. Also, I am thinking of bringing my family over. My kids can study there, but what about my wife?


Thanks for you help, I appreciate it.

Yes, you can work.

Your wife can only come as a visitor at this time. So that means she cannot work or study - and most likely won't be covered by the health care system. She will have to keep on extending her visitor status to remain in Canada legally. Possible that at some point she may be refused and told to return home.

Your children will likely require study permits to study and you need to be prepared to pay international student fees (depending on their ages). For public school, budget around $14K per child per year. They most likely won't be covered by the health care system either.

 

[CricketMan1]

An ETA is valid for 6 months, I am British, so I don't need a visa. Can't my wife just take breaks?

Yes, you can work.

Your wife can only come as a visitor at this time. So that means she cannot work or study - and most likely won't be covered by the health care system. She will have to keep on extending her visitor status to remain in Canada legally. Possible that at some point she may be refused and told to return home.

Your children will likely require study permits to study and you need to be prepared to pay international student fees (depending on their ages). For public school, budget around $14K per child per year. They most likely won't be covered by the health care system either.