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PR cards expire one year ago. How to return to Canada?

Vadym1977

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The lawyers are lying to you. You left Canada and went to the EU. The EU is considered a good standard of life and your children will not suffer if you are returned there. Depending on the province and city your children may not be able to attend school unless they pay international fees 15K/year.
About kindergarten and school - those two children who do not have PR status, they are still very small, and if we need to live 2 years and only if their sponsor is us appropriate. Since they go to school at the latest in 3 years. And if I give to kindergarten, then in Ireland I need to pay from 1200 СAD per month.
With regards to medicine, in Ireland, I pay for receiving a child of 200 Canadian dollars (I specifically change from the euro). I do not think that in Canada I will be more expensive if I buy full insurance for them.
There is free medicine in Ireland, but practice shows that they can hurt a child. And not like in Canada. We live in a relatively large city for Ireland, but the nearest hospital from us is 45 kilometers away. And in order to pass medical tests, you need to go 85 kilometers and wait for a live queue.
 
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k.h.p.

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About kindergarten and school - those two children who do not have PR status, they are still very small, and if we need to live 2 years and only if their sponsor is us appropriate. Since they go to school at the latest in 3 years. And if I give to kindergarten, then in Ireland I need to pay from 1200 СAD per month.
With regards to medicine, in Ireland, I pay for receiving a child of 200 Canadian dollars (I specifically change from the euro). I do not think that in Canada I will be more expensive if I buy full insurance for them.
There is free medicine in Ireland, but practice shows that they can kill a child. And not like in Canada. We live in a relatively large city for Ireland, but the nearest hospital from us is 45 kilometers away. And in order to pass medical tests, you need to go 85 kilometers and wait for a live queue.
If they are not PRs in Canada, you will need to pay for tuition for them to attend school in Canada, as well.

Insurance would only cover emergencies, and would not cover regular checkups. A $200 per annum fee for insurance is very small. You can anticipate paying more than that in Canada.

The suggestion that medical care in Ireland will kill children is laughable unless you have proof that this is a rampant, ongoing problem. Spoiler alert, it's probably not.

Here's the problem, and you can see it in many IAD cases: you chose to leave Canada without compelling reasons. You are in significant breach of your residence obligation. Without clear and compelling reasons for humanitarian and compassionate grounds, any appeal that you may make if you can make it back to Canada will be rejected.

Read some IAD decisions. The IAD considers a breach in RO of 80 days as "very significant." You are likely in breach of your residency obligation in the order of almost four years. You did not have a solid reason for leaving Canada - the IAD has even considered that leaving Canada to care for a mother, while pressing, is not necessarily enough to outweigh a breach in residency obligation.

Your children are not Canadian PR nor Canadian citizens. Unless you have substantial proof that their quality of life will be significantly better in Canada, it's not H&C grounds.

Unfortunately, you made a choice to leave Canada because you didn't like the weather. Thinking about things differently four years later is not necessarily humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

What you're now proposing to do would require you to:

- Fly to Canada on an EU passport
- In Canada, apply for PR card renewal
- During the renewal, be reported for PR RO breach
- Receive notice of breach of RO
- Appeal
- Make the case that the weather was a compelling reason to be absent from Canada for nearly four years, and that the myth of Ireland killing children is H&C grounds for your non-PR and non-citizen children to weigh on you and your wife's application to waive the RO.

I read an IAD decision about a man from Iraq who returned to Iraq to renew his passport, who then received a travel restriction from the government of Iraq. He tried to argue this was a clear and compelling reason he couldn't meet his PR obligation - but his application was denied.

I struggle with understanding situations like yours. A permanent residence is supposed to be for permanent residence. Canada recognizes that sometimes you need to leave Canada, to earn money or care for other family. That's why the obligation is so low - it's 730 days out of five years. 40% of the time. In your case, you clearly decided you did not like Canada, availed yourself of another citizenship, and have remained away from Canada for nearly 80% of the reference period.

I don't think you have a case.
 

scylla

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If they are not PRs in Canada, you will need to pay for tuition for them to attend school in Canada, as well.

Insurance would only cover emergencies, and would not cover regular checkups. A $200 per annum fee for insurance is very small. You can anticipate paying more than that in Canada.

The suggestion that medical care in Ireland will kill children is laughable unless you have proof that this is a rampant, ongoing problem. Spoiler alert, it's probably not.

Here's the problem, and you can see it in many IAD cases: you chose to leave Canada without compelling reasons. You are in significant breach of your residence obligation. Without clear and compelling reasons for humanitarian and compassionate grounds, any appeal that you may make if you can make it back to Canada will be rejected.

Read some IAD decisions. The IAD considers a breach in RO of 80 days as "very significant." You are likely in breach of your residency obligation in the order of almost four years. You did not have a solid reason for leaving Canada - the IAD has even considered that leaving Canada to care for a mother, while pressing, is not necessarily enough to outweigh a breach in residency obligation.

Your children are not Canadian PR nor Canadian citizens. Unless you have substantial proof that their quality of life will be significantly better in Canada, it's not H&C grounds.

Unfortunately, you made a choice to leave Canada because you didn't like the weather. Thinking about things differently four years later is not necessarily humanitarian and compassionate grounds.

What you're now proposing to do would require you to:

- Fly to Canada on an EU passport
- In Canada, apply for PR card renewal
- During the renewal, be reported for PR RO breach
- Receive notice of breach of RO
- Appeal
- Make the case that the weather was a compelling reason to be absent from Canada for nearly four years, and that the myth of Ireland killing children is H&C grounds for your non-PR and non-citizen children to weigh on you and your wife's application to waive the RO.

I read an IAD decision about a man from Iraq who returned to Iraq to renew his passport, who then received a travel restriction from the government of Iraq. He tried to argue this was a clear and compelling reason he couldn't meet his PR obligation - but his application was denied.

I struggle with understanding situations like yours. A permanent residence is supposed to be for permanent residence. Canada recognizes that sometimes you need to leave Canada, to earn money or care for other family. That's why the obligation is so low - it's 730 days out of five years. 40% of the time. In your case, you clearly decided you did not like Canada, availed yourself of another citizenship, and have remained away from Canada for nearly 80% of the reference period.

I don't think you have a case.
Just to add - It's impossible for the OP to fly to Canada directly. OP has to fly to the US and then re-enter Canada by land.
 

scylla

VIP Member
Jun 8, 2010
92,928
20,540
Toronto
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-05-2010
AOR Received.
19-08-2010
File Transfer...
28-06-2010
Passport Req..
01-10-2010
VISA ISSUED...
05-10-2010
LANDED..........
05-10-2010
OP has European passports, can he not enter on those? Or will a name match raise the PR status when applying for ETA?
No - he cannot. He needs an ETA to travel to Canada directly. PRs do not qualify for ETAs.
 
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k.h.p.

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Here's a case that has some similarities: https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/irb/doc/2018/2018canlii138816/2018canlii138816.html

The appellant (PR with RO breach) had landed in 2014. Left Canada after 66 days. Returned to home country to practice medicine to support the family.

Family returned to Canada in 2017 to establish itself, appellant remained in home country practicing medicine. Family became established, living life in Canada.

Appellant, who had remained in home country, was reported for RO breach. The IAD decided that the reason for absence from Canada - working as a physician to support family in Canada - was not compelling enough to overcome the RO breach. The hardship of separation of the two children from the appellant was not enough to overcome the RO breach.

Now consider your case:
  • No compelling reason to leave Canada
  • No children in Canada to be separated from
  • No attempt to establish in Canada until you changed your mind
What conclusions would you draw?
 

k.h.p.

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My smartphone corrects the text itself. I did not mean that "kill." Sorry for the spelling
Hurt how? You're going to need a lot more than a spurious assertion that medical practice in Ireland "hurts" children to suggest that there are H&C grounds for non-PR non-citizen children to be a reason to waive a PR parent's flagrant breach of the RO.
 

Vadym1977

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Corrected the mistake. I wrote about the weather as a cumulative circumstance, everything was “like a snowball”. I have a business in Europe, for which I needed care + a lot of components. But I better tell a lawyer, I think. I received advice and paid and free of charge, from more than 10 lawyers. Opinions are divided.
 

k.h.p.

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From the case I linked above:
If the family choses to be together in Iran, the children would be returning to the country where they lived all their lives until 2017. They would be in the family home with both their parents.
 

Vadym1977

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If they already deprive me of the status of PR, then I will issue it through a work permit. Because everything is known in comparison. And at the moment we realized that then made a stupid mistake.
 

k.h.p.

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If they already deprive me of the status of PR, then I will issue it through a work permit. Because everything is known in comparison. And at the moment we realized that then made a stupid mistake.
You won't be deprived of PR status until either (1) you are reported for a breach of RO, which you can appeal and lawyers can assist you in advancing a case, or (2) you voluntarily renounce it.
 

Vadym1977

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Lawyers are different. Strong experts and weak in the business. And the ways to solve this case may be different for different lawyers. Therefore, I am looking for an excellent specialist in this matter. Ready several times more financially than it is standard.
 

k.h.p.

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That sounds so close to corrupt intention - "I'll pay you considerably more than standard if you solve my problem of abandoning my PR status."

Whatever you do, don't settle for the likes of a New Can Consulting company.

Try calling the law firm that hosts this forum.
 
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