PR Application for 2 child returned, plz need help understand why and what they need now?

[Yorker13]

Hi,

I am a PR living and working in Canada ,my wife and son also have a PR but they live in UAE ,we had 2 new born daughters who dont have a PR status in Canada, i would like to sponsor them so my family can rejoin me in Canada.

unfortunately the application to sponsor my 2 child daughters was returned back to me for incomplete documents,


1- they asked for police clearance for all accompying family memebrs!
my 3 kids are under 18, so that leave only my wife, so shall we provide only police clearance for my wife only?

2- IMM5669 Background Schedule A,
they say it is not provided for principal applicant and not signed?

i dont understand the document is included and i printed my daughters name under signature and i signed it on her behalf

or shall i put my name then sign it? ......plz explain?

3- the payment receipt is included in the application, shall i make new payment or just send the updated application using the old payment receipt.

4- IMM 5606 Declaration from non accompying parent?

in the document check list, i selected NO to this requirement as my wife will accompany our kids if they approve the family sponsorship application, and i am the sponsor in canada,

now who they exactly mean by non-accompying parent that need to provide IMM 5604, if its my wife, then does she need to sign on that IMM 5604 or only me as i am the sponsor and she have her PR .

thx all

my wife is outside of Canada, and

 

[Wakki]

2.) IMM5669 - Schedule A

Refer......Sponsorship Guide.....Schedule A – Background/Declaration (IMM 5669)

If this form is being provided for a principal applicant who is the dependent child of a sponsor, and who is under the age of 18, the sponsor or another legal guardian must sign the form on the dependent child’s behalf.

3.) You don't have to pay twice......Send the updated application using the old payment receipt

4.) IMM5606 Declaration from non-accompanying parent.

In the dependent child sponsorship checklist...... Part A...6...you should select YES....your child the PA who is under 18 will receive PR visa.....and provide the support documents for.....Principal Applicant.

Your wife the other parent has PR and cannot be an immigrant to Canada........and not accompanying your child as an immigrant to Canada.....and as required in the checklist.....the other parent, your wife must demonstrate she has no objection to your child migrating to Canada.....and will advice that your wife complete the form.........Refer.....Sponsorship Guide........If you’re sponsoring dependent children

• If sponsoring a dependent child (under the age of 18) and they have another parent who is not immigrating to Canada, the parent/guardian applying from Canada must submit a signed copy of the IMM5604 Declaration From Non-Accompanying Parent/Guardian For Minors Immigrating to Canada

 

[Yorker13]

2.) IMM5669 - Schedule A

Refer......Sponsorship Guide.....Schedule A – Background/Declaration (IMM 5669)

If this form is being provided for a principal applicant who is the dependent child of a sponsor, and who is under the age of 18, the sponsor or another legal guardian must sign the form on the dependent child’s behalf.

I did put my signature as the father,i.e, the sponsor , put i printed my daughter's name next to my signature, shall i put my own name next to my signature instead


4.) IMM5606 Declaration from non-accompanying parent.

In the dependent child sponsorship checklist...... Part A...6...you should select YES....your child the PA who is under 18 will receive PR visa.....and provide the support documents for.....Principal Applicant.

Your wife the other parent has PR and cannot be an immigrant to Canada........and not accompanying your child as an immigrant to Canada.....and as required in the checklist.....the other parent, your wife must demonstrate she has no objection to your child migrating to Canada.....and will advice that your wife complete the form.........Refer.....Sponsorship Guide........If you’re sponsoring dependent children

• If sponsoring a dependent child (under the age of 18) and they have another parent who is not immigrating to Canada, the parent/guardian applying from Canada must submit a signed copy of the IMM5604 Declaration From Non-Accompanying Parent/Guardian For Minors Immigrating to Canada

I am bit confused, who should fill the IMM5604, my wife is with my kids outside canada, if PR is granted to our daughters, my wife and son who have PR cards will travel all together to come to canada, its not logic for 3 and 4 years old children to travel a lone.

the title says non-accompying parent, my wife will travel with our kids, and since i am in canada as the sponsor, shall i be the one who isfilling and submitting this document.

if my wife is the one who will fill it, can she fill it and scan it then send it to me by email, then i will print it and submit it, is that acceptable or the signature need to be a real life signature.

same question for the notary public, is a scanned copy accepted or my wife has to send it by UPS courier



last question, for IMM1344, as the sponsor of a child do i have to put my name and signature twice,once in the sponsor area, then in the princap applicant area.

Thank you wakki

 

[canuck_in_uk]

1- they asked for police clearance for all accompying family memebrs!
my 3 kids are under 18, so that leave only my wife, so shall we provide only police clearance for my wife only?

2- IMM5669 Background Schedule A,
they say it is not provided for principal applicant and not signed?

i dont understand the document is included and i printed my daughters name under signature and i signed it on her behalf

or shall i put my name then sign it? ......plz explain?

3- the payment receipt is included in the application, shall i make new payment or just send the updated application using the old payment receipt.

4- IMM 5606 Declaration from non accompying parent?

in the document check list, i selected NO to this requirement as my wife will accompany our kids if they approve the family sponsorship application, and i am the sponsor in canada,

now who they exactly mean by non-accompying parent that need to provide IMM 5604, if its my wife, then does she need to sign on that IMM 5604 or only me as i am the sponsor and she have her PR .

thx all

my wife is outside of Canada, and

As you are sponsoring 2 children, you needed to send an application for each child. Did you do that?

1. The request for PCCs is generic. You do not submit any for your children. Your wife is not a part of the application and does NOT submit a PCC.

2. As stated on the checklist, you need to type the child's name in the signature box, validate, print and then sign yourself. Did you do that?

3. Same receipt is fine. Did you pay fees for both applications?

4. As stated on the checklist, you don't need an IMM5604 if your wife is listed as a co-signer on IMM1344. Otherwise, you need the form.

 

[Yorker13]

As you are sponsoring 2 children, you needed to send an application for each child. Did you do that?

1. The request for PCCs is generic. You do not submit any for your children. Your wife is not a part of the application and does NOT submit a PCC.
The application was sent withtout any PCC,but now they say its mandatory.anyhow my wife sent me scanned copy of her new PCC but not for the kids,is that acceptable?

2. As stated on the checklist, you need to type the child's name in the signature box, validate, print and then sign yourself. Did you do that?

that is exactly what i did, i put my daughter's full name ,validated,printed the put my signature next to my daughter's name.

maybe they mean to put my name in the box,validate,print, then sign

3. Same receipt is fine. Did you pay fees for both applications?

yes ,300 CAD$

4. As stated on the checklist, you don't need an IMM5604 if your wife is listed as a co-signer on IMM1344. Otherwise, you need the form.

My wife is not a cosigner, so if she has to fill this document then notorize it, is it acceptable if she send me a scanned copy of it, since she is outside canada with the kids

 

[canuck_in_uk]

1. The application was sent withtout any PCC,but now they say its mandatory.anyhow my wife sent me scanned copy of her new PCC but not for the kids,is that acceptable?

2. that is exactly what i did, i put my daughter's full name ,validated,printed the put my signature next to my daughter's name.

maybe they mean to put my name in the box,validate,print, then sign

4. My wife is not a cosigner, so if she has to fill this document then notorize it, is it acceptable if she send me a scanned copy of it, since she is outside canada with the kids

1. Again, this is a generic request. It does not apply to your children. Your wife is NOT included in the application and does not submit a PCC.

2. It specifically says to put your child's name, so no, don't put your name. You did it as per the instructions for both kids' forms?

4. Or choose the far simpler option to just list her as a cosigner....

 

[Yorker13]

2. It specifically says to put your child's name, so no, don't put your name. You did it as per the instructions for both kids' forms?
yes for both kid's form, each one have her seperate forms.
very strange, i am afraid to send it as is and risk the chance to be return again, any other idea please?

4. Or choose the far simpler option to just list her as a cosigner....

The issue of listing my wife as a co-signer is that her PR card will expire next month and the process of child sponsorship will take 10 months by the time cic process the file will find my wife's pr under question as she didnt meet her RO.
also i read that to sponsor a family member, the sponsor should be inside canada which is not the case of my wife.

is the above perceiption correct, or i can list her as co-signer.

either case, my wife need to put her signature on the forms, can she scan the form with her signature then send it to me, is that acceptable?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

yes for both kid's form, each one have her seperate forms.
very strange, i am afraid to send it as is and risk the chance to be return again, any other idea please?

The issue of listing my wife as a co-signer is that her PR card will expire next month and the process of child sponsorship will take 10 months by the time cic process the file will find my wife's pr under question as she didnt meet her RO.
also i read that to sponsor a family member, the sponsor should be inside canada which is not the case of my wife.

is the above perceiption correct, or i can list her as co-signer.

either case, my wife need to put her signature on the forms, can she scan the form with her signature then send it to me, is that acceptable?

Turn off the red.

Attach a letter with the IMM5669 showing that you followed the instructions as per the checklist.

If she doesn't meet the RO, don't list her. She needs to send an original notarized IMM5604; a scan is not acceptable.

I hope you are aware that her PR status is likely to be revoked. She will need to apply for a PRTD to travel to Canada and without any compelling H&C grounds, it will be refused and her status revoked. If she has a US visa, she could try entering through the Canada-US border but with an expired PR card, is likely to be reported, leading to revocation of status. Assuming your first child doesn't meet the RO, he is in the same situation.

 

[Yorker13]

Turn off the red.

Attach a letter with the IMM5669 showing that you followed the instructions as per the checklist.

If she doesn't meet the RO, don't list her. She needs to send an original notarized IMM5604; a scan is not acceptable.

I hope you are aware that her PR status is likely to be revoked. She will need to apply for a PRTD to travel to Canada and without any compelling H&C grounds, it will be refused and her status revoked. If she has a US visa, she could try entering through the Canada-US border but with an expired PR card, is likely to be reported, leading to revocation of status. Assuming your first child doesn't meet the RO, he is in the same situation.

why would my son's PR be in danger,he is minor and didnt have any choice ,i was thinking to renew his PR card,although he didnt meet RO,but he was with his mother.

which is better if CIC revoke PR status or if someone' denounce their PR status.

in worst case scenrio, i was thinking if my wife and son cancel their pr status, then i can apply to sponsor them again including my daughters,
but i am afraid CIC will reject giving them PR since they didnt compy with the RO requirement the first 5 years, what u think?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

why would my son's PR be in danger,he is minor and didnt have any choice ,i was thinking to renew his PR card,although he didnt meet RO,but he was with his mother.

which is better if CIC revoke PR status or if someone' denounce their PR status.

in worst case scenrio, i was thinking if my wife and son cancel their pr status, then i can apply to sponsor them again including my daughters,
but i am afraid CIC will reject giving them PR since they didnt compy with the RO requirement the first 5 years, what u think?

He is still far too young to argue his rights for being removed as a child. That argument really only applies to PRs removed as children who are attempting to return to Canada of their own volition as adults. You made the choice to remove him and you are making the choice for him to return.

It doesn't matter.

As your daughters' apps will already be done, you will have to sponsor them separately. The fact that they did not comply with the RO will not affect a new app.