PGP 2020

[MaryLou6]

in the general form IMM0008, in the question re intended occupation - should my parents indicated 'retired'? they are now praising lawyers in Poland and they are not intending on working in Canada and will live off their savings from their home country.

thanks!

 

[Binree]

Hi expert ,
I got PGP invitaion letter from cic ,

I saw lot of form ,i am so confused about form, i saw a photo require , who' s photo need thats my photo or my parent photo please help me for this matter ? Thank you

 

[cheire]

The whole point is to ensure that the Parents and Grandparents will not become a burden to the social welfare system in Canada. They are not going to be of benefit to Canada as they are retired/ close to retirement age. If it is not ensured that they have enough money to support themselves/ that their sponsor has enough to support them, then admitting parents and grandparents becomes costly to Canada. Every other immigration stream requires a proof of income/ assets, even the refugee sponsorship. Why should this one be any different? The LICO cut offs are not enough to support someone through their senior years. What if then need to go into Long Term Care - how can you afford that on the current LICOs?

Whether we like it or not, money is the main driving force behind immigration.

well, everybody know that what you said that's why they have LICO and it is made by immigration, that template mainly focuses on having more money, but right now only people can apply who have enough income so that point shouldn't be in the template because it is already good, if we are saying it should be more money then person who is saying that definitely makes more money than LICO and will have a better chance just cause of money, which is not right
This family program does not focuses on money it focuses on reuniting families that is why number is low for PGP applications because mostly parents are retired and they are not working

 

[cheire]

Hi expert ,
I got PGP invitaion letter from cic ,

I saw lot of form ,i am so confused about form, i saw a photo require , who' s photo need thats my photo or my parent photo please help me for this matter ? Thank you

I think only parents people who you are trying to sponsor

 

[TicTocCroc]

well, everybody know that what you said that's why they have LICO and it is made by immigration, that template mainly focuses on having more money, but right now only people can apply who have enough income so that point shouldn't be in the template because it is already good, if we are saying it should be more money then person who is saying that definitely makes more money than LICO and will have a better chance just cause of money, which is not right
This family program does not focuses on money it focuses on reuniting families that is why number is low for PGP applications because mostly parents are retired and they are not working

1. I was asked to share my email. It is not a 'template.' No one is forcing you to send this to your MP. I have sent it because I believe that the points in it are valid, and I clearly stated at the start of my post that these were my opinions only. I also said people were free to use and edit accordingly. if you don't agree then don't email your MP.

2. As sponsors, we have to commit to supporting our parents for the next 20 years. If you make the current LICO values, you are unlikely to be able to fulfil this commitment. If you make more, then you are more likely to be able to fulfil this commitment. Assets of parents should also be considered. The family program has to focus on money because the parents do not have a working career ahead of them to be able to pay taxes and therefore qualify for social assistance. The Government does not want to admit a load of people who will be a financial burden. The purpose of immigration is financial prosperity of the country. The Government allow people to sponsor their parents based on the fact that more people are likely to stay and be profitable to the country if they can bring their parents here. Otherwise, they stay a few years, make some good money and leave.

3. You had to prove your assets and work experience to be able to come to Canada in the first place. The more you had, the more points you got. Why should you not have to prove that you meet the LICO at the notification of interest stage?

4. My main point in the email is that many people submit a notification of interest and do not meet the LICO requirement. I meet the LICO and should therefore have a better chance in the draw than they do, but I do not. The chance in the draw is not based on proving income, and it should be.

 

[nayr69sg]

1. I was asked to share my email. It is not a 'template.' No one is forcing you to send this to your MP. I have sent it because I believe that the points in it are valid, and I clearly stated at the start of my post that these were my opinions only. I also said people were free to use and edit accordingly. if you don't agree then don't email your MP.

2. As sponsors, we have to commit to supporting our parents for the next 20 years. If you make the current LICO values, you are unlikely to be able to fulfil this commitment. If you make more, then you are more likely to be able to fulfil this commitment. Assets of parents should also be considered. The family program has to focus on money because the parents do not have a working career ahead of them to be able to pay taxes and therefore qualify for social assistance. The Government does not want to admit a load of people who will be a financial burden. The purpose of immigration is financial prosperity of the country. The Government allow people to sponsor their parents based on the fact that more people are likely to stay and be profitable to the country if they can bring their parents here. Otherwise, they stay a few years, make some good money and leave.

3. You had to prove your assets and work experience to be able to come to Canada in the first place. The more you had, the more points you got. Why should you not have to prove that you meet the LICO at the notification of interest stage?

4. My main point in the email is that many people submit a notification of interest and do not meet the LICO requirement. I meet the LICO and should therefore have a better chance in the draw than they do, but I do not. The chance in the draw is not based on proving income, and it should be.

I appreciate your points too.

back in 2017 I suggested same. It kind of makes sense doesnt it? The worry is parents would be a financial burden to Canada. So get parents who have money, have assets, have skills to start businesses and would be less of a risk as a burden. After all that's what we do with skilled migrants and Express Entry right?

Well guess what. Canadians say favoring the rich and wealthy and skilled is elitist. That is un-Canadian.

Sorry man. You argument isn't going to fly well with your MP. Especially if he or she is a Liberal MP. Even worse if they are NDP. Even if they are Conservative they will also not want to endorse such a criteria openly. It is bad optics in Canada.

 

[cheire]

I appreciate your points too.

back in 2017 I suggested same. It kind of makes sense doesnt it? The worry is parents would be a financial burden to Canada. So get parents who have money, have assets, have skills to start businesses and would be less of a risk as a burden. After all that's what we do with skilled migrants and Express Entry right?

Well guess what. Canadians say favoring the rich and wealthy and skilled is elitist. That is un-Canadian.

Sorry man. You argument isn't going to fly well with your MP. Especially if he or she is a Liberal MP. Even worse if they are NDP. Even if they are Conservative they will also not want to endorse such a criteria openly. It is bad optics in Canada.

That is my point, it is not very Canadian, Canadian is brining families together but unfortunately every system Government try is failing, so if someone has an idea which is fair to everybody despite more money or luck, everybody will help you promote that but none of us or Government is coming up with that idea

 

[TicTocCroc]

I appreciate your points too.

back in 2017 I suggested same. It kind of makes sense doesnt it? The worry is parents would be a financial burden to Canada. So get parents who have money, have assets, have skills to start businesses and would be less of a risk as a burden. After all that's what we do with skilled migrants and Express Entry right?

Well guess what. Canadians say favoring the rich and wealthy and skilled is elitist. That is un-Canadian.

Sorry man. You argument isn't going to fly well with your MP. Especially if he or she is a Liberal MP. Even worse if they are NDP. Even if they are Conservative they will also not want to endorse such a criteria openly. It is bad optics in Canada.

My MP has already responded and said I raised some very valid points, and that she is aware that it is a flawed program.

The cost of long term care in Ontario is approx $32000 a year. Two parents and you have already passed the LICO. I'm not being elitist, I am being practical. I live in Ontario. Ontarians say that favouring the rich and wealthy is called Doug Ford, and they voted him in.

All totally moot points anyway, as the Gov will do what they want. The won't act on any petitions/ suggestions, it just helps to make those of us who are repeatedly losing out to people who chance a place in the draw and don't meet the LICO feel like we are doing something.

Also - I'm not a man!

 

[cheire]

My MP has already responded and said I raised some very valid points, and that she is aware that it is a flawed program.

The cost of long term care in Ontario is approx $32000 a year. Two parents and you have already passed the LICO. I'm not being elitist, I am being practical. I live in Ontario. Ontarians say that favouring the rich and wealthy is called Doug Ford, and they voted him in.

All totally moot points anyway, as the Gov will do what they want. The won't act on any petitions/ suggestions, it just helps to make those of us who are repeatedly losing out to people who chance a place in the draw and don't meet the LICO feel like we are doing something.

Also - I'm not a man!

Well, then I'll have to right an email about reuniting families to my MP too

 

[nayr69sg]

My MP has already responded and said I raised some very valid points, and that she is aware that it is a flawed program.

The cost of long term care in Ontario is approx $32000 a year. Two parents and you have already passed the LICO. I'm not being elitist, I am being practical. I live in Ontario. Ontarians say that favouring the rich and wealthy is called Doug Ford, and they voted him in.

All totally moot points anyway, as the Gov will do what they want. The won't act on any petitions/ suggestions, it just helps to make those of us who are repeatedly losing out to people who chance a place in the draw and don't meet the LICO feel like we are doing something.

Also - I'm not a man!

Oops my bad. Sorry I realize it is very un-Canadian to call everyone bro or man too. My apologies .

Ontario voted Liberals Federally though.

I was very happy with FIFO and I got a spot through that in 2019. Thank goodness.

I am disappointed that those lawsuits happened and the government basically just let those lawyers get what they wanted. So you guys are back to lottery where really there is nothing to discuss about how to improve your chances. nothing for you to do. To try harder. To work harder. To be a better candidate. To fight for your family.

Nothing.

enter the lottery.

Wow.

Can you imagine if immigrants came to Canada and lived on the dole and we all said oh my plan is to just buy Lotto Max every week and see if I win.

 

[nayr69sg]

What I cannot understand is why people can so outright say it is unfair for successful people with good jobs, good resources, good families to be given more priority to reunite with their parents in Canada?

It is unfair.

So is it unfair that some immigrants come to Canada and are highly successful? They shouldnt right? it's not fair they are so successful!

It's the socialist underbelly of Canada speaking.

 

[screech339]

Ontario voted Liberals Federally though.

Ontario didn't vote Liberals Federally. It was the GTA that voted the Liberals in the last election. The rest of Ontario mainly went Conservative.

 

[nayr69sg]

Ontario didn't vote Liberals Federally. It was the GTA that voted the Liberals in the last election. The rest of Ontario mainly went Conservative.

Good enough to help Trudeau to power.

 

[laxsun]

Hi expert ,
I got PGP invitaion letter from cic ,

I saw lot of form ,i am so confused about form, i saw a photo require , who' s photo need thats my photo or my parent photo please help me for this matter ? Thank you

Take some time to understand all forms and requirements. If not consult an immigration lawyer.

 

[screech339]

Good enough to help Trudeau to power.

And look where they got us. Broke pretty much every promises made, debt soaring, and add many scandals to boot. Harper's predictions of what would happen under Trudeau government came true.

The only credit I give the Trudeau government is putting PGP under lottery system. Probably the only thing they did right when it comes to fairness.