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[ts2023]

It didn't turn out the way Canuck wanted. He's struggling right now

 

[abff08f4813c]

It didn't turn out the way Canuck wanted. He's struggling right now

I think we all want the same thing really - a magic wand that we can wave that will

- Ensure that genuine refugees get to stay in Canada as full PRs or citizens and their dependents get to come
- Ensure that there's enough housing and jobs for both the above folks as well as all the native-born Canadian citizens
- Ensure that funds are used wisely and efficiently in support of the above

The problem is this magic wand doesn't exist, and therefore some (potentially very painful) compromising is required.

If it was only people already in Canada that likely wouldn’t be a big issues

Ah, okay. For some reason I had thought even this would be a problem (as it similarly is a problem in creating a pathway for current international students and foreign workers who can't meet the bar for EE draws to stay).

Assume predicted there is now outrage about the one time programs that weren’t included in the levels plan. If it was only people already in Canada that likely wouldn’t be a big issues but many have dependents outside of Canada. Government is stuck in a hard place.

Eep. You're right. So from https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...pplementary-immigration-levels-2026-2028.html we have this text, emphasis mine:

> the Government is implementing a one-time initiative over a two-year period to streamline the transition of approximately 115,000 Protected Persons in Canada who are already on a pathway to permanent residence
Basically it sounds like the one-time thing only applies to folks who are already in Canada, thus excluding any dependents still overseas. I agree that the gov't is in a hard place now - I can see this getting quite ugly real soon.

Place to intervene was before people arrived and to reduce levels of refugees coming from abroad which still remains high so will keep creating backlogs. The math doesn’t math.

Or... open enough spots to meet the current high levels coming in. But yeah, I agree the current mismatch doesn't make much sense.

It is very hard to deal with the asylum seeker, protected person refugee volume issue.

Yeah but that's kind of a world problem. As per https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/figures-glance there are over 42.5 million refugees globally, so more than the entire population of Canada.

I love that Canada is such a great place and so welcoming to the refugees that come here. But it should be obvious that Canada's too small to take every last one of these deserving folks in.

 

[canuck78]

It didn't turn out the way Canuck wanted. He's struggling right now

A she but given nothing has actually happened and as predicted there is now outrage about hiding the one time programs I am waiting to see what actually happens and not what is proposed. Also waiting to see what happens with bill c-12. There is no good solution to solve the major immigration issues created under Trudeau gvt especially under Sean Fraser. It’s sad to see how much blatant racism has resulted from poor longterm immigration planning and how much the attitude towards immigration has changed in Canada. Wish the governent would just rip off the bandaid and make some very tough reforms. The faster that is done the faster things can get better and people can regain the trust in our immigration system. So far no sign Diab is willing or able to this as a minister.

 

[canuck78]

I think we all want the same thing really - a magic wand that we can wave that will

- Ensure that genuine refugees get to stay in Canada as full PRs or citizens and their dependents get to come
- Ensure that there's enough housing and jobs for both the above folks as well as all the native-born Canadian citizens
- Ensure that funds are used wisely and efficiently in support of the above

The problem is this magic wand doesn't exist, and therefore some (potentially very painful) compromising is required.

Ah, okay. For some reason I had thought even this would be a problem (as it similarly is a problem in creating a pathway for current international students and foreign workers who can't meet the bar for EE draws to stay).

Eep. You're right. So from https://www.canada.ca/en/immigratio...pplementary-immigration-levels-2026-2028.html we have this text, emphasis mine:

> the Government is implementing a one-time initiative over a two-year period to streamline the transition of approximately 115,000 Protected Persons in Canada who are already on a pathway to permanent residence
Basically it sounds like the one-time thing only applies to folks who are already in Canada, thus excluding any dependents still overseas. I agree that the gov't is in a hard place now - I can see this getting quite ugly real soon.

Or... open enough spots to meet the current high levels coming in. But yeah, I agree the current mismatch doesn't make much sense.

Yeah but that's kind of a world problem. As per https://www.unhcr.org/about-unhcr/overview/figures-glance there are over 42.5 million refugees globally, so more than the entire population of Canada.

I love that Canada is such a great place and so welcoming to the refugees that come here. But it should be obvious that Canada's too small to take every last one of these deserving folks in.

Yes there is a worldwide refugees crisis. Was referring to the volume of asylum seekers, refugees, protected people and their dependents in Canada or scheduled to arrive in Canada over the next 3 years. There is no indication that IRCC is trying to do any realistic longterm planning. There current target plans will just keep creating large backlogs and the system is costing a fortune. Based on current plans IRCC would have to keep doing “one time” bulk approvals every few years because they haven’t made adjustments to reduce the number of people coming into Canada. The math still doesn’t math. Also doesn’t leave any room for any other major humanitarian events/wars which isn’t realistic.

 

[abff08f4813c]

Also doesn’t leave any room for any other major humanitarian events/wars which isn’t realistic.

I am incredibly sad to agree with you on this point. But, agreed.

Yes there is a worldwide refugees crisis. Was referring to the volume of asylum seekers, refugees, protected people and their dependents in Canada or scheduled to arrive in Canada over the next 3 years.

But one influences the other, right? If the worldwide crisis wasn't as bad, there'd be less pressure on Canada to take in, and thus it'd be easier to ask to reduce the numbers. As it is....

There is no indication that IRCC is trying to do any realistic longterm planning. There current target plans will just keep creating large backlogs and the system is costing a fortune. Based on current plans IRCC would have to keep doing “one time” bulk approvals every few years because they haven’t made adjustments to reduce the number of people coming into Canada. The math still doesn’t math.

But of course there is also pressure - from certain voting constituents within Canada as well as international pressure from the outside - to avoid lowering these. As you noted earlier, this gov't is caught in a hard place.

Though I also am starting to lean on this being a case of funding. Canada has a total area of 9.985 million km squared, with the top half being 3.921443 m km sq (NWT being 1.346 m km sq, Nunavut 2.093 m km sq, and Yukon 482,443 km sq). So 40% of the area is in Canada's top half, but this has a population of about 133,033ish people (45,950 in NWT; 41,486 in Nunavut; 45,597 in Yukon) which is like 1/3 of 1% of Canada's population overall.

Canada obviously has space for lots more people - if only the funds were there to help Canada get those people settled in, into some of the more roomy parts of the country...