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Lawyer recommendations for medical inadmissibility?

canuckbr

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Hi, I'm in the same situation, with Chron's disease and using Humira. Now the CIC sent a Procedural Fairness letter regarding the medication cost.
Did you send additional information about your medication and how to support it without using the Canadian public health system?

Thanks! Very interesting:
 

Zoide

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Hi, I'm in the same situation, with Chron's disease and using Humira. Now the CIC sent a Procedural Fairness letter regarding the medication cost.
Did you send additional information about your medication and how to support it without using the Canadian public health system?
I'm sorry to hear that! I am at 88 days post-AOR and have not received anything yet. My application still says "Review of medical results: We are reviewing the results of your medical exam." Neither my doctor nor I have received any letters or requests for additional information.

How long post-AOR did it take for them to send you the letter? What is your overall timeline?

Have you thought about hiring a law firm that specializes in medical inadmissibility?

Thanks
 

canuckbr

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May 17, 2016
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Hi,

I'm not applying for PR, but for an Open Work Permit. I had my exams on July 4 and on July 21 I have received a letter from IRCC requiring more information about my condition.
Now, on August 17, another letter, now the Procedural Fairness, with the following terms.


I have determined that you are a person whose health condition might reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services. Pursuant to subsection 38(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, it appears that you may be inadmissible on health grounds. The regulatory definitions of these terms are attached.​

Now, I have scheduled an appointment with my physician to have alternative treatments. I have been using Humira for over 6 years, and now I and in remission. If this plan doesn't work, maybe I'll try the attorney, but I don't know if it is a good option for an OWP visa.
But, fingers cross, maybe both of us we gonna have good news!

I'm sorry to hear that! I am at 88 days post-AOR and have not received anything yet. My application still says "Review of medical results: We are reviewing the results of your medical exam." Neither my doctor nor I have received any letters or requests for additional information.

How long post-AOR did it take for them to send you the letter? What is your overall timeline?

Have you thought about hiring a law firm that specializes in medical inadmissibility?

Thanks
 

Unforgiveniiii

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What lawyers do people recommend for medical inadmissibility, and what would be the approximate costs?

I have Crohn's Disease and, while it is fully under control, I would like to be prepared in case my PR application gets rejected because of that.

The CanadaVisa.com folks recommened that I contact the Bellissimo Law Group, so I wrote to them to ask about their services and fees. Unfortunately, they said that I needed to pay $300 for a consultation to get more information. It's kind of hard to compare options when you have to pay so much just to get an approximate quote :(

Furthermore, I read the following in another thread which doesn't bode well:





[http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/complicated-case-looking-for-the-best-lawyer/-t399601.0.html]

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Hi, Did you find any lawyer? Can you forward me his information?
 

ash1969

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Thanks, but in my case diet is not a sufficient treatment. In fact, I was misdiagnosed with Celiac Disease and did a gluten-free diet for 3 years, with no improvement.

It was only after I was correctly diagnosed with Crohn's Disease and prescribed biologics (first Remicade, and now Humira), that I went into remission.

The thing is that biologics are quite pricey, and IRCC sets limits on people's monetary burden to the health system. I'm half expecting them to initially reject me, but then accept me if I present a good remediation plan (e.g., keep paying for my insurance in Costa Rica and go there every so often to get my medication).

I'm pretty positive about my chances, but I don't want to blow my chance of the "Canadian dream" by some silly mistake if a professional can advice me. Provided the cost is reasonable :)

How much time do people get to respond in case of medical inadmissibility? Would it be OK to hold off on getting a lawyer until (*if*) I get rejected? Or should I proactively start preparing for it?

My medical evaluation appointment is tomorrow morning. I'll follow people's advice and be upfront with the doctor to get his opinion.

Thanks
Hi
Did you pass the medical?
Rgds
 

CanAm2020

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Nov 30, 2019
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Hi, I'm in the same situation, with Chron's disease and using Humira. Now the CIC sent a Procedural Fairness letter regarding the medication cost.
Did you send additional information about your medication and how to support it without using the Canadian public health system?
Hi! I see this post is from Aug 2017. Can you please let me know how your PR journey turned out to be? My husband has Crohn's disease and I am curious to learn how things go from here?
 

smash1984

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Oct 7, 2018
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Hi, Did you find any lawyer? Can you forward me his information?
I found matkowski immigration law to be pretty good recently. I went with a friend recently. We had a one hour consultation for 350 dollars but my friend was at peace afterwards. It did seem like they do handle some tough cases, at least that is how it seemed talking to them. Worth a try imo and i think spending 350 dollars is worth it if it clearly shows you the path to canadian PR.
 

CanAm2020

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I found matkowski immigration law to be pretty good recently. I went with a friend recently. We had a one hour consultation for 350 dollars but my friend was at peace afterwards. It did seem like they do handle some tough cases, at least that is how it seemed talking to them. Worth a try imo and i think spending 350 dollars is worth it if it clearly shows you the path to canadian PR.
Thanks for responding @smash1984
 
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smash1984

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Thanks for responding @smash1984
you're welcome. I do know that 350 dollars for an hour is very expensive but i do think it is worth it. These guys deal with lots of tough cases and will be able to guide you regarding your chances and whether its worth pursuing PR.

You can also set up a skype session with them if you are unable to go their office in toronto. The matkowski guy was pretty friendly too.

Worth using the service one time to see your options. If you like them then you can probably use their service to build your case.
 

CanAm2020

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you're welcome. I do know that 350 dollars for an hour is very expensive but i do think it is worth it. These guys deal with lots of tough cases and will be able to guide you regarding your chances and whether its worth pursuing PR.

You can also set up a skype session with them if you are unable to go their office in toronto. The matkowski guy was pretty friendly too.

Worth using the service one time to see your options. If you like them then you can probably use their service to build your case.
@smash1984 I reside in the US so I would need a phone call probably. Good to learn that you have good things to say about the case. I will certainly reach out. Is it possible for us to have a private chat to discuss how you guys proceeded with the immigration process? Was the immigration process for you or your friend? Did the PR process complete successfully?
 

smash1984

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@smash1984 I reside in the US so I would need a phone call probably. Good to learn that you have good things to say about the case. I will certainly reach out. Is it possible for us to have a private chat to discuss how you guys proceeded with the immigration process? Was the immigration process for you or your friend? Did the PR process complete successfully?
The immigration process was not for me. It was for my friend. it wasn't a complicated case at all but we weren't so sure at all. During our conversation with the lawyer we found out where they actually add value. They best come in the picture when you need to make a case as to why CIC should not reject your application. Since they;ve been working in this area for a long time they know what things are able to sway CIC and what things don't.

Sure, you can message me in private but as i said the case with my friend wasn't complicated at all. We were just there for consulting for the future and see if these guys are actually worth the money they are paid. And I think they are worth it when your case is complicated (which could be for you).

So its best to spend 350 dollars for an initial one hour session to see what they think your chances are of making it.
 

CanAm2020

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The immigration process was not for me. It was for my friend. it wasn't a complicated case at all but we weren't so sure at all. During our conversation with the lawyer we found out where they actually add value. They best come in the picture when you need to make a case as to why CIC should not reject your application. Since they;ve been working in this area for a long time they know what things are able to sway CIC and what things don't.

Sure, you can message me in private but as i said the case with my friend wasn't complicated at all. We were just there for consulting for the future and see if these guys are actually worth the money they are paid. And I think they are worth it when your case is complicated (which could be for you).

So its best to spend 350 dollars for an initial one hour session to see what they think your chances are of making it.
Thanks a lot! I will go ahead and set up a call with the firm ASAP.
 

legalfalcon

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Any suggestions?

Thanks!
The average hourly rate of any lawyer on Toronto ranges between $250-1000 based on the number of years and specialisation of the lawyer. Searching for a lawyer and what they offer cannot be compared to walking into stores and checking out the products. You can simply search the cases on free databases and see how many cases the law firm or the lawyer has represented. If lawyers started giving free consultations, they would be swamped just doing that. Also, many elite lawyers charge a consultation fee to make it worth their time and get rid of non serious potential clients.

Unfortunately, the Canadian immigration DIY, especially the express entry makes people believe that immigration law is as easy as filing up forms and things just happen. Express entry is one of the many ways of immigration to Canada. Some lawyers don't even bother dealing with express entry applications. There is a whole field of immigration law, from refugee claims, spousal sponsorship, inadmissibility, deportation, etc. which needs specialised professionals. This is why consultants are not allowed to represent clients before the courts, since they have no knowledge of the legal procedure.

Bellissimo Law Group is the best law firm when it comes to medical inadmissibility and they are well regarded.

However, if you believe that your are inadmissible based on the law, then you should engage a lawyer and see what they have to say. The law on medical inadmissibility is very straight forward.

Section A38(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act states:

Health Grounds

• 38(1) A foreign national is inadmissible on health grounds if their health condition

(a) is likely to be a danger to public health;

(b) is likely to be a danger to public safety; or

(c) might reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on health or social services.

Danger to public health
For inadmissibility under the ‘Public Health’ factor, it is evaluated whether the applicant is affected or carries any communicable disease; and the impact that the disease could have on other persons living in Canada. (R31(b-c)).

The conditions which are likely to be a danger to public health are, active Pulmonary Tuberculosis (TB) and untreated Syphilis. If the applicant has either or both of these conditions, they will likely be found inadmissible on the grounds of danger to public safety, unless the applicant is treated according to the standards laid down by Health Canada. Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is not considered a danger to public health.

Public Safety
For inadmissibility under ‘Public Safety,’ the risk of a sudden incapacity or of unpredictable or violent behaviour of the applicant that would create a danger to the health or safety of persons living in Canada is considered. (R33(b))

Conditions that are likely to cause a danger to public safety include serious uncontrolled and/or uncontrollable mental health problems such as:

  • certain impulsive sociopathic behaviour disorders;
  • some aberrant sexual disorders such as pedophilia;
  • certain paranoid states or some organic brain syndromes associated with violence or risk of harm to others;
  • applicants with substance abuse leading to antisocial behaviours such as violence, and impaired driving; and
  • other types of hostile, disruptive behaviour.
For both these factors listed above, ‘Public Health’ and ‘Public Safety’ the wealth of the applicants is irrelevant. The Supreme Court of Canada in Hilewitz v. Canada, 2005 SCC ¶ 88 held that, “[t]he chief responsibility of the medical officer in such cases is to assess the danger to public health or safety. Wealth, regardless of how rich the applicant is, is irrelevant to this assessment.”

Most applicants are inadmissible under the Excessive demand on health and social services
Even in a scenario where the applicant may not have any communicable disease and may not be a threat to public safety, if the applicant suffers from any medical condition, which is likely to place excessive demand on health and social services, will render the applicant medically inadmissible. Section 1 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations(IRPR) defines “excessive demand” as

  • a demand on health services or social services for which the anticipated costs would likely exceed average Canadian per capita health services and social services costs over a period of five consecutive years immediately following the most recent medical examination required under paragraph 16(2)(b) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA), unless there is evidence that significant costs are likely to be incurred beyond that period, in which case the period is no more than 10 consecutive years; or

  • a demand on health services or social services that would add to existing waiting lists and would increase the rate of mortality and morbidity in Canada as a result of an inability to provide timely services to Canadian citizens or permanent residents.
6.3.1 Excessive demand on Health services
Section R1 defines “health services” as any health services for which the majority of funds are contributed by governments, including the services of family physicians, medical specialists, nurses, chiropractors and physiotherapists, laboratory services and the supply of pharmaceutical or hospital care. The case law has developed separate requirements for excessive demand on health services and excessive demand on social services. Since most health services are publicly funded, without any cost-recovery mechanism, the courts have held that an applicant’s willingness or ability to pay is not a relevant factor. In Deol v. Canada (M.C.I.), 2002 FCA 271, the Federal Court of Appeal said:

“The Minister has no power to admit a person as a permanent resident on the condition that the person either does not make a claim on the health insurance plans in the provinces or promises to reimburse the costs of any services required.”

However, in Companioni v. Canada (M.C.I.), 2009 FC 1315 and later cases, the Federal Court allowed some flexibility in assessing the applicant’s ability to defray the costs of outpatient medication, such as HIV antiretroviral therapy. Therefore, medical officers have to make an individualized assessment of the medical file, the required outpatient medication, the availability of private insurance and the ability to opt out of publicly funded drug plans in the province or territory where the applicant intends to reside.

6.3.2 Excessive demand on Health services
Section R1 defines “social services” as any social services, such as home care, specialized residence and residential services, special education services, social and vocational rehabilitation services, personal support services and the provision of devices related to those services,

  1. that are intended to assist a person in functioning physically, emotionally, socially, psychologically or vocationally; and
  2. for which the majority of the funding, including funding that provides direct or indirect financial support to an assisted person, is contributed by governments, either directly or through publicly-funded agencies.
In light of the Supreme Court decision in Hilewitz v. Canada (M.C.I.), De Jong v. Canada (M.C.I.) 2005 SCC 57, and subsequently the Federal Court of Appeal decision in Colaco v. Canada (M.C.I.), 2007 FCA 282, Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada (IRCC) officers must consider all evidence presented by an applicant before making a decision of inadmissibility due to excessive demand on social services. The judgments apply to all categories of immigrants.

In Hilewitz and De Jong, the Supreme Court determined that all applicants are entitled to an assessment of the probabledemand their disability or impairment might place on social services. The applicant is required to provide the officer with information of sufficient quality and detail to permit an assessment of the probable need for social services. In addition, the applicant may provide evidence of ability and intent to reduce the cost and impact on Canadian social services, and this would have to be considered in making a decision.

6.4 Cost threshold
The cost threshold is determined by multiplying the per capita cost of Canadian health and social services by the number of years used in the medical assessment for the individual applicant. This cost threshold is updated every year. For 2018, the value is $99,060 over 5 years (or $19,812 per year).

A more detailed discussion on how the cost threshold is calculated is provided https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/ircc/migration/ircc/english/pdf/pub/excessive-demand-report-eng.pdf

If you exceed the cost threshold, then you should definitely see a lawyer and ascertain if they can help.