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Same here! I have all proof of my trips.
1096. I’m certain about my days. I had a short trip to Europe and kept the flight ticket, put the dates from it.

I think they are just doing additional checks, because from what I see in other posts you get call into interview if you missed a trip. So the fact that we didn't get call for interviews is a good sign. Though it's kinda annoying you are still penalized for not having a buffer even though you kept your own good records.

Do let me know if you hear anything!
 
While this response is a bit late, the underlying physical presence and *buffer* issues are a salient subject being recently discussed in multiple threads, including a discussion today in a new thread titled "Stuck in Physical Presence." I will try to coordinate responses (I am very slow these days, so it may take some time).

This post is mostly about buffers.

In addition to what I discuss below about buffers, in particular, it is important to keep in mind that physical presence (PP) is a factual issue which in many cases will vary considerably from one applicant to another, the particular factual details in the specific case looming very large in how things go. Sometimes (but not always) PP is dominated by the numbers, which in turn are often (but again NOT always) dominated by exit-to-next-entry dates (or the other side of that coin, the entry-to-next-exit dates). In some cases documentation (evidence or proof) of actual physical presence can be a big factor apart from the numbers; that is, the strength of the evidence showing actual presence in-between a known date of entry and the next known date of exit can be an important part of the PP determination. (There is a reason why the citizenship application requires a complete accounting of address and activity/work history apart from travel history.)

Another note: there have been fewer and fewer anecdotal reports of applicants getting RQ'd; that is, it appears fewer applicant are being asked to submit information in a Residence Questionnaire with supporting documentation. Hard to know, but it appears that in more cases IRCC is conducting more extensive background checks itself, or by referral to CBSA, to verify PP, rather than issue RQ.


Since you applied with just 1096 days, it's quite possible your application has gone for secondary review which tends to create delays in processing. Not much you can do but wait.

Yea I figured the review was gonna happen. It's either wait a month before applying, or apply now and add a month-ish to processing time. So I figured it was the same. I am just surprise they have not contacted me for proof/travel docs, stamps or interviews. Scoping out the web board, I see people were asked for interviews and for passport stamps pretty early in the process, so I was surprised I was not invited that's all.

All my travels were via air, so I assume it will be all in the CBSA report they have anyways. Maybe it's just needing another set of eyes or two before approval.

I think they are just doing additional checks, because from what I see in other posts you get call into interview if you missed a trip. So the fact that we didn't get call for interviews is a good sign. Though it's kinda annoying you are still penalized for not having a buffer even though you kept your own good records.

There is no penalty for not having a buffer.

Applying with a buffer has some advantages, ranging from reducing the risk of extra or "nonroutine" processing resulting in longer processing times (from several months to many months, or even longer) to reducing the risk of negative outcomes.

Re How Much Buffer Generally: Many in this forum who encourage applying with a buffer suggest a week to ten days extra. More buffer than that is prudent in my view; a buffer of at least a month is probably OK for most applicants but some may want to consider significantly more buffer than that. How much buffer is a very personal question, how much depending on the individual's personal situation and history. For example: due to personal circumstances related to self-employment, and applying when just being self-employed greatly increased the risk of RQ, I waited to apply a full year after passing the physical presence threshold.

Re Impact of Non-routine Processing: The impact of any additional inquiries, investigations, or other non-routine processing, is not limited to how long it takes to do whatever additional tasks are involved. It is NOT about adding just a month to the processing time. The biggest impact on the processing time is how long an application sits in a queue before the next step is taken. For a task that literally takes just a half hour of a processing agent's time, the application can sit waiting in a queue for weeks or months, maybe several months, before a processing agent does that task. If there is a referral for additional inquiries, let alone a referral to CBSA for investigation, that can easily add many months or longer to the processing time, months during which the application is just sitting in a queue waiting for an agent to deal with it.


Reducing Risks Related To Error or Omission:

The most important advantage in having a buffer is reducing risks related to an error or omission that could affect whether the applicant has sufficiently established/proven they met (as of the day the application was made) the physical presence requirement. Applicants who keep meticulous records and are exceedingly careful can otherwise limit (perhaps eliminate entirely) the risk they made such an error or omission. That said, we all make mistakes. Many, it seems, make the mistake of being certain they made no mistakes.

This seems to be the main reason IRCC and many here encourage applicants wait to apply with a buffer. If the applicant makes a mistake that results in falling just one day short, that will result in that application being denied.

If, as is claimed here, the travel history the applicant reported in the application had no errors or omissions, there is a very low risk of this. This seems to tempt many, those who are fully confident in the completeness and accuracy of their travel history, to apply with little buffer (less than ten days even).

An applicant's certainty, however, does not guarantee there will be no mistakes or errors on IRCC's end, or in CBSA records. The risk of IRCC or CBSA mistakes is low, probably very low. But of course IRCC sometimes makes mistakes, so there is still some risk of an error. If there is an error at IRCC's end, the applicant will have an opportunity to challenge and correct those, and even if IRCC does not agree with the applicant, the applicant would then have an opportunity to present their case to an independent Citizenship Judge. Be aware, however, this would not only be non-routine processing adding several months to the processing time, but contested cases appear to still take longer than a year, some two years, some longer.

If the applicant applied with enough buffer to offset the IRCC mistake, however, odds are good the application sails through without any non-routine processing, no delays.

The Other Big Advantage From a Buffer; Reduced Risk of RQ-related Non-routine Processing:

The other big advantage is a buffer helps to increase the odds (but does not guarantee) a total stranger bureaucrat is persuaded the applicant met the physical presence requirement without needing to make any additional inquiries.

It is likely that for the majority of citizenship applications there is little or no question about the applicant's PP. No need to make additional inquiries let alone conduct an investigation. Cross-checking the applicant's travel history, address history, work history, and immigration history, with other readily considered information, including CBSA travel history, is sufficient to make a positive PP determination. No PP concerns. PP readily verified. In such cases (probably most cases, perhaps even the vast majority of cases) the application proceeds with no non-routine processing delays.

What can trigger PP questions or concerns is a huge subject. I alone have probably written many thousands of words about that subject over the course of the last decade and a half. We know a lot of historical factors, and most of these are quite likely to still be influential. Applicant errors (inconsistencies, discrepancies, omissions, and so on), for example, have always been and almost certainly will continue to be among the biggest factors. An omission in travel history, in particular, significantly increases the risk of RQ-related non-routine processing.

There are far, far too many variables to try enumerating even the most significant ones here.

More to the point, we also know a number of factors that can help reduce the risk there will be PP questions or concerns triggering RQ-related non-routine processing. Near the top of the list, in addition to being as complete and accurate as possible, is waiting to apply with a good, solid buffer. A good buffer in conjunction with a complete and accurate travel history, supported by solid address and work history, can go a long way toward avoiding PP questions or concerns, thereby avoiding RQ-related non-routine processing, avoiding potential delays for many months or a year even.
 
While this response is a bit late, the underlying physical presence and *buffer* issues are a salient subject being recently discussed in multiple threads, including a discussion today in a new thread titled "Stuck in Physical Presence." I will try to coordinate responses (I am very slow these days, so it may take some time).

This post is mostly about buffers.
Thank for the detailed reply!

Not sure if you would have an answer to this, but in your opinion does the PP checks would still have IRCC complete the application within the stated processing timeline (10 months at the moment).

I ask because, while it doesn't matter much to me if I get my citizenship at the end of the processing time, but if there is a possibility of further delays beyond the 10 months, I might consider submitting a withdrawal request and reapply given my buffer days would be more than adequate now. I know there is probably no definite answer, but any insights is appreciated!
 
Thank for the detailed reply!

Not sure if you would have an answer to this, but in your opinion does the PP checks would still have IRCC complete the application within the stated processing timeline (10 months at the moment).

I ask because, while it doesn't matter much to me if I get my citizenship at the end of the processing time, but if there is a possibility of further delays beyond the 10 months, I might consider submitting a withdrawal request and reapply given my buffer days would be more than adequate now. I know there is probably no definite answer, but any insights is appreciated!

IRCC's posted information about grant citizenship processing times specifically states:

Already applied?

-- Don't send a new application
  • The longer you've been waiting, the closer you are to the front of the line.
-- We'll contact you if we need more information.
  • You don't need to do anything else.
There are exceptions. Quite a few exceptions actually. Usually, however, better to follow the general rule unless there is a clear exception involved. Probably no exception in your case unless you get information from IRCC that effectively indicates IRCC has a serious question about whether you met the physical presence requirement. Even then, even if you were to get RQ-related requests for more information, for example, staying with the current application is typically better than withdrawing and starting over.

Example of an exception: whether attendant an interview or other communication from IRCC, if you learn that IRCC believes you did not meet the physical presence requirement as of the day the application was made, that would indicate it is time to withdraw and make a new application.

For Now . . .

Yeah, I do not have much of an answer about the impact physical presence (PP) verification will have on the processing time for a particular applicant. So much of what goes on in the process of evaluating information is kept secret. Moreover, right now it is clear that IRCC is going through some very significant processing changes related to employing digital analysis including AI components, which is clearly improving the processing timeline for many (probably most), but otherwise we do not know much about how this is affecting complex or non-routine applications.

A buffer is not a cure-all. It is just one factor. It mostly reduces the risk of complex non-routine processing due to concerns in cutting-it-close cases. That can have a big impact on how long it takes, but there are many other factors which can also influence whether a total stranger bureaucrat has questions or concerns.

A good buffer is a good idea, but it will not accelerate how fast an application is processed. It can help avoid or reduce delays. The latter is important for many if not most applicants. But, again, that does not make processing go any faster; it just reduces the chances some things will slow it down.

Beyond that, we do not know for sure what factors influence the process, let alone the impact of any particular factors. Our historical knowledge of some of the influential factors is still very useful in terms of some basic do's and don'ts, like how important it is to be precisely accurate (in addition to being complete) in reporting travel history, and that having a good buffer tends to help applicants sail more easily through the process, and I would say more "quickly" through the process but by that I mean more quickly than applications slowed by complex or non-routine processing.

We cannot map individual factors to likely outcomes except in the most general terms. We know, for example, that any non-routine processing means the process will take longer, but we do not know how much longer, knowing only that it could mean an extra two or four or so months, or it could mean many more months than that. We know that some types of non-routine processing cause longer delays. RQ-related non-routing processing tends to cause longer delays than basic fingerprint requests, for example, but not nearly so much longer as a referral to CSIS for a security related investigation would cause.

So, bringing this back around to navigating your way forward . . . I doubt anyone here, or even a lawyer, can offer a reliable estimate of how this is going to go for you. You might be worried needlessly. It could be your application is on a routine (not complex) processing track and will proceed without a snag, without any side trips.

In that regard, I have way less faith in what is revealed by GCMS records than other forum participants. (There are exceptions, but for most applicants the copy of GCMS records they obtain do not reveal much, if anything, that is useful information.)

Meanwhile we do not know what impact withdrawing and re-applying will have. In the past, previously withdrawing a citizenship application was itself a factor that could trigger full blown RQ (which is sure to add at least four or more months to the processing timeline), let alone just some additional RQ-related inquiries and processing. Even then, though, the actual impact in a particular case varied considerably depending on the facts and circumstances in that individual's case, and in some cases the second application sailed through easily and quickly.

Some observations regarding processing times generally:
". . . if I get my citizenship at the end of the processing time, but if there is a possibility of further delays beyond the 10 months . . . "​

Not sure what you understand about the "processing time," particularly in that there is NO set or established processing time. For citizenship applications IRCC is currently posting a processing time that purports to be how long IRCC expects it will take, referencing only some of the factors which influence how long it takes to process most applications, only vaguely referencing the timeline can vary if the application "is complex."

For years IRCC referred to the possibility (which was actually a high probability) of a longer processing time for applications that involved "non-routine" processing. That was vague and in many regards not informative, in some ways confusing if not outright misleading (a fingerprint request constituted non-routine processing but would not have anywhere near the impact that RQ-related non-processing would have). But the gist of it was simple enough: if processing the application involved any task not part of the standard (routine) procedure, it would take more time. How much more time depended on what particular additional procedure was involved.

But the latter was (and will likely still be) also very dependent on how long the queue is for that particular task. And that tends to be the biggest factor in how much longer it takes once an application is no longer in the routine or not-complex processing stream.

For now it appears your application is still in a standard queue and subject to physical presence verification. The physical presence verification might involve some extra checks, so take longer. But not so long that starting over would make sense.

There does not appear to be reason to apprehend your application is in a queue for applications IRCC is contesting physical presence. That would be a different scenario, one in which withdrawing and reapplying might make sense.
 
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Thank for the detailed reply!

Not sure if you would have an answer to this, but in your opinion does the PP checks would still have IRCC complete the application within the stated processing timeline (10 months at the moment).

I ask because, while it doesn't matter much to me if I get my citizenship at the end of the processing time, but if there is a possibility of further delays beyond the 10 months, I might consider submitting a withdrawal request and reapply given my buffer days would be more than adequate now. I know there is probably no definite answer, but any insights is appreciated!
You got AOR in early Feb, so presumably applied in January or December.

Apart from having applied with only 1096 days, and that the physical presence hasn't gone green yet, you've no reason to think anything is wrong.

Your file is still well within normal processing times. Nothing of note that can be done yet.

As I've noted from my spouse's case: they do have a process to have interviews to check the physical presence part. There may be a queue for that, but not necessarily a long one. They likely have a process to determine whether that's even needed.

It's also possible it's 'done' but requires a (final) sign-off, for which they're not doing the permission until the other elements (eg prohibitions) are ready. (I infer this from fact that most files go LPP all at once - sign-offs for that final stage).

If you are fine if it takes ten months: relax and wait. Nothing to indicate anything's wrong, entirely possible it's just a small workflow detail. Check your email less than 40 times a day.

From what is being seen with other files: it's the security part that can take longer. Nothing much that can be done with that - and poor visiibility/transparency (for which we can say - simultaneously - 'that's awful' and 'of course there's less transparency about security'). But again: for a January app, it's still not late and there's no concrete reason to think it's taking 'extra' long - it's not even full six months yet.

Or overall: having extra buffer might have been better, which you knew before you submitted. But that doesn't mean it's fated to go significantly over 10 months. Just wait.
 
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Thank for the detailed reply!

Not sure if you would have an answer to this, but in your opinion does the PP checks would still have IRCC complete the application within the stated processing timeline (10 months at the moment).

I ask because, while it doesn't matter much to me if I get my citizenship at the end of the processing time, but if there is a possibility of further delays beyond the 10 months, I might consider submitting a withdrawal request and reapply given my buffer days would be more than adequate now. I know there is probably no definite answer, but any insights is appreciated!
I’m also considering withdrawing and reapplying. Nov 24 AOR @ 1096 days. Just started the other thread.

I wonder if I submit another application and withdraw the ongoing one later.
 
I’m also considering withdrawing and reapplying. Nov 24 AOR @ 1096 days. Just started the other thread.

I wonder if I submit another application and withdraw the ongoing one later.
How long have was it since you received your AOR? If it's getting close to 10 months then yours might be close to the top of their list and hopefully see an update soon.

FWIW, from what I have seen in this forum and other places, it seems like you can put in a withdrawal and put in a new application right away without having to wait for a respond from IRCC (just add an explanation that the withdrawal is in progress in your new application). But I am not sure if submitting a new application now before withdrawing your current application is a good idea.

I am not an expert though, just have been spending too much time in these boards lol.
 
I’m also considering withdrawing and reapplying. Nov 24 AOR @ 1096 days. Just started the other thread.

I wonder if I submit another application and withdraw the ongoing one later.
Anecdotally there have been claims here that any apps that were withdrawn (after AOR? dunno) are put in a separate process for extra checks. And that will have queues (separate and distinct). I can't confirm - of course - that this is true or not.

But look at this thread again: even if you submitted at 1096 days, it will get checked and should be fine. It's too late to change the fact you submitted with little to no buffer. If it's truly held up on security clearances - which is not known at this point, as your file is still within the expected timeframe - withdrawing and resubmitting will not help.

The ONLY case where it's unambiguously better to withdraw and resubmit is if you aren't actually sure of the total days. (Because they will refuse one that had insufficient days when submitted).

It is, of course, up to you.

If you're just paranoid and want something to do (shy, that is, of getting professional help for your paranoia) - order your CBSA exit/entries through ATIP. That will at least provide you the info to see if there's any discrepancy that /might/ draw attention at IRCC.