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jayjoonheekim

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Hi, I am a permanent resident with a Korean citizenship, presently serving 1 year and 9 months of mandatory military service obligation in south Korea. As already knowing the fact that I am no meeting my PR residency obligation, I have many questions regarding how to keep my PR residency.

Prior to the questions, I would like to briefly explain my reasons why I could not meet the PR residency obligations of 730 days in past 5 years. (Dates below might not be accurate since I am not carrying my past passports with me. I’m writing this in the military)

2012. Oct. 22nd ~ 2013. July. 22nd (273 days in South Korea)

I visited South Korea due to my father’s illness (severe depression) without a PR card. My plan was to be in south Korea for approximately 6 months (restricted stay period which South Korean government allows their non-military served citizens who are also holding PR status of other countries) to help out family business on behalf of my father (non-paid job, since it is illegal to work in south korea as a Korean PR holder who did not serve the military service).
However, 2013, strike of Canadian immigration office occurred that I could not apply for the Travel Document because nothing was sure about the process (Immigration office in south Korea was also closed that year and forwarded all the application processes to Manila, Philippine).
South Korean government gave me the extra 3 months of stay period on top of 6 months of restricted period (South Korean government gives out 3 months of extra period to leave the country to non-military served Korean PR holders those who violated the 6 months of stay for the first time) that I could stay in south Korea for total of 9 months. Then, I had to fly to 3rd country, which was Japan, in order to wait for the strike to be over.

2013. Oct. 7th ~ 2014. Jan. 29th (114 days in Canada)

I entered Canada as soon as I received the Travel document in Japan and immediately applied for the PR card. As soon as I received the PR card, I entered back to South Korea, since I fulfilled the 6 months of away period from South Korea that I was eligible to re-enter. by thenj, since I could count my PR residency obligation of Canada including 2009, 2010 and 2011, years I never left Canada except for a month, I could still have enough residency days even after the military service period, if I started the military obligation in early 2014.

2014. Jan. 29th ~ 2015. May. 4th

As acknowledging I will still meet my residency obligation after the mandatory military service term, I decided to serve the military service obligation of South Korea that I went for a mandatory physical examination to enter the military, however, through the physical examination process, they found that I have a severe depression (I didn’t realize I was having a depression by then, but I certainly was going through the complicated hardships during that time with problems like identity crisis, family health matters, financial matters <not eligible to work during the stay in South Korea due to the status>, having difficult situation to make decisions, and etc) that I was told to get a medical treatment for several months (as I remember, it took approximately 7 to 10 months of period in total) prior to the 2nd and 3rd physical examination trial because when it comes to the neuropsychiatry problem, it is hard for them to judge whether I am eligible to go to the military or could be exempted from the mandatory obligation. My entering process to the military got delayed.
During this treatment process, 6 months of restricted stay had to be violated again that I had to be prohibited to depart South Korea until I finish the mandatory military service obligation. I eventually entered the military as of 2015. May. 4th, as claiming to the physical examination agent at my 3rd trial that I am willing to serve the military obligation regardless of the depression because I felt the process is only negatively affecting my time of decision and PR residency obligation.

2015. May. 4th ~ 2016. April. 19th <present> (351 days in Korea)

I am presently serving a military service and this mandatory obligation will be over by 2017. Feb. 3rd. And my PR card is expired on January.

Due to the reasons above, I have violated the PR residency obligation of Canada and wondering if it is good idea to apply for the Travel document at this point. Korean military allows Korean PR holders to visit countries where they are holding a PR of, during maximum of 14 days of break period, transportation on their bill. I have two fixed break periods left to visit Canada if necessary. So, I have about maximum 28 days in total to stay in Canada, only if the Travel document process passes me. However, even I luckily get a Travel Document permit to enter back Canada, I will have to come back to the military until 2017. February. 3rd. which is about 10 months from now.

My questions are:

1) I presently <roughly calculated from 2012 April to today, 2016. April 19th> have close to 600 days of residence and is it still better for me to apply for the Travel Document anyways regardless of the high risk of rejection? Or should I just wait until the milatary obligation is over and apply or appeal from then? It is very important for me to make future decisions on what to do about my career right after the military obligation.

2) Would the Travel Document agent consider the factors above as the humanitarian and compassionate determination field? <as I looked in <ENF23, Loss of Permanent Resident status>, there were consideration factors like:

A. Circumstances beyond the Permanent Resident’s control (compelling and beyond their control)
B. Was the Permanent Resident prevented from returning to Canada; if so, by whom and by what event?

3) Is it possible to appeal IRB ahead about my situation before I get examined or rejected from the Travel document process? Or do I have to wait for the rejection and appeal within 60days?

4) What is ‘Returning Resident Permit’? [As I read, it applies to some of those whom received PR status prior to some time in 2002, under certain circumstances. I read, any time remaining on a previously issued permit will be honored – validity (under valid permit, days outside of Canada will be accounted) but I don’t quite understand what it is and what it means]

5) Do I have to be physically present in Canada during the PR card or citizenship process?

6) Are there any differences between directly entering Canada from overseas and U.S. boarder? Don’t I need a Travel Document if I enter through U.S. boarder?

7) I am aware that my previous residence record in Canada prior to past 5 years of period does not count but I’d still like to mention to appeal that I landed in Canada in 1999 Sept 1st, when I was 15 years old and became a PR in 2001, July. I have spent almost half of my life in Canada and have met residency obligation throughout the whole 14 years of term (until 2012) more than enough. Though it was my false choice that I didn’t apply for the citizenship while I was eligible, however, back then, I also did not want to lose my Korean citizenship where does not allow dual citizenship to the male who did not serve military obligation, (just until few years ago, they did not allow the dual citizenship even after the completion military obligation) because South Korea is the country where I was born and both my parents are residing in (and I am the only child). At my age of 31, I made a hard and very belated decision on serving the military obligation, in order to keep my both residency rights and end the status complication. Would these kind of common excuses still be helpful to provide when it comes to the appeal?

Thank you so much all for your time and help on my desperate questions.
 
jayjoonheekim said:
1) I presently <roughly calculated from 2012 April to today, 2016. April 19th> have close to 600 days of residence and is it still better for me to apply for the Travel Document anyways regardless of the high risk of rejection? Or should I just wait until the milatary obligation is over and apply or appeal from then? It is very important for me to make future decisions on what to do about my career right after the military obligation.

I would wait until closer to the date you are actually ready to move back to Canada.
First off, if your app is successful who knows the expiry date on your PRTD. If you let the PRTD expire since you can't return to Canada yet, it may be much harder to get a 2nd one the next time.
And second, if the PRTD is rejected since you don't meet RO, you would need to appeal the decision and get a special PRTD to return to Canada for the appeals process. And again this will not be possible if you aren't actually ready to return to Canada.

2) Would the Travel Document agent consider the factors above as the humanitarian and compassionate determination field? <as I looked in <ENF23, Loss of Permanent Resident status>, there were consideration factors like:

A. Circumstances beyond the Permanent Resident’s control (compelling and beyond their control)
B. Was the Permanent Resident prevented from returning to Canada; if so, by whom and by what event?

When it comes to H&C reasons and a case as complex as yours, NOBODY here can say for sure. There certainly seem to be elements of real H&C claims in your case, so I would say you have a chance. But really this is up to the visa officer who happens to get your file. You will need to send tons of info regarding your medical reasons and all info on the mandatory military service. You may also want to look into using a lawyer who is experienced with putting together H&C evidence.

3) Is it possible to appeal IRB ahead about my situation before I get examined or rejected from the Travel document process? Or do I have to wait for the rejection and appeal within 60days?

You can't appeal anything until you've been officially rejected for PR TD.

4) What is ‘Returning Resident Permit’? [As I read, it applies to some of those whom received PR status prior to some time in 2002, under certain circumstances. I read, any time remaining on a previously issued permit will be honored – validity (under valid permit, days outside of Canada will be accounted) but I don’t quite understand what it is and what it means]

I think it's just an older version of the PR TD. Don't think it applies today.

5) Do I have to be physically present in Canada during the PR card or citizenship process?

Not sure what you are asking. To submit a PR renewal application you must be inside Canada. So if you get a PR TD approved you will need to return to Canada and only then submit app to renew PR card. You should also then not leave for a while since PR card can take over 6 months to process.

6) Are there any differences between directly entering Canada from overseas and U.S. boarder? Don’t I need a Travel Document if I enter through U.S. boarder?

You don't need a PR TD if you enter Canada via US land border in a private car. However you can still be reported by CBSA for not meeting the RO. You can also show all your H&C reasons on the spot to the CBSA officer and see if they will let you in without reporting you. However in this case, you should wait for 2 years until you're back in compliance with the RO before you can apply to renew PR card.

If you apply instead for PRTD, if that's approved the PRTD overcomes the RO so allows you to apply for PR card renewal immediately. Not the case if crossing by land.

7) . Would these kind of common excuses still be helpful to provide when it comes to the appeal?

Again this is up to the visa officer, nobody here will be able to say for sure.
 
Thank you so much for your thoughtful answers to my random questions. It helped me so much to have confidence in decisions I am about to make! But I have several more questions regarding the answers I received on Q #1 and Q #5, in case I couldn’t deliver what I meant clear enough in my questions.

In Q #1. The reason I am presently hesitating to apply PRTD is also because I am allowed to visit Canada for max of 14 days, per regular break period from the army. And since I have 2 regular break days left that I have total of 28 days to visit Canada, if necessary, when I get my PRTD approved.
The Korean military will pay the air fair if I claim for it. But the problem I am having is that I won’t be able to stay long enough and should come back to Korea to finish the remaining military obligation till Feb. 3rd. 2017.

Simiply, to depart Korea, I don’t need to worry about the expiry date of the PRTD; however, since I must come back to Korea after 14 days that, as you said, I will have to apply for the 2nd or 3rd one for the next trip, which will be way much harder to get approved, only if I can luckily get the first one. So, I am wondering if visiting Canada for only short period of time would be helpful in anyways to show my effort to meet the RO or I should just not risk it..

In Q #5 What I meant was if I must stay in Canada after I apply the PR card or citizenship application to wait for the decision.. This questions is for the time when I know I’m eligible for sure after my entrance to Canada, because after the army, if I get to enter back to Canada, I am planning to wait until I am eligible to apply for the pr card or citizenship in Canada, then, I might have to come back to Korea once in a while to visit my parents during the processing time.

Again, Thank you very much for your help Rob_TO
 
jayjoonheekim said:
Simiply, to depart Korea, I don’t need to worry about the expiry date of the PRTD; however, since I must come back to Korea after 14 days that, as you said, I will have to apply for the 2nd or 3rd one for the next trip, which will be way much harder to get approved, only if I can luckily get the first one. So, I am wondering if visiting Canada for only short period of time would be helpful in anyways to show my effort to meet the RO or I should just not risk it..

I don't think it would be helpful as you know very well that the trip will just be for a couple weeks, and won't really help with meeting RO.

IMO the risk is not worth it. As I mentioned if the PR TD is denied, you will not be able to appeal since you aren't ready to return to Canada long term which would be required to do an appeal.

In Q #5 What I meant was if I must stay in Canada after I apply the PR card or citizenship application to wait for the decision.. This questions is for the time when I know I’m eligible for sure after my entrance to Canada, because after the army, if I get to enter back to Canada, I am planning to wait until I am eligible to apply for the pr card or citizenship in Canada, then, I might have to come back to Korea once in a while to visit my parents during the processing time.

You don't come close to qualifying for citizenship so I wouldn't even worry about that.

As I mentioned for PR card, if you get a PR TD approved on H&C grounds, that will overcome the RO and allow you to apply for PR card renewal immediately upon returning to Canada. You should then wait in Canada until the new PR card is received (approx 6 months), as they may ask for you to pick it up in person.

If you get into Canada by crossing at a land border without a PR TD, and aren't reported for RO, then you are advised to wait 2 full years in Canada without leaving even once, before applying for PR renewal.

Or finally if you apply for PR TD and it's refused, then to appeal you will be issued a special PRTD to return to Canada for the appeals process, and would be expected to remain in Canada during appeal (I've heard can be a year or longer but not really sure).