How to count the time to keep Permanent Residence after getting a new PR Card?

[Francisco000]

Hi, please does anyone knows how to count the time to keep your PR? I know we have to be in Canada at least 2 years in the last 5 years. But a person told me that once I get my new PR Card (by renewal) the time begins to count again from zero since that moment and it does not matter anything about the time before that date. Is this true? Anyone knows this please?

Thanks a lot.

 

[Rob_TO]

Hi, please does anyone knows how to count the time to keep your PR? I know we have to be in Canada at least 2 years in the last 5 years. But a person told me that once I get my new PR Card (by renewal) the time begins to count again from zero since that moment and it does not matter anything about the time before that date. Is this true? Anyone knows this please?

Thanks a lot.

No it's completely wrong. The dates on the PR card mean absolutely nothing, you always need to maintain 2 out of every 5 rolling years in Canada no matter what. So to count the time you subtract 5 years from any future date, and you must have spent 2 years in Canada during that time.

 

[Francisco000]

Thanks for the reply Rob, then the second question would be: If i leave Canada and returning I have less than 2 years in the previous 5 years period to my return, the immigration official or any system in the airport will count my number of days in Canada during that previous 5 years? or they will just check my PR Card and see that I still have enough time to meet the 2 year period before the next expiration of my PR Card?

 

[ttrajan]

They will check your passport stampings and PR card expiry. Also you need to mention when you left Canada in the immigration entry form. Canada don,t have immigration check while leaving Canada hence they may not able to check online.

 

[Rob_TO]

Thanks for the reply Rob, then the second question would be: If i leave Canada and returning I have less than 2 years in the previous 5 years period to my return, the immigration official or any system in the airport will count my number of days in Canada during that previous 5 years? or they will just check my PR Card and see that I still have enough time to meet the 2 year period before the next expiration of my PR Card?

I just stated "the dates on the PR card mean absolutely nothing"

They can check 5 years back from the date you attempt to enter Canada, and can report you for not meeting RO based just on that. Again, the dates on the PR card or when it expires is irrelevant to your residency obligation.

 

[wolanila]

I was wondering if anyone can tell me the meaning of:

Situation 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada

You may count each day that you accompanied a Canadian citizen outside Canada provided that the person you accompanied is your spouse, common-law partner or parent (if you are a child under 19 years of age).

Evidence required

You must provide supporting documents to prove that:

The person you are accompanying is a Canadian citizen; and
You are the spouse, common-law partner or child of that person.
Supporting documents may include:

marriage licence or evidence of common-law partnership (mandatory if you are accompanying a spouse or common-law partner);
child’s birth certificate, baptismal document, or adoption or legal guardianship document (mandatory if you are accompanying a parent);
all passports or other travel documents of the person you are accompanying used in the five (5) years before the application (mandatory);
Canadian Income Tax Notice of Assessment (NOA) for the past two (2) years
school or employment records;
association or club memberships;
documents showing the citizenship of the person you are accompanying, including the date the person became a Canadian citizen (mandatory);
evidence of the residential addresses of the person you are accompanying for the five (5) years before the application (mandatory);
any other documents that you want to have considered.




I was under the impression a few years back that you could only count travel time outside of Canada if you or your spouse who would need to be a Canadian citizen were working for a Canadian company.

I'm just wondering does this mean a permanent resident can count any length of time outside of Canada as time in Canada as long as they are accompanied by a spouse or parent who is a Canadian citizen, and is it still valid if the spouse or parent who is accompanying them is working for a foreign company?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

 

[steaky]

I'm just wondering does this mean a permanent resident can count any length of time outside of Canada as time in Canada as long as they are accompanied by a spouse or parent who is a Canadian citizen, and is it still valid if the spouse or parent who is accompanying them is working for a foreign company?

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

Read again!

The Canadian spouse does not have to be working.

 

[wolanila]

Thanks, I just wanted to be sure as in 2012 there was a discrepancy with the wording on different parts of the website. One part said you could count it if you were accompanied by a Canadian spouse or parent and another part with more legal wording described that the Canadian spouse or parent must be working for a Canadian company.

Do you know, can the Canadian spouse be living and working in another country?

Is there any limit to the amount of time that can be spent?

Does anyone know where I can find the legalese on this?

 

[steaky]

Thanks, I just wanted to be sure as in 2012 there was a discrepancy with the wording on different parts of the website. One part said you could count it if you were accompanied by a Canadian spouse or parent and another part with more legal wording described that the Canadian spouse or parent must be working for a Canadian company.

Do you know, can the Canadian spouse be living and working in another country?

Is there any limit to the amount of time that can be spent?

Does anyone know where I can find the legalese on this?

1) Sure, the Canadian spouse could be outside the country working or not working in the other country
2) No
3) Look no further than the link you pasted previously.

 

[wolanila]

Thank you for the clarification streaky, this is good news.

 

[Leon]

If you are accompanying a Canadian spouse outside Canada, the days you spend with your spouse count as days in Canada towards the PR residency requirements. The spouse does not have to be working for a Canadian employer nor does he or she have to be working at all. They do not go into details about who is accompanying whom.

Working for a Canadian employer is for PR's. A PR can count days in Canada if he has been posted to a full time overseas position by a Canadian employer. However, they tend to be strict on what counts as a Canadian employer and that you should have had the job and been transferred and not gotten the job just in order to live abroad and keep your PR. A PR spouse of a PR working for a Canadian employer can also count days spent abroad accompanying that spouse.

PR children can also count days spent with a Canadian parent abroad or a PR parent who is working for a Canadian employer.

A PR parent can however not count days spent with a Canadian child abroad.

 

[wolanila]

Thanks Leon, !!! ;D