how can someone from a third world country land a job offer in Canada?

[Menna Ali]

my brother has entered the express entry for a while now, his score is 378, he's still has a two year experience in his job.
we are from Egypt, he is a mechanical engineer who has more than a two year experience as a CAD Drafter, my question is he has been applying for jobs now that fits him and his experience but he doesn't get any form of reply from any of the employers he emails. so I was wondering if there is a problem in the cover letter format or the resume format ? also in the resume you will notice that he added his express entry code, is it okay to add it or is it not preferable ?
i hope someone can take a look at the resume and cover letter and tell me if there is something he should improve, also he there is any advice that would help him get a job offer in Canada, are there any training programs he can enter that will make him more eligible ?
Thank you for taking the time out to problem and help me out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/107rFoGis3AKE8KwbL7fu2b5PQCEm-3pn/view?usp=sharing that's the resume.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nOI3P0upkfC5a9qVMK7ltYG5EY3xj6O7/view?usp=sharing that's the cover letter.

 

[canuck78]

Most employers don't want to go through the hassle and cost of hiring someone who isn't currently able to work in Canada.

 

[Menna Ali]

How did you come up with the 378 score again? Your brother seems very intelligent and quite young, I doubt that his scores are actually that low. Can you show me how you/he came up with 378 in EE?

In New Zealand, HR + Recruiters get bombarded with overseas letter for the same exact reasons, the points will only be enough with a job offer. Unfortunately legal requirements and all mean that you won't get a phone call back unless you have someone ready vouching for you on the inside.

Maybe if you are already accepted and are packing your bags, but definitely not if "still in the pool".

Thank you so much for taking the time out to reply to me, i made a mistake his score is 381 and he is 25 years old.

do you suggest that he keeps trying to apply in Canada or should he apply in another countries like New Zealand, i read that in New Zealand employers are more welling to hire someone from overseas.

 

[Menna Ali]

Most employers don't want to go through the hassle and cost of hiring someone who isn't currently able to work in Canada.

I'm grateful for your reply, i get that there is no problem in the CV and the cover letter format.
you said most employers won't hire someone still in his country but is there a possibility that someone will ? should he keep trying to apply in Canada or should he apply in another countries to get his 3 years experience ?

 

[Bs65]

I'm grateful for your reply, i get that there is no problem in the CV and the cover letter format.
you said most employers won't hire someone still in his country but is there a possibility that someone will ? should he keep trying to apply in Canada or should he apply in another countries to get his 3 years experience ?

It simply does not make sense for a Canadian Employer to look outside of the country to employ someone if there are plenty of applicants inside Canada to fill a position. In the cases where an employer would do so the candidate would need to have very specific skills not generally available in Canada and has nothing to do with where a candidate is based in home country.

This by the way is not unique to Canada and common in many other countries where employers are reluctant to employ from out of country if they do not need to.

Many people look at getting a study permit followed by a PGWP open work permit to get that all important Canadian work experience then apply for PR . Unfortunately though that comes with a cost which puts people off.

 

[Menna Ali]

RE: Score, are you really sure? I could get 449 easy. Can you give me the breakdown of the score? Just does not make any sense to me.

I don't know what the other person tells you, but that's simply not true. It is even harder to do that in New Zealand. However, you may get extra residency points for a degree in what we call a "skill-shortage" area. You can get a job, but you must get a residency first. Otherwise your CV is in the black hole. At the end of the day, you must be in it to win it. Like many said, nobody will hire you abroad when they could hire anyone within the country. New Zealand residency and all the process could cost you around 3500 to 4000 NZD, though.

Now, before I get your hopes up let me do the maths for you. Even with a job in New Zealand, there is a huge question on your life quality. In Canada people complaint about rent, wait until they see what they are getting in New Zealand. With a decent salary in Auckland or Wellington of -say- 60000, you will still struggle to make it. You could spend 2000-2500 per month for a big, living size flat with no savings for your own home one day, or spend 1000-1500 living with flatmates in a damp home and get sick every year. I just don't see why this would attract him, given that he has an Engineering degree that could work anywhere else. Sure there is promotion and all that, but with house prices being around 800-900K NZD, 20% deposits, and huge issues in quality, I really can't justify moving to New Zealand again.

It is a different question if you were already in New Zealand as it is an alright country, but moving in when you are still in the running in Canada seems short-sighted. I did the maths in my head and New Zealand is only a good option if you make enough for some savings in San Fransisco or Dubai or London, but not enough for a house there. Say you are a Software Engineer in SF with 200K earnings, you are alright, but not rich enough to buy a house on your own in SF. Then you can use your savings for New Zealand mortgage. There simply is no (easy) pathway to buy a house with NZ salary for a single person at the moment.

The breakdown of the score:
bachelor degree is equivalent to 4 yr B.Sc. from Canada. single. 25 yrs old. 2 years experience outside Canada.
IELTS score:
Sp:7.5
Re:9
Wr:6.5
Li:8.5.

 

[Menna Ali]

Oh yeah, that's a bummer. I have lived in NZ for 7 years, I intend to do IELTS ASAP so I don't lose the native proficiency. Your average IELTS is high but the breakdown by each is low so that's why you are not earning all points you could have.

Either way you seem bent on scoring a job first, which many have told you is impossible. We need to be there first.

well we are now looking into jobs in the Gulf area so we can save up the money when he gets accepted in the poll, anyway thank you so much for your help and interest good to luck to you, may be we will meet there

 

[Menna Ali]

On the other hand, if you lived and worked in Qatar, and don't mind the heat, you really should not consider moving elsewhere .

I despise the heat and I am an atheist so I can't comprehend working in Dubai or Qatar, but I heard for qualified people they pay quite well. At that point, you have to wonder why move again .

i get your point, i myself despise the cold but we don't want to relocate in any place in the middle east, we just want to save up money to go to Canada. living in Egypt and the middle east is really hard and difficult for people from the middle class like us. in these countries if you don't have relatives with some power and authority in the country you will go nowhere, you won't be able to land a job even. the law isn't not applied equivalently. that's why we want to go to Canada, to have our basics rights as humans and to be able to pursue what we want in life.

 

[vensak]

Oh yeah, that's a bummer. I have lived in NZ for 7 years, I intend to do IELTS ASAP so I don't lose the native proficiency. Your average IELTS is high but the breakdown by each is low so that's why you are not earning all points you could have.

Either way you seem bent on scoring a job first, which many have told you is impossible. We need to be there first.

His problem is IELTS for the starter. He needs either appeal writing part or do it again and prepare better for writing. With better writing he should get another 25+ points which would help him a lot. Also getting full 3 years experience (you have mentioned 2 year so far) will help him as well.
Good luck.

 

[emamabd]

my brother has entered the express entry for a while now, his score is 378, he's still has a two year experience in his job.
we are from Egypt, he is a mechanical engineer who has more than a two year experience as a CAD Drafter, my question is he has been applying for jobs now that fits him and his experience but he doesn't get any form of reply from any of the employers he emails. so I was wondering if there is a problem in the cover letter format or the resume format ? also in the resume you will notice that he added his express entry code, is it okay to add it or is it not preferable ?
i hope someone can take a look at the resume and cover letter and tell me if there is something he should improve, also he there is any advice that would help him get a job offer in Canada, are there any training programs he can enter that will make him more eligible ?
Thank you for taking the time out to problem and help me out.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/107rFoGis3AKE8KwbL7fu2b5PQCEm-3pn/view?usp=sharing that's the resume.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nOI3P0upkfC5a9qVMK7ltYG5EY3xj6O7/view?usp=sharing that's the cover letter.

Applying for jobs and not getting responses is not surprising, also if he gets his PR - its still not easy to land in a job here, he will have to compete with everyone else.
Not having enough points is a common trap for many express entry applicants, advise him to consider "provincial nomination" to boost his points. Actively check which province(s) are accepting applications and be ready to apply when the chance comes.

 

[emamabd]

Would getting a PNP work? I thought a PNP invitation is only given if you otherwise meet the minimum requirements and get 400. At the moment with 381, nobody would invite him wouldn't they?

You are right, generally the requirement for Ontario PNP is 400, however earlier this year they did mention they were accepting below 400 for some professions http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/pnp/OI_PNPNEW.html (scroll down to July 04th update). My advice is to regularly check all provinces that accept nominations..maybe Saskatchewan would work for the OP, i don't know how many CRS points they need - but i see they have mechanical engineering in their skills shortage list.

Now, depending on his financial savings, hear me out, engineers are looked after everywhere. So there could be the case that he gets a PNP in - say - Vancouver, but the first callback he receives is in Ontario. Sure, if you have enough savings you could let go such call, but if you are desperate to land a job, coupled with the fact that an engineer could land anywhere, wouldn't the PNP be a "burden"? I asked myself this question, but then again analysts like me are probably going to land in Ontario anyway.

True,.but, generally speaking employers first try to recruit in-province talent (or even in-city), because they don't like to pay relocation costs or airline tickets for interviews..etc (unless one has really exceptional talent that cannot be found easily). I landed in toronto a couple of years ago as an FSW, had no restriction to move anywhere in canada. In the first few months i applied for hundreds of jobs in Ontario and other provinces.. most of the responses i got were from Toronto based employers. I recall applying for at least 100 jobs in Alberta and BC but got zero response from Alberta and 1 call from BC!

Also, that's a very good point you brought up that when I came to New Zealand the first time no agent would tell me. Pretty much the deal is not so much getting the points (which you can grind through), but also about getting the job that you can settle with. Very little point in getting the residency and turns out you are bleeding money everywhere just to get a job.

Very true, immigration is a life changing journey, getting a PR visa is only the beginning...the best way is to come prepared for the worst, research well and prepare a solid plan for what you will do in the the first 3 months, 6 months, 9 months and 1st year if things don't turn out well.

 

[emamabd]

How long did it take you to get a job you actually want, emamabd?
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I got my first job offer 4 months after moving permanently and started working in the 5th month, i'm still in the same job (3+ years now) working as a Project Manager in IT/Banking industry. It isn't yet my ideal job, but its enough to live a comfortable life and recently bought my first home. It wasn't an easy process - in the beginning the job search sounded promising as i had 3 interviews for a position i applied for in my first 4 weeks, but then there was a quiet period of 2 months with zero interviews. The job i got was through a networking event which was arranged by a government funded employment agency, they invited a couple of professionals with hiring authority to meet us newcomers..one of them later became by boss...funny i remember at that time - on that specific day - i was debating myself whether i should really go to that event or not as it could turnout to be just a waste of time .. but that taught me a lesson, to be effective in the job search - you need to know people already working in your field and have them refer you.

 

[emamabd]

By the way, I also have a plan to get a dwelling. My goal is to get a 1 bedroom flat (condo) with a size of 54-60m2 or a 2-bedroom sized 70m2 for me to convert into a battlestation. So cheers from another homeownder hopeful here.

That's a courageous step, good luck and hopefully it would turn out to be a good investment in the long-term!