Help with 1-year Experience

[wenfeizh]

Hello There,

Regarding the 1-year full time work under CEC, my company provides 3 weeks vacation every year, so when I calculate the 1-year full time employment, do I have to deduct the 3 weeks vacation time? Or those 3 weeks vacation can be included when calculating the 1-year full time requirement?

Thanks in advance...

 

[Pearl1]

they can be included, as long as you have pay stubs for those three weeks and your hr does not mention it in the experience letter.

 

[wenfeizh]

they can be included, as long as you have pay stubs for those three weeks and your hr does not mention it in the experience letter.

you mean that as long as HR (or manager) doesn't mention that there are 3 weeks vacation each year then I can include them as part of the 1-year requirement?

And yes I have pay stubs for those three weeks listing as "vacation"

 

[Pearl1]

you mean that as long as HR (or manager) doesn't mention that there are 3 weeks vacation each year then I can include them as part of the 1-year requirement?

And yes I have pay stubs for those three weeks listing as "vacation"

does your pay stub say "vacation" ? as far as i know, pay stubs will just mention if you got paid or not.

and in your experience letter, hr will mention your start date, package/hourly wage, benefits. there should be no mention of how many paid/unpaid vacations you are entitled to. vacations are usually mentioned in the offer letter.

as long as, the employment proofs you submit for application do not specify your vacation period, you are good. i would still suggest to include extra two weeks after your one year is completed, just to be on the safe side. you never know how VO is going to calculate your "eligible experience hours".

 

[jes_ON]

Regarding the 1-year full time work under CEC, my company provides 3 weeks vacation every year, so when I calculate the 1-year full time employment, do I have to deduct the 3 weeks vacation time? Or those 3 weeks vacation can be included when calculating the 1-year full time requirement?

"Reasonable" vacation time is still part of employment. Don't worry about it. Your Letter of Employment should list your benefits (including three weeks of paid vacation). All completely normal...

Vacation is different from unpaid leave of absence, that would be an interruption in work experience.

 

[wenfeizh]

"Reasonable" vacation time is still part of employment. Don't worry about it. Your Letter of Employment should list your benefits (including three weeks of paid vacation). All completely normal...

Vacation is different from unpaid leave of absence, that would be an interruption in work experience.

Hey Jes_ON it's me again...LOL

So in terms of reference letter, I am thinking only asking my manager for a letter writing my title with NOC, hours of work, job duties. I am not going to provide my letter of employment (which I got from my employer first day of work), would that be ok? Should I also mention vacation benefits on my reference letter too?

 

[jes_ON]

So in terms of reference letter, I am thinking only asking my manager for a letter writing my title with NOC, hours of work (# hours worked per week), job duties. Also, wage/salary/remuneration is required (annual salary or the equivalent), benefits are supposed to be mentioned as well (as they are a form of remuneration), including vacation. Generally, the more skilled the work --> more benefits (not always true, I know), so it's a good thing to mention, including vacation time.

I am not going to provide my letter of employment (which I got from my employer first day of work),

Letter of reference = Letter of employment (confusing, I know). Job offer Letter or contract is not required - they only attest to what you will be expected to do in the future, not what you have actually already done - but can be provided if it helps (but not necessary).

 

[wenfeizh]

jes_ON you are amazing!! Thanks for the detailed answer!

Another thing just came to my mind, for my hourly wage, because I work at a non-profit, so it's actually well below medium wage (by $4-5/hour less). Do I need to write a letter of explanation for this? I am scared that they might consider me another NOC (C) because of the low wage. The NOC I think I belong to is 1241 B (Admin Assistant), and my employer agrees and manager said will try her best to include all the duties I do that match with the NOC 1241.

But I am worried that the wage that's below medium in the industry makes them have doubt about my NOC...

I just got my IELTS and very happy about the result. Now i have something else to worry...

 

[ailsaclare]

jes_ON you are amazing!! Thanks for the detailed answer!

Another thing just came to my mind, for my hourly wage, because I work at a non-profit, so it's actually well below medium wage (by $4-5/hour less). Do I need to write a letter of explanation for this? I am scared that they might consider me another NOC (C) because of the low wage. The NOC I think I belong to is 1241 B (Admin Assistant), and my employer agrees and manager said will try her best to include all the duties I do that match with the NOC 1241.

But I am worried that the wage that's below medium in the industry makes them have doubt about my NOC...

I just got my IELTS and very happy about the result. Now i have something else to worry...

Hello, I gained my experience in a non profit also and my wage was much lower than the supposed average. On the advice of an immigration consultant my employer provided the an explanation of my salary which included details of:
- the organizations non profit status
- the minimum, median, and maximum salaries in the organization (which showed I was towards the right end of the range in my organization and that no one was making the right amount)
- an explanation how the organization was funded and the small annual budget we worked on
- the other benefits I received as member of the organization: as someone said above these count as part of your renumeration, so try to be detailed (eg do you get a training budget? Health benefits? Access to services?)

I'm still waiting to hear the outcome of my case, but I think that if you can provide a strong explanation of why your salary is low and all your other documents are in order and match your NOC it should be ok

 

[jes_ON]

Another thing just came to my mind, for my hourly wage, because I work at a non-profit, so it's actually well below medium wage (by $4-5/hour less). Do I need to write a letter of explanation for this? I am scared that they might consider me another NOC (C) because of the low wage. The NOC I think I belong to is 1241 B (Admin Assistant), and my employer agrees and manager said will try her best to include all the duties I do that match with the NOC 1241.

But I am worried that the wage that's below medium in the industry makes them have doubt about my NOC...

There is no "wage requirement" - only that it be appropriate for the occupation (ie not below the minimum). HOWEVER, NOC 1241 was one of those that was abused a while back, so unfortunately, CIC does tend to check your duties against both 1241 and a lower level C (e.g. 1411), so you should do the same and make sure your letter of employment does not allow the VO to conclude that you are a clerk - play up any decision making authority you have, any supervisory or training duties...

 

[wenfeizh]

I know that's what I am concerned too. That it might get considered as 1411. Especially when my title looks more like 1411 (Program Support Worker).

But I have studied the difference between the two job duties descriptions and also had a volunteer lawyer to check my job duties for me and see which one it's closer to. I do train other staff so that should differ my position from a clerk.

So on the IRCC website, for 1241 it has 13 listings of job duties, how many at least do you think I need to match in my reference letter to convince the VO?

How can I ask my manager to help me out with the reference letter?