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bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
rajkamalmohanram said:
A few lucky people are getting PPR before DM but that doesn't mean that your DM is negative. Cummon man, you will get your PPR soon. Don't you worry. :)
I fully agree...!!
 

Kain234

Newbie
Aug 3, 2015
7
0
Hey everyone...

Congratulations to all who received DM/PPR.

I am also 9th May MR, still no DM/PPR, noc 2281.
Anybody else as well with similar timelines...
 

rajkamalmohanram

VIP Member
Apr 29, 2015
15,802
5,770
Mission_2015 said:
For worst case scenerio only.

Delayed background check / CSIS/Mandamus

I want to share my experience in the hope that it helps others in the same situation.

I applied for federal skilled worker class a few years ago and since I was living in Canada then (on a student visa), I sent my application to Buffalo. My assessment was done within the usual timelines of that time and I received my medical form after a year and a few months. But after I did medical, I didn't hear back from CIC (immigration) anymore. After a few months, I sent them an email and the response was "We have requested background information from other government offices(s). We cannot provide a date when the processing of your application will be complete."

This typically means that your file is sent to CSIS (Canadian security agency) for an in-depth security check. In many cases of in-depth security checks, after several months, the applicant is called in for a (security) interview and if everything goes well, they get their immigration in 3-4 months after the interview. But in my case, after waiting for more than a year and sending several emails, nothing was happening. They neither called me for an interview nor asked me any questions.

I tried to find other ways:

1- I asked my MP (member of parliament) for assistance. They contacted CIC on my behalf, but CIC gave them the same answer. Apparently, MPs can help you when the problem lies within CIC, but if it is a security check, they cannot do anything.

2- I got the CAIPS notes for my file several times. They usually block out everything related to security checks from the CAIPS notes they send you, but I found some evidence that there was a misunderstanding between CSIS and CIC regarding my file (each one was waiting for the other). That could contribute to 2 years of the delay, but even after the misunderstanding was resolved, nothing was happening.

3- I sent a letter to the director of CSIS asking if they are working on my file. By law, they have to answer (I guess within a month). I received a letter in response that confirmed they were working on my case, but they said they couldn't give me a timeline for completion. After a few months, I sent them another letter and explained that I'd lose some important job opportunities if I didn't get my immigration soon and told them that I was ready to attend any interviews, etc and explained that I had never been involved in any criminal, military or political matter. The response was the same as the first response.

4- I talked with a few immigration consultants and an immigration lawyer and they all told me that there was nothing that I could do expect for waiting.

More than 3 years had passed after I did my medicals and still no answer from CIC (except for "we are waiting for background checks"). One day when I was googling to see if someone had the same problem, I found a forum post with a reference to the possibility of taking the case to federal court based on a concept called "writ of mandamus". But the forum post was written by someone who hadn't done this himself, so there were not many details about that.

So I checked the website of the Federal Court of Canada and used their "decisions search" feature to find cases (from the menus, choose “decisions”, and then “search”) on mandamus cases against the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration Canada. Looking at tens of cases, I figured that I could in fact use mandamus.

Now, if you are a person with a history of involvement in criminal or terrorist acts, then you deserve having a hard time getting a security clearance.



But if you are like me and you know you have done nothing wrong, then you can assume your background check was delayed because of reasons like

- misunderstanding

-your file being lost or assigned to a lazy clerk

-Being born in a country that is considered suspicious

-Name similarity

In that case, keep reading this post.

I literally looked at 20-30 cases. Most of them did have some issues in their past (like membership in terrorist organizations), but a few were just ordinary people. All in all, based on previous rulings of the court, my conclusion was that you can use mandamus if the delay in your immigration file has been "unreasonable". To be regarded as unreasonable, a delay must meet the following three conditions:

(1) the delay in question was longer than the nature of the process required, prima facie;

(2) the applicant and his or her legal counsel were not responsible for the delay;

(3) the authority responsible for the delay did not provide satisfactory justification.



It seems that a period of more than four or five years has been accepted as "the nature of the process required" in previous rulings. There are even previous cases involving permanent residence applications where delays between three and five years were found to be prima facie longer than required (see cases of Platonov, supra, Kalachnikov, supra and Hanano, supra).

You can go to http://decisions.fct-cf.gc.ca/en/index.html and use the keywords "mandamus" and "immigration" and "CSIS" to find similar cases.

Note that in many cases, immigration had claimed that the delay is not their fault because they did their part in a timely manner and it was CSIS that caused the delay. But interestingly, many judges didn't accept that excuse and ruled that the applicant is a client of CIC and not CSIS and it's the duty of CIC to give them a response one way or another and dealing with CSIS is CIC's issue, not that of the client.

So I used the case summaries in the Federal Court website and compiled a list of all lawyers who had a successful mandamus case (note that you need an immigration LAWYER for this and not an immigration consultant). I then tried to find their contact address by googling their name and contacted each of them asking for quotes.

Be careful here! Some lawyers may not know enough about mandamus and they may mislead you by saying that even if your application has been in process for more than 4 years, you cannot use mandamus. Ignore those guys.

Also be careful about the costs. I got quotes ranging from $2000 to $8000. I finally went with a lawyer that had several successful cases and charged me $2000 for a mandamus application. Our agreement was that if the matter was not solved before the court date, I would pay an additional $1000 to him to appear in the court.

So my lawyer filed a claim on my behalf based on the fact that I had been waiting for my immigration for a bit more than 4 years and the fact that I had never been involved in any "bad stuff". My lawyer told me that in most of the cases, the moment you sue immigration, the wheels start to move and CIC tries to finalize your file before they have to appear in court. So most likely, you'll get your immigration before the court date. And that was exactly what happened to me. When you file for mandamus, it may take around 3 months for the court to accept to take your case and set a court date and the court date may be within 3-4 months of that time (so your court date may be 6-7 months after you file your claim).

In my case, right after I filed my claim, immigration contacted me and asked for my updated address. Then, they started to ask for some documents, etc (including renewing my medicals). After the court date was set, they seemed to double the speed! Long story short, I got my immigration visa shortly after the court date was set (i.e., a few months before the court date).

So I strongly recommend this approach to whoever has been waiting for more than 4 years and knows in their heart that they don't have any skeleton in the closet.



Here is some additional info:

1- An immediate concern would be that if you sue immigration, they'd retaliate and reject your immigration application or get you in trouble somehow. Fortunately, it doesn't work that way in Canada. They don't take this personally and they can't reject you without a good reason (at least if you have applied before 2008 when the Immigration Act changed).

2- In what I suggested above, the legal case is between you and CIC. That is, CSIS is not directly a part of the case. Another approach is to make a complaint against CSIS. Once you write a letter to the director of CSIS, if you feel that their answer is not compelling and they are keeping your file without any good reasons, you can submit a complaint to Security Intelligence Review Committee (SIRC) [see the details on the CSIS website]. I didn't try this and honestly I was skeptical about it, but later I heard from a friend of my friend that he went with this option and it worked for him. The advantage is that this is free of charge and you don't need a lawyer (because SIRC is not a court). Note that you may pursue both options (suing immigration and complaining to SIRC) at the same time.

I went through a lot of frustration while I saw that everyone who had applied years after me got their immigration, but my file was stuck and CIC wouldn't help me a bit. I found this information one bit at a time during my years of struggle and I hope that sharing it would help people with the same situation as me.

Link to the post:

https://secure.immigration.ca/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1191&title=delayed-background-check-csis-mandamus
Phew! What a journey!! The best part is the HAPPY ENDING :) :) :) :) !!!
 

bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
hopefulimmigrant said:
I got DM yesterday, I got MR on 9th May.....but the confusion is, is this DM positive? Coz some people of 9th May MR are getting PPR directly......really confusing what trend WVO is following..... ???
Have faith in God. Its Positive...!!
 

xyz86

Star Member
May 11, 2015
155
3
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
4214
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
15 dec 2014
File Transfer...
SLU: 12 may 2015
Med's Request
14 may 2015
Med's Done....
22 may 2015.. Docs rchd:28 May 2015
Interview........
TLU: 30 may 2015. DM:14 august 2015
Passport Req..
31 st August
VISA ISSUED...
7september
bluestone said:
He is talking bout NDVO, buddy. Not VFS. :)
i know that buddy.. But its better to go through VFS rather being uncertain about the NDVO..
 

bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
HKforCanada said:
Hello Friends,

I am posting 3rd time my query here.

I am planning to submit passports to NDVO tomorrow for stamping....do I need to take appointment or we can just walk-in there anytime?

waiting for a quick reply
I do not know why you want to go to NDVO personally instead of through VFS but if you want to go to NDVO, 91 (11) 4178-2000 is their contact number. Its better to call and ask.

Most probably Walk in should be allowed but you may ask by calling the above number.
 

HKforCanada

Star Member
Nov 5, 2014
53
0
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO to Warsaw
NOC Code......
2172
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25th November 2014
Med's Request
09th May 2015
Med's Done....
18th May 2015
Passport Req..
waiting
bluestone said:
He is talking bout NDVO, buddy. Not VFS. :)
passports need to be submitted at VFS...is that right? if yes then I am asking about VFS...
 

bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
mamuthebug said:
im getting really frustrated and impatient .....Just not getting for what or why my file is held up? Even all Nov & Dec applicants are getting their DM/ PPR.
All my plans are going down the drain. Iam cancelling my tickets that I had booked in anticipation some months ago. Now i will serve all 3 months notice in my company.
Seriously having second thoughts about this immigration now....in case my file is kept in the dark forever....
:( :mad: ??? ::)
I am a 25th September applicant. So I can understand how does it feel.

Even I was disheartened one day but friends in this forum helped me to get out of it.

Do not cancel your tickets. You are going in that plane only. Its the matter of a few days.

You have got your TLU already so your file is waiting for Bring Forward Date. It will open for review and you will see that Golden mail in your inbox...!!
 

bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
Rendezvous70 said:
Guys ....has anyone got DM before PPR?

If yes , then after how many days of DM .

Getting nightmares when thinking of negative results
Do not worry...its positive...!!
 

bluestone

Hero Member
May 19, 2015
301
21
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO/WVO
NOC Code......
1111
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
25-09-2014
Nomination.....
PER 12-01-2015
IELTS Request
Submitted with Application
File Transfer...
SLU Started Processing on 22-04-2015
Med's Request
07-05-2015
Med's Done....
19-05-2015 Med's Received 30-05-2015
Interview........
Expected to be waived...!! DM on 05-08-2015
Passport Req..
04-08-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Passport submitted on 06-08-2015 and received back with visa on 18-08-2015
LANDED..........
28-10-2015
rajkamalmohanram said:
Your frustration is justifiable. It's immigration dude and there will be such instances where you will want to throw everything away and go meditate in the jungle. But when you feel that way, just think why you started with the process. Just recall all the dreams. Recall all that you fantasized about Canada - Your new life, your new job, new friends and the new environment :) :) . Just imagine all these and you will regain the patience you most need at the moment. I wish you all success :). You will get your DM/PPR. Don't worry.
I agree...I agree...!!

This is precisely what I did. I started thinking from the day I decided about going to Canada. The whole journey, the tension of reaching CAP, IELTS preparation, file umber n all.

Its really soothing.
 

Rohitl.

Star Member
Jun 19, 2015
95
2
New Delhi, India
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO transferred to WVO
NOC Code......
1212
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 22, 2014
Nomination.....
PER : Jan 8, 2015
AOR Received.
Feb 3, 2015
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
File Transfer...
SLU : April 23, 2015
Med's Request
May 12, 2015
Med's Done....
May 22, 2015..TLU updated on June 2, 2015
bluestone said:
I am a 25th September applicant. So I can understand how does it feel.

Even I was disheartened one day but friends in this forum helped me to get out of it.

Do not cancel your tickets. You are going in that plane only. Its the matter of a few days.

You have got your TLU already so your file is waiting for Bring Forward Date. It will open for review and you will see that Golden mail in your inbox...!!
That gives a bit of relief to me as well :) was just not able to understand why my so called " Bring forward date " of the file is so late :( :(

Can that be because my RPRF and medical receipts reached late ?? I submitted them to my consultant in delhi on 1st June. My deadline was 12th June to received all the documents by VO. I asked consultant if it would reach on time and they assured me that 10 days are more than enough to reach the files from here to warsaw.

Was just worried if this could be the reason of delay :(
 

aakashraje

Star Member
Sep 9, 2014
121
5
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO
NOC Code......
2172
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
26-11-2014
Nomination.....
PER 17-02-2015
AOR Received.
25-03-2015
File Transfer...
SLU 30-04-2015
Med's Request
08-05-2015
Med's Done....
20-05-2015
Interview........
TlU on 04-06-2015
Passport Req..
DM on 06-08-2015, PPR on 07-08-2015
ishangarg said:
NOC 2131

Timeline is as follows

MR request : 06th may
MR done : 11 May
TLU :- 22 May
Documents received at Warsaw: 25 May
DM :- 06 May
PPR :- still waiting
Do you have fourth line in ecas inside decision made?
 

jj_ind

Star Member
Jul 9, 2015
154
81
Category........
Visa Office......
Warsaw
NOC Code......
3011
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
28-11-2014
Med's Request
08-05-2015
Med's Done....
20-05-2015
Interview........
TLU: 10-06-2015
Passport Req..
PPR: 17-11-2015
VISA ISSUED...
Visa Issued: 03-12-2015
LANDED..........
Landing expected: April 2016
mamuthebug said:
im getting really frustrated and impatient .....Just not getting for what or why my file is held up? Even all Nov & Dec applicants are getting their DM/ PPR.
All my plans are going down the drain. Iam cancelling my tickets that I had booked in anticipation some months ago. Now i will serve all 3 months notice in my company.
Seriously having second thoughts about this immigration now....in case my file is kept in the dark forever....
:( :mad: ??? ::)
Be positive bro! I'm Nov applicant and MR of 8 May waiting for PPR.
Just stay calm and optimistic
 

amar1701

Member
Aug 4, 2015
17
0
Got DM today.........
NOC 2133

Timeline is as follows
PER: 26 Jan
MR request : 09 May
TLU :- 20 May
Documents received at Warsaw: 01 June 2015
DM :- 06 August
 

Rohitl.

Star Member
Jun 19, 2015
95
2
New Delhi, India
Category........
Visa Office......
NDVO transferred to WVO
NOC Code......
1212
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Sep 22, 2014
Nomination.....
PER : Jan 8, 2015
AOR Received.
Feb 3, 2015
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
File Transfer...
SLU : April 23, 2015
Med's Request
May 12, 2015
Med's Done....
May 22, 2015..TLU updated on June 2, 2015
amar1701 said:
Got DM today.........
NOC 2133

Timeline is as follows
PER: 26 Jan
MR request : 09 May
TLU :- 20 May
Documents received at Warsaw: 01 June 2015
DM :- 06 August
Patience paid off. Hope u receive the PPR soon..good luck