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johnsyk

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astralsource said:
Actually things are not so simple. If they were, we would have PR in an hour. They have their own way of processing as posted before and it can take 2-9 months, as you said every case is different.

The anatomy of a standard application is as follows:

1. Enter the EE pool.

2. Receive the ITA.

3. File application and supporting documents.

4. AoR - Automatically acknowledged, usually on the same day as submission.

5. The first step is to check for completeness. This usually triggers the application review "IN PROGRESS." This is done at the Centralized Intake Office (CIO).

6. Next stage is the R10 review. This is the first stringent check of the application against the EE profile you created. The Regulation 10 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations imposes a strict liability on the applicants to account for all documents uploaded, satisfy what was stated in the EE profile, and ensure that there are no gaps. If you do not provide the documents or they are filed incorrectly, your application can be rejected due to the strict liability on the applicant under this regulation. However, a lot depends on the agent reviewing the file. Under the R 10 review your IELTS, ECA are checked against the websites to ascertain that there is no misrepresentation. (R10 review is done within the 1-3 months of filing the application). If an applicant's age has changed from EE profile to ITA, then the same is recorded and his score determined. There is an exception clause for when the age changes, it keeps the CRS score intact. This is also done at the CIO level. Most of the applications are rejected here because they are incomplete.

7. At the R10 review, if you have any documents missing, the application is rejected, or more time is given to file the document if there is a Letter of Explanation (LoE). It largely depends on the agent reviewing it. Some are brutal and will reject the application even for a minor error.

8. Usually, by this stage, the medicals are also passed. Recently some applicants received request to re-access their medicals when the file reached the Local Visa Office (LVO). I have a theory for this, but in most cases, once the medicals are passed, they are good until the final review stage. The applicants who received a reassesment for the medicals could be because of two reasons:
a. The doctor or the facility which examined them had a complaint against it, or the CIC found something fishy about how things were being conducted there; or
b. The medicals did not disclose the required parameters, or the applicant had an underlying medical issue, which the CIC wanted to get re-assessed.

8. Now the next stage is to determine eligibility, i.e. whether the application meets the program prerequisites under which it is filed. For FSW, your experience, letters of reference, education, etc are in order. For the PNP, FSW and your nomination is present, for CEC, your Canadian experience is on file. And, so on so forth for the other categories. The objective here is to review whether you meet the program threshold and what you claim is correct. If there is any suspicion, or things don't sound good, the agent can send your application for further review. Which includes an interview, extra doc request etc. If the applicant meets the requirements, and his score is over the cut off for the ITA she received, his eligibility is passed. If there are issues, they will be addressed. This usually happens at the LVO. This stage happens when the application is usually 4-5 months into the process. At this stage, if the eligibility is met, the chances of refusal considerably go down, unless there is a criminal history. However, if your score goes down due to CIC not acknowledging your experience, NOC and reference letters not matching, or a change in age, the application is rejected.

9. As soon as the eligibility is met, next comes the security and criminality (or background check). Usually the criminality is met through the Police Clearance Certificates (PCC) uploaded with the application. If the applicant has been to a country which is suspicious, or your travel history does show frequent visits to a country without any explanation, the same are recorded and evaluated. If things look good, your criminality is passed. A lot of applicants receive a request for Schedule A at this stage to ensure no gap time is present and the history is clear.

10. The last and the final stage is the security. This is a serious & time-consuming stage, involving many agencies, including Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), International Police (INTERPOL), Criminal Database Checking & touch-base with Local Police. Many things are considered here. Number of countries visited, Applicant coming from 'certain' countries, past law enforcement or military record, Prolonged stay in a country w/out sufficient docs to prove cause, frequent traveling to certain nations, your *Name (?), Inter-Religion/Nationality Marriages etc. If everything is simple & straight, the file soon gets into the 'final review' stage. If there are any 'red flags', the case goes into a 'spin'. Then the file might go to the local Police/intelligence agencies; the outcome/timeframe of which is beyond the control of CIC. And thereby the timeframe can be anything [sometimes beyond 1yr]. But, usually this stage should be over within 1-2 months. However, a point to be noted is that the applicant can also be called for an Interview [at this stage], due to this reason. For some people the security has a quick turn around. But in the last two weeks a lot of applicants are stuck at this stage.

11. At the final review, when the security results come in, the PPR is issued.
From what I have seen in this forum, background checks/security are what that takes the longest time. A lot of people stuck beyond 8 months I think are stuck due to background checks which are mainly based on Nationality or red flags in travel history (traveling repeatedly to a particular country for no apparent reason). The rest of the things like R10 Reviews, PCC etc I think are all routine stuff for the VO since they have the experience of going through thousands of these. I am sure they are experienced enough to pick up a red flag pretty quickly.
 

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johnsyk said:
From what I have seen in this forum, background checks/security are what that takes the longest time. A lot of people stuck beyond 8 months I think are stuck due to background checks which are mainly based on Nationality or red flags in travel history (traveling repeatedly to a particular country for no apparent reason). The rest of the things like R10 Reviews, PCC etc I think are all routine stuff for the VO since they have the experience of going through thousands of these. I am sure they are experienced enough to pick up a red flag pretty quickly.

yeah that makes perfect sense :)
 

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security and background check takes long for some applicants because, usually certain % are sent to external agencies to be checked.

Some applicants as rightly said, will go these checks as standard due to visits to some countries or activity they had in the past.
 

astralsource

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Wolverine17 said:
I am not worried about time as much as i am worried of a rejection,good luck to all
Hmm worst case scenario: being rejected after 3 months of waiting.. goodLuck.
 

Wolverine17

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astralsource said:
Hmm worst case scenario: being rejected after 3 months of waiting.. goodLuck.
Yes but i think that late rejections are kind of rare,hopefully no early or late rejections lol
 

lildip

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after how long I started to believe that my application will not be rejected?

what is the current trend?
 

astralsource

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johnsyk said:
I agree. Every case is different. But remember the ray of hope thread? We used to wait and hope every Wednesday. I still go there and read the hopes and dreams of folks without an ITA. The Tracker is the Ray of Hope for post AOR applicants. :) We can never be sure when our time will come, but the tracker will give us a trend and keep our hope alive of getting a PPR sooner than later. :)
I currently live on a Ray of Hope threads.
 

johnsyk

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Wolverine17 said:
I am not worried about time as much as i am worried of a rejection,good luck to all
Exactly my point too. If I knew for sure that I am going to get PR, I don't even care if it takes a year too. The issue is waiting for 3 - 4 months and then getting rejected for some reason. That sucks. I have checked my uploaded documents multiple times and I have uploaded every single document needed. But there is always that element of uncertainty.. Its like we have all come a long way and we can see the finish line in the distance but we still need to keep going on!

Its a waiting game.
Every step of the way.

1 - Apply for IELTS
2 - Waiting for Exam
3 - Writing Exam
4 - Waiting for Result (If no CLB 9 Repeat)
5 - Apply for Transcripts
6 - Waiting for Transcripts
7 - Apply for ECA
8 - Waiting for that stupid status to change to 'évaluation in progress'.
9 - Get ECA
10 - Get into Pool
11 - Waiting
12 - Praying
13 - Hoping on Ray of Hope
14 - More Waiting

15 - ITA
16 - Waiting for PCC
17 - Waiting for Reference Letters

18 - Applying
19 - AOR
20 - Waiting for Medical ( This is where we are)
21 - Waiting for Background Change
22 - Waiting for PPR

23 - Submit Passport
24 - Waiting for COPR

Patience is key. Its a waiting game. ;D
 

astralsource

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johnsyk said:
Exactly my point too. If I knew for sure that I am going to get PR, I don't even care if it takes a year too. The issue is waiting for 3 - 4 months and then getting rejected for some reason. That sucks. I have checked my uploaded documents multiple times and I have uploaded every single document needed. But there is always that element of uncertainty.. Its like we have all come a long way and we can see the finish line in the distance but we still need to keep going on!

Its a waiting game.
Every step of the way.

1 - Apply for IELTS
2 - Waiting for Exam
3 - Writing Exam
4 - Waiting for Result (If no CLB 9 Repeat)
5 - Apply for Transcripts
6 - Waiting for Transcripts
7 - Apply for ECA
8 - Waiting for that stupid status to change to 'évaluation in progress'.
9 - Get ECA
10 - Get into Pool
11 - Waiting
12 - Praying
13 - Hoping on Ray of Hope
14 - More Waiting

15 - ITA
16 - Waiting for PCC
17 - Waiting for Reference Letters

18 - Applying
19 - AOR
20 - Waiting for Medical ( This is where we are)
21 - Waiting for Background Change
22 - Waiting for PPR

23 - Submit Passport
24 - Waiting for COPR

Patience is key. Its a waiting game. ;D
Oh God I love your post. +1 This is our journey.
 

astralsource

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Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
 
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johnsyk

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astralsource said:
Oh God I love your post. +1 This is our journey.
THank you :)

The journey is condensed. If you think about it, there is so much more... like many folks including me waiting for OINP to open.
Spent all December worrying about when OINP will open since scores in 2016 were so high. I even made an Ontario Intent letter. Thankfully, didn't need OINP!
 

johnsyk

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astralsource said:
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
+1
 

astralsource

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Med's Done....
13-04-2017
johnsyk said:
THank you :)

The journey is condensed. If you think about it, there is so much more... like many folks including me waiting for OINP to open.
Spent all December worrying about when OINP will open since scores in 2016 were so high. I even made an Ontario Intent letter. Thankfully, didn't need OINP!
Haha oh yes. I have at least 100 pages of documents printed for SINP lol + a whole investigation about Prince Edward Island including fantasies of me living by the sea. Ah well, good thing we're on point 20 already!! And even I have to re-enter the pool again, I'll have all the documents ready and be sure now I got it right. At least I will take a break from life a little since I quit my job. Maybe I find a new me, start painting and knitting... : )))
 
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johnsyk

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8-4-2017
astralsource said:
Haha oh yes. I have at least 100 pages of documents printed for SINP lol + a whole investigation about Prince Edward Island including fantasies of me living by the sea. Ah well, good thing we're on point 20 already!! And even I have to re-enter the pool again, I'll have all the documents ready and be sure now I got it right. At least I will take a break from life a little since I quit my job. Maybe I find a new me, start painting and knitting... : )))
My partner had to take IELTS twice to get CLB 9. Before she got her CLB 9, I was fantasising about living in Halifax Nova Scotia since that was my only hope! I researched everything and I even know all about the famous light house in Halifax and their dreaded snow storms. ;D ;D

And freakin NSNP hasn't opened even now! LOL