Family visa refused, weird reasons?!

[Keyjoe23]

Hi there,

I'm graduated and employed in Canada as a software engineer at Microsoft and last December I applied for a Travel Visa for my stepfather and my stepsister.

Today I got rejection letter for both mentioning the following:-

- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your personal assets and financial status.

-> For financial documents, the application required that I submit my letter of employment since I'm inviting them and my salary in the letter exceeds 100k CAD a year, not sure how much more I need. In addition, I also attached his bank statement, monthly salary + my mother's assets in the bank that exceeds 300k CAD. What went wrong here?

- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your family ties in Canada and in your country of residence

-> This I don't understand. I thought it gets easier for a person to get a visa when he has family ties in Canada. And the visa application is simply me inviting them to visit Canada so there must be family tie. Also his letter of employment states very clearly that he is a judge and he is still working so he must be returning anyway. What went wrong here?

- I am not satisfied that you will leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident, as stipulated in paragraph 179(b) of the IRPR, based on your travel history.

-> Unfortunately, in his current passport and in the past 10 years, there is no travel history for him. How can we fix that?


Important questions:
- Since the application was about visiting family member/relatives, I submitted my work employment letter that mentions my yearly income exceeding 100k CAD, does it play against them if I also attach their income in their country? Cause I can't believe they rejected it for insufficient funds when they are only coming for 10 days, 2 members, and I already have everything (Apartment, income, car etc)..

- My other step sister is applying for her Study Permit soon, now I'm afraid that she gets rejected too. When she applies, does she need to only submit her father and mother bank statements? Or she can also include my letter of employment in Canada mentioning that since I'm her step brother I'll also be responsible financially of her? I just wanna be super careful in this application in particular and I don't know mentioning about me taking care of her expenses can be something against her...

Thanks a lot

 

[Naturgrl]

Order GCMS notes. Your income, house, car etc are not considered or factored in. So you showing employment income and not them worked against you. They must show their income, employment letters, liquid funds.

If your step father and step sister come to Canada, what are their ties for both of them. Having family in Canada doesn’t make is easier necessarily.

How old is your sister who was refused?

Travel history can only be addressed with approved visas and travel to US, Uk, NZ or AUS.

When your step sister applies, she needs to show her own funds (so parents). Your income may be considered but again may work against her because it shows she may not be able to fund her studies.

 

[Keyjoe23]

Order GCMS notes. Your income, house, car etc are not considered or factored in. So you showing employment income and not them worked against you. They must show their income, employment letters, liquid funds.

If your step father and step sister come to Canada, what are their ties for both of them. Having family in Canada doesn’t make is easier necessarily.

How old is your sister who was refused?

Travel history can only be addressed with approved visas and travel to US, Uk, NZ or AUS.

When your step sister applies, she needs to show her own funds (so parents). Your income may be considered but again may work against her because it shows she may not be able to fund her studies.

- I showed everything. Not only my income, but also his (Bank statements, Letter of employment + salary). Looking again at the PDF I found that his bank statement doesn't have a big number, but again, the financial document in the portal was stating that I (The sponsor) need to upload his document, not them. So maybe because I added his documents too it played against him?

If you apply for a TRV and you mention to visit relatives/family member, at the end when you upload the documents, the financial document states that the person who is inviting you is the one responsible to upload his financial document.


- She is 13 years old. I added her in the application of her father (my stepfather).

- Travel History -> Means that there is no way for him and her to come to Canada unless they get approved in any of these countries mentioned above? That's so complicated.. My mother got her TRV and she never had any travel history.. :/

- I got it ( About my 2nd step sister and her Study Permit).

 

[Naturgrl]

- I showed everything. Not only my income, but also his (Bank statements, Letter of employment + salary). Looking again at the PDF I found that his bank statement doesn't have a big number, but again, the financial document in the portal was stating that I (The sponsor) need to upload his document, not them. So maybe because I added his documents too it played against him?

If you apply for a TRV and you mention to visit relatives/family member, at the end when you upload the documents, the financial document states that the person who is inviting you is the one responsible to upload his financial document.


- She is 13 years old. I added her in the application of her father (my stepfather).

- Travel History -> Means that there is no way for him and her to come to Canada unless they get approved in any of these countries mentioned above? That's so complicated.. My mother got her TRV and she never had any travel history.. :/

- I got it ( About my 2nd step sister and her Study Permit).

Don't reapply until you have GCMS notes. Not sure what you mean by sponsorship. There is no such thing for a visitor visa. If your stepfather didn’t submit enough income showing funds for two people then that is an issue. Your income and employment letters are irrelevant unless you are PR and applying for a supervisa. No travel history is okay if he (not you) shows strong funds, strong ties for both (sister should have school letters, registration etc.). Ties are weakened if you live in Canada and your mother has a visitor visa.

 

[Keyjoe23]

Don't reapply until you have GCMS notes. Not sure what you mean by sponsorship. There is no such thing for a visitor visa. If your stepfather didn’t submit enough income showing funds for two people then that is an issue. Your income and employment letters are irrelevant unless you are PR and applying for a supervisa. No travel history is okay if he (not you) shows strong funds, strong ties for both (sister should have school letters, registration etc.). Ties are weakened if you live in Canada and your mother has a visitor visa.

Not sure what I mean by sponsorship-> When you apply for TRV, you select the reason, if you pick visit family member, at the end in the documents section, for the proof of funds, they require that I, the person who lives in Canada to upload my financial documents, not the applicant (Stepfather in my case).


I will apply today for GCMS notes and will re-apply for them once I have better supporting documents.

 

[canuck78]

Not sure what I mean by sponsorship-> When you apply for TRV, you select the reason, if you pick visit family member, at the end in the documents section, for the proof of funds, they require that I, the person who lives in Canada to upload my financial documents, not the applicant (Stepfather in my case).


I will apply today for GCMS notes and will re-apply for them once I have better supporting documents.

The applicant is required upload their financial documents. You can fill out TRV on behalf of your father and sister but the questions are technically directed to the applicant.

 

[Keyjoe23]

Don't reapply until you have GCMS notes. Not sure what you mean by sponsorship. There is no such thing for a visitor visa. If your stepfather didn’t submit enough income showing funds for two people then that is an issue. Your income and employment letters are irrelevant unless you are PR and applying for a supervisa. No travel history is okay if he (not you) shows strong funds, strong ties for both (sister should have school letters, registration etc.). Ties are weakened if you live in Canada and your mother has a visitor visa.

Today I got the GCMS notes result

https://ibb.co/5jw6Lhr

I guess the Bank Statement that I provided for him where it had a very few money caused the issue, I misunderstood the document requirement and thought by showing them that I work here (as a stepson) with decent salary would be enough, especially that I already have my apartment and car.

Now I'm going to apply for my sister's SP and clearly I'll have to add his financial status again (After of course fixing them), but I'm worried they think we borrowed the money or something which is not the case.

 

[Naturgrl]

Today I got the GCMS notes result

https://ibb.co/5jw6Lhr

I guess the Bank Statement that I provided for him where it had a very few money caused the issue, I misunderstood the document requirement and thought by showing them that I work here (as a stepson) with decent salary would be enough, especially that I already have my apartment and car.

Now I'm going to apply for my sister's SP and clearly I'll have to add his financial status again (After of course fixing them), but I'm worried they think we borrowed the money or something which is not the case.

Funds are just one issue. Your funds really are irrelevant. Travel history is another issue which they can’t change unless they have visas and have travelled to the US, UK, NZ or AUS. What family does your step father and step sister have in their home country? They need to show stronger ties too - jobs, schooling, property, investments etc.

 

[scylla]

Today I got the GCMS notes result

https://ibb.co/5jw6Lhr

I guess the Bank Statement that I provided for him where it had a very few money caused the issue, I misunderstood the document requirement and thought by showing them that I work here (as a stepson) with decent salary would be enough, especially that I already have my apartment and car.

Now I'm going to apply for my sister's SP and clearly I'll have to add his financial status again (After of course fixing them), but I'm worried they think we borrowed the money or something which is not the case.

You can include an LOE (letter of explanation) of you want to explain the difference between the two applications. For the SP application, you'll want to show they have a bank balance of at least $25,000 in available funds to cover tuition of approx $15K per year and living expenses. I'm assuming you've already found a school that is willing to accept her as a student. You'll also need to complete the paperwork to appoint yourself as guardian.

Good luck with the new application.

 

[Naturgrl]

You can include an LOE (letter of explanation) of you want to explain the difference between the two applications. For the SP application, you'll want to show they have a bank balance of at least $25,000 in available funds to cover tuition of approx $15K per year and living expenses. I'm assuming you've already found a school that is willing to accept her as a student. You'll also need to complete the paperwork to appoint yourself as guardian.

Good luck with the new application.

I think there are two step-sisters. One who applied with her step-father and they were refused visitor visas. And another who has yet to apply for a study permit. The issue is the father showing funds for his children.

 

[scylla]

I think there are two step-sisters. One who applied with her step-father and they were refused visitor visas. And another who has yet to apply for a study permit. The issue is the father showing funds for his children.

Ah - I totally missed that.

 

[Keyjoe23]

I think there are two step-sisters. One who applied with her step-father and they were refused visitor visas. And another who has yet to apply for a study permit. The issue is the father showing funds for his children.

That's correct.

I have 2 step sisters.

I applied for my step father and 1 step sister for the travel visa, they both got rejected for the reasons mentioned in the notes.

However, my 2nd step sister got already accepted in a university in Canada and I'm going to apply for her Study Permit this month. I already prepared the following financial documents for her:

1) Step-Father letter of bank that he hold an amount of 40k CAD (In local currency). (Note: I know that bank letters alone are not sufficient, however, on the CAQ site, they mention that they accept bank letters as proof of funds - Visit https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...nts-or-the-federal-ones.765108/#post-10050315 for more info)

2) Mother bank statement for the last 4 months with a balance of 19K CAD. (Local currency)

3) Mother investments certificates (deposits) worth of 160K CAD, generating 15% every year, with available funds of 90K CAD to be withdrawn at anytime. The total investment certificates will expire in July where she will get back all her funds available to withdraw (160K CAD). (Local currency)

4) Mother Factory registration (Proves that she has a running business in home country)

I'll mention that the mother and step-father are going to be fully responsible of her expenses during her studies.

I'm adding the Step-Father Bank letter and not statement because he had to deposit the amount 1 shot and it looks suspicious especially that he just got rejected for a visa as his bank account was almost empty (He uses the money in the Market).

Would these documents be enough? Do I need to remove something?

@scylla I truly appreciate your responses, you have always been there providing answers back when I was a study in 2017.

Funds are just one issue. Your funds really are irrelevant. Travel history is another issue which they can’t change unless they have visas and have travelled to the US, UK, NZ or AUS. What family does your step father and step sister have in their home country? They need to show stronger ties too - jobs, schooling, property, investments etc.

He travelled to France and Netherlands in 2002, I did not mention these as they ask in the application the travel history in the last 5 or 10 years if I remember correctly. Maybe next time I can include the visas he got in his old passport with the stamps that he went to Europe in the last 20 years.

Also I guess if I apply for them again for visitor visa and mention that they are visiting their daughter (and sister) would be more convenient than step son (me).

 

[scylla]

That's correct.

I have 2 step sisters.

I applied for my step father and 1 step sister for the travel visa, they both got rejected for the reasons mentioned in the notes.

However, my 2nd step sister got already accepted in a university in Canada and I'm going to apply for her Study Permit this month. I already prepared the following financial documents for her:

1) Step-Father letter of bank that he hold an amount of 40k CAD (In local currency). (Note: I know that bank letters alone are not sufficient, however, on the CAQ site, they mention that they accept bank letters as proof of funds - Visit https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...nts-or-the-federal-ones.765108/#post-10050315 for more info)

2) Mother bank statement for the last 4 months with a balance of 19K CAD. (Local currency)

3) Mother investments certificates (deposits) worth of 160K CAD, generating 15% every year, with available funds of 90K CAD to be withdrawn at anytime. The total investment certificates will expire in July where she will get back all her funds available to withdraw (160K CAD). (Local currency)

4) Mother Factory registration (Proves that she has a running business in home country)

I'll mention that the mother and step-father are going to be fully responsible of her expenses during her studies.

I'm adding the Step-Father Bank letter and not statement because he had to deposit the amount 1 shot and it looks suspicious especially that he just got rejected for a visa as his bank account was almost empty (He uses the money in the Market).

Would these documents be enough? Do I need to remove something?

@scylla I truly appreciate your responses, you have always been there providing answers back when I was a study in 2017.




He travelled to France and Netherlands in 2002, I did not mention these as they ask in the application the travel history in the last 5 or 10 years if I remember correctly. Maybe next time I can include the visas he got in his old passport with the stamps that he went to Europe in the last 20 years.

Also I guess if I apply for them again for visitor visa and mention that they are visiting their daughter (and sister) would be more convenient than step son (me).

My two cents is to apply for the study permit first and hold off on reapply for the TRV. Wait for the study permit to be approved and for the older daughter to move to Canada and live here for several months on the study permit, then have the step father and younger sister reapply for the TRV with the purpose of visiting the older sister.

 

[Keyjoe23]

My two cents is to apply for the study permit first and hold off on reapply for the TRV. Wait for the study permit to be approved and for the older daughter to move to Canada and live here for several months on the study permit, then have the step father and younger sister reapply for the TRV with the purpose of visiting the older sister.

Yeah that's what I'm planning to do. Any comment on the financial documents I'm going to provide?

 

[EFK123]

So the issue is that you focused too much on your stuff here and not enough to tie them back to their own home country.. in a TRV, they need to be convinced that the applicant (your father in this case) has the funds, job back home, family ties back home. So keep that in mind when you do the next application.. having family here can actually not always strengthen visitor applications - needs to be balanced out with all the ties back home. But I agree with the rest - set this aside until your other sister comes here.
In her case, I would do the below:
1- Provide bank statements of both parents (bank statements are usually the strongest proof, as they are the most liquid cash available - not sure why you would think that they are not strong? Most people only have that as proof)
Then add the rest of the documents too.
2- Letter of financial proof from both parents confirming that they are fully funding her education and accommodation expenses and the total amount available = (highlight the total sum of all amounts on their bank statements and whatever will be available in August 2022 after your mother's deposit is available etc.) have a good number in bold as amount available before her semester will begin.
3- Ofcourse you attach the acceptance letter, tuition fees and university accommodation information if you have it and show that it will be covered by this amount and make sure there is enough extra on top of that for other usual expenses.
4 - Incase she will be staying with you during her study and not staying at university accommodation, make sure there is a letter from you that you will accommodate her and provide food etc.

Then once approved and she is here, the father and sister can apply for visit visa to come and see her, based on father's own financials.

Also go through this thread - these people have all been rejected for Student visa recently, so looks like you need to show good proof that your sister will go back to her home country too - all her ties there.. maybe try not to bring up very close ties with you here if she is not staying with you, and if you do, you should emphasize in cover letter that her real sisTer and parents are back home and she will definitely go back home after her studies are over.
https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...on-condition-but-never-been-to-canada.762818/