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RomaRowley

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My boyfriend came to visit me in May. He was granted a Visitor Record at the border for 1 month. Before it expired in June we applied for an extension. We have just found it that extension was refused due to the IO not believing he would leave at the end of his stay. They had asked for more documents in August and not realizing there was a deadline we missed it and have now received this letter of refusal.

The letter states he must leave immediately. He's from the US. We have always felt that we would eventually get married, it was just a matter of time. When we received the request for more documents (driver's licence, mortgage, return ticket, financial info [none of which he has]) we decided we would rather be married than have him leave and started planning a wedding.

We are due to be married Sept. 17th and we are now being told he must leave immediately.

I have no clue what the first step is here. We started an online application to reinstate status but I don't know if this is the correct avenue. The orginal extension reason was in order to further explore our relationship. But we would now like to apply for PR via spousal sponsorship. Do we apply for sponsorship? TRP or reinstatement of his Visitor Record? Is a visitor record the same thing as a temporary resident permit? Is the new reason "pending PR approval"?

What is the first step here?
 
well you have 2 options
1:inland spousal sponsorship apps (takes longer and harder to get,and no right of appeal)
2:outland spousal sponsorship apps (takes less time ,right of appeal)

because your bf or future hubby has an order to leave canada i suggest he must to do so in order to avoid any complications like the need for authorization to return to canada after your application for spousal is approved.still he will have a departation order if he leaves canada within the next 30 days after recieving the letter of refusal if he stays more, the departure order will turn into a deportation order and it might turn into exclusion order that he cant get into canada for 1 or 2 years.
it is a step by step process your best choice is to speak with a lawyer and decide which one is the best for you .regards
 
Hi, RomaRowley!

It seems like the best option for your fiance is to return to the US before the deadline that they gave him. Like the poster above me explained, avoiding a legal status in the country can turn very serious and can ban your future husband to visit you in the future. He should go back to the US and apply outland, and it would be a good idea to wait a little at least until you receive sponsorship approval, and he can try to cross the border with his PR approval and receipts etc. saying that he wishes to wait out the process with you in Canada.

Hope this helps!
 
kokobsb said:
well you have 2 options
1:inland spousal sponsorship apps (takes longer and harder to get,and no right of appeal)
2:outland spousal sponsorship apps (takes less time ,right of appeal)

because your bf or future hubby has an order to leave canada i suggest he must to do so in order to avoid any complications like the need for authorization to return to canada after your application for spousal is approved.still he will have a departation order if he leaves canada within the next 30 days after recieving the letter of refusal if he stays more, the departure order will turn into a deportation order and it might turn into exclusion order that he cant get into canada for 1 or 2 years.
it is a step by step process your best choice is to speak with a lawyer and decide which one is the best for you .regards

Just want to correct you on saying that inland is "harder to get". I disagree with that. Neither route is either easy or hard. Just wanted to make that clear. Unless you were trying to mean something otherwise than please do explain and I apologize.
 
By the way, given the circumstances, I would either.

A: Have the wedding as planned and have him stay for the wedding. After a refusal, you are given 30 days to leave Canada so he "should" be safe. Then mail off the application and have him return to the US for a bit.

B: Have him return to the US now and then fly with him for his return to Canada. You being with him is safer for him. Then get married and mail off the application. If he doesn't want to leave and wait out the processing then later he could apply for another extension, however, I would advice including everything possible so that they don't have request documents again.

Either way, I know I applied inland but that was dependent on our situation, I think you should apply outland and not get caught up in all the stress and hassle that can come from applying without status inland. It will cause you financial strain, worry, time, and stress. If you need any help getting him back here after sending the application than I advice you come back here. We can help you with that.

In my opinion I think choice A would be the best one for now but that is just because you already have plans, the date is so close, and if you just got the letter then you have 30 days from the time they signed the letter to leave Canada. You should be safe and he shouldn't have a problem returning since he still complied with everything.
 
Love_Young said:
Just want to correct you on saying that inland is "harder to get". I disagree with that. Neither route is either easy or hard. Just wanted to make that clear. Unless you were trying to mean something otherwise than please do explain and I apologize.
everything is hard but i wrote like that because lets say if their inland was refused considering that the person who was ordered to leave already doesnt have the right to apply the spousal sponsorship application (inland) as mentioned in cic's website ,and they will not know the answer up untill they paid the 550 for the application money and bammmm its refused that is why it is harder to get the first stage approval and plus lets say the officer was nice and accepted the inland to proceed he will not be able to work or he will not have an insurance because once he had a departure order .you dont need to apologize i appologize becasue i didnt make myself clear.
 
RomaRowley said:
My boyfriend came to visit me in May. He was granted a Visitor Record at the border for 1 month. Before it expired in June we applied for an extension. We have just found it that extension was refused due to the IO not believing he would leave at the end of his stay. They had asked for more documents in August and not realizing there was a deadline we missed it and have now received this letter of refusal.

The letter states he must leave immediately. He's from the US. We have always felt that we would eventually get married, it was just a matter of time. When we received the request for more documents (driver's licence, mortgage, return ticket, financial info [none of which he has]) we decided we would rather be married than have him leave and started planning a wedding.

We are due to be married Sept. 17th and we are now being told he must leave immediately.

I have no clue what the first step is here. We started an online application to reinstate status but I don't know if this is the correct avenue. The orginal extension reason was in order to further explore our relationship. But we would now like to apply for PR via spousal sponsorship. Do we apply for sponsorship? TRP or reinstatement of his Visitor Record? Is a visitor record the same thing as a temporary resident permit? Is the new reason "pending PR approval"?

What is the first step here?

r u from vancouver? if so i can give u the info of an awesome laywer, i would talk to a lawyer personally
 
Thank you everyone for the advice. We are sitting down with a lawyer on Monday. I will post back what the lawyer advises us to do. I will plan for option A in the meantime. I must say, this is the most terrifying stress I have ever gone through. I think mostly because I feel so powerless and uninformed.

MrsCasanova: no, we are in Alberta. Thanks though.
 
RomaRowley, don't get overwhelmed and stressed now. It gets better, but after you succeed and prevail through it getting much worse.

Stay strong and good luck - for your marriage and your family class application!

Enjoy your wedding - your date is our six month wedding anniversary (in a 6 plus year relationship) so I extend our blessings to you.
 
tgchi13 said:
RomaRowley, don't get overwhelmed and stressed now. It gets better, but after you succeed and prevail through it getting much worse.

Stay strong and good luck - for your marriage and your family class application!

Enjoy your wedding - your date is our six month wedding anniversary (in a 6 plus year relationship) so I extend our blessings to you.

Thank you very much for your words and blessings :) It's very much appreciated.
 
RomaRowley said:
My boyfriend came to visit me in May. He was granted a Visitor Record at the border for 1 month. Before it expired in June we applied for an extension. We have just found it that extension was refused due to the IO not believing he would leave at the end of his stay. They had asked for more documents in August and not realizing there was a deadline we missed it and have now received this letter of refusal.

The letter states he must leave immediately. He's from the US. We have always felt that we would eventually get married, it was just a matter of time. When we received the request for more documents (driver's licence, mortgage, return ticket, financial info [none of which he has]) we decided we would rather be married than have him leave and started planning a wedding.

We are due to be married Sept. 17th and we are now being told he must leave immediately.

I have no clue what the first step is here. We started an online application to reinstate status but I don't know if this is the correct avenue. The orginal extension reason was in order to further explore our relationship. But we would now like to apply for PR via spousal sponsorship. Do we apply for sponsorship? TRP or reinstatement of his Visitor Record? Is a visitor record the same thing as a temporary resident permit? Is the new reason "pending PR approval"?

What is the first step here?
The problem was that you applied for the extension to his status before he was eligible to be sponsored for permanent status as a family member, and you indicated as the reason that you wanted more time to "explore" your relationship. The Family Class processing guide makes it clear (in Section 5.46) that Immigration Canada "decided that it no longer wanted to be in the business of assessing future relationships or the intention of two individuals to establish and maintain a conjugal relationship. Thus, there is no fiancé(e) category in the IRPA and Regulations." The fact that he was documented on a 1 month visitor record in the first place, when he's from the US and would normally be alllowed a 6 months stay, indicates that the officer who assessed his entry to Canada had doubts about his intention to leave at the end of his authorized stay - so that didn't help. Filing the extension ap when you hadn't married only confirmed what the officer at the port of entry believed about him, so you have to tread carefully now. Although they have not specified a date for him to leave, they are serious about him doing so as soon as possible. I doubt that applying for restoration of status will help at this point, and you won't be doing yourselves any favours as far as him being able to come to Canada in the future if you ignore this demand that he leave.

At this point, getting married is not going to change the order to leave. In my humble opinion, your best course of action (if you're planning a wedding in Canada) is to get married as planned and then he needs to go. If you don't want to be separated, plan a honeymoon outside Canada and go with him. After he's been out of the country for at least a few weeks, and you've had time to submit an application to sponsor him for permanent status, you can accompany him back to a Canadian port of entry - be able to prove that you're legally married and that you've submitted an application to sponsor him - and ask that he be allowed to remain with you in Canada while waiting for a decision. That's similar to LoveYoung's Option "A". The suggestion for Option "B" will not work - he would almost certainly be turned back at the border, whether you're with him or not, because the two of you will not yet be married and so he would still not be eligible to be sponsored. That's the key. Read through the info at the Visiting tab of US2Canada about Visitor Records for more info.

Remember, if he comes to Canada to wait out the processing of a PR application, he will not be eligible to work or even attend school for as long as it takes to finalize the application. The suggestion is always that you apply via the outland application route (processed through Buffalo), even if he is staying in Canada with you, because it's faster. If you apply inland he won't even get to first stage approval until at least 8-9 months after you submit the application and that's only if he has valid status in Canada at the time that you submit the application. If you try to apply inland after you get married, while he doesn't have valid temporary status, his application will end up being transferred to a local office for processing and that can delay him getting even first stage approval for up to a couple of years. Please DON'T put yourselves in that situation. I would spend some time this week going over the application forms and document requirements for the outland application and get as much of it done as you can. You can also see if you can get him in to see a DMP for his immigration medical exam this week. The more you have done before the wedding, the sooner you can submit the application after the wedding and the sooner you'll be able to bring him back into the country - but don't delay his leaving. You will want to be able to demonstrate that he left as soon as possible after the demand to go.
 
Hi all,

Robsluv, I'm sorry I didn't see your post before today. We have been to the lawyer and he also stated that leaving would be ideal. He also stated it would not be necessary if we were getting married. According to the lawyer (who practices soley in immigration) We can and should apply for status restoration based now on being married and applying for permanent residency. He also stated that he can still apply for a temporary work visa (and work) if the employer has a valid LMO regardless of whether we are still in processing of the permanent residency.

Frankly, I must admit that after seeing the lawyer, I came up with more questions and am still relatively confused. We were married on Friday and I'm just about to sit down and mull over the applications and round up everything we need.

Robsluv, due to work I am unable to leave the country for weeks. If he leaves, I will not be able to go with him. Should he leave, he would go to Iowa, live with family, possibly get a job...BUT...let us honestly consider this question: what employer would be willing to hire a man who's wife is in Canada and who is applying or permanent residency in Canada?

Our application was not necessarily denied due to what we stated in the extension but due to the fact that we did not respond to further questions in a timely manner. He was told at the border that if he wanted to stay longer he would have to apply for an extension prior to his visitor's record expiring. Which we did.

At this point, I'm still lost and can't really afford to sit down with the lawyer again at $150/half hr.