Express Entry and Quebec

[DorianCarlmikael]

Hi everyone.

So I applied for he Express Entry as the immigration for Quebec is a nightmare. I was wondering, how long would I have to stay out of Quebec once I get my PR before I can move to Montreal without fearing that the government would think I lied on my application?

 

[ashu1710]

Hi everyone.

So I applied for he Express Entry as the immigration for Quebec is a nightmare. I was wondering, how long would I have to stay out of Quebec once I get my PR before I can move to Montreal without fearing that the government would think I lied on my application?

After you complete your "landing", you officially become a permanent resident, which means you can live in any part of Canada (including Quebec). The government won't "think" you lied on your application (governments are bureaucratic machines, not people. They follow rules). You did not have the intention to settle in Quebec when you applied. Intentions can change over time.

You can move to Quebec as soon as you complete your landing.

 

[g126]

After you complete your "landing", you officially become a permanent resident, which means you can live in any part of Canada (including Quebec). The government won't "think" you lied on your applications. You did not have the intention to settle in Quebec when you applied. Intentions can change over time.

You can move to Quebec as soon as you complete your landing.

Yes... but only if you apply as FSW or CEC... If you join a PNP then you should respect their requirements and move to the corresponding Province for some time.

 

[DorianCarlmikael]

Yes... but only if you apply as FSW or CEC... If you join a PNP then you should respect their requirements and move to the corresponding Province for some time.

After you complete your "landing", you officially become a permanent resident, which means you can live in any part of Canada (including Quebec). The government won't "think" you lied on your application (governments are bureaucratic machines, not people. They follow rules). You did not have the intention to settle in Quebec when you applied. Intentions can change over time.

You can move to Quebec as soon as you complete your landing.

No I've just received my ita now (no email yet but the draw is below my points. Still can't believe it. Ita not through PNP . Kinda relieved I an move directly to quebec as the rental in Toronto seems insane.

Thanks for ur answer

 

[g126]

No I've just received my ita now (no email yet but the draw is below my points. Still can't believe it. Ita not through PNP . Kinda relieved I an move directly to quebec as the rental in Toronto seems insane.

Thanks for ur answer

Congrats on ITA and you're welcome!

 

[DorianCarlmikael]

Congrats on ITA and you're welcome!

Thanks a lot. Still can't believe it. And still waiting the email confirming it.

 

[ashu1710]

Yes... but only if you apply as FSW or CEC... If you join a PNP then you should respect their requirements and move to the corresponding Province for some time.

BEFORE you land, yes. Your PR status cannot be revoked for moving out of your nominated province as it's unconstitutional. Your PR visa can be cancelled if you don't demonstrate intent to move to your nominated province during your landing interview, however.

Pretty much the only way your PR status can be revoked is if

1) There was fraud\misrepresentation involved.
2) You are convicted of a crime and sentenced to jail for 6 months or more.

 

[g126]

BEFORE you land, yes. Your PR status cannot be revoked for moving out of your nominated province as it's unconstitutional. Your PR visa can be cancelled if you don't demonstrate intent to move to your nominated province during your landing interview, however.

Pretty much the only way your PR status can be revoked is if

1) There was fraud\misrepresentation involved.
2) You are convicted of a crime and sentenced to jail for 6 months or more.

When you go through PNP you need to submit a schedule 4 basically signing a statement that you intent to reside on the province that nominated you.

If you then move straight to another province without even stepping the the province that nominated you this could be constituted as fraud\misrepresentation as you've effectively lied on your application.

I know some people do it and I know that there is no record of a PR being revoked because of this but that's probably because it's more trouble that it's worth for the nominating province to go after these people. Having said that I saw a post early last year of a guy who applied to to SINP and went elsewhere.. Two months after landing he got a very nasty email form Saskatchewan saying that if he didn't move to Saskatchewan they were going to do whatever it was possible to get CIC to revoke his PR... Not sure how that ended, but it sure is a headache you could do without as soon as you land!

Bottom line, applying to a PNP when you have no intention to follow though it's just not cool man, as provinces give out PNP because they are in desperate need for that skilled labour and taking advantage of that without giving back you're just taking the spot of someone else who could have contributed to that province!

 

[ashu1710]

When you go through PNP you need to submit a schedule 4 basically signing a statement that you intent to reside on the province that nominated you.

If you then move straight to another province without even stepping the the province that nominated you this could be constituted as fraud\misrepresentation as you've effectively lied on your application.

No, it isn't. It's morally wrong, I agree, but fraud\misrepresentation are legal terms with precise definitions, which don't apply here.

I know some people do it and I know that there is no record of a PR being revoked because of this but that's probably because it's more trouble that it's worth for the nominating province to go after these people.

Actually, they don't go after people because they'd lose in court on constitutional grounds. They do have other ways of disincentivizing such behaviour, thoguh.

Having said that I saw a post early last year of a guy who applied to to SINP and went elsewhere.. Two months after landing he got a very nasty email form Saskatchewan saying that if he didn't move to Saskatchewan they were going to do whatever it was possible to get CIC to revoke his PR... Not sure how that ended, but it sure is a headache you could do without as soon as you land!

Interesting. Do you have a link to that post?

Bottom line, applying to a PNP when you have no intention to follow though it's just not cool man, as provinces give out PNP because they are in desperate need for that skilled labour and taking advantage of that without giving back you're just taking the spot of someone else who could have contributed to that province!

I agree, it's a sh***y thing to do, but morality and the law don't always coincide.

 

[DorianCarlmikael]

When you go through PNP you need to submit a schedule 4 basically signing a statement that you intent to reside on the province that nominated you.
No, it isn't. It's morally wrong, I agree, but fraud\misrepresentation are legal terms with precise definitions, which don't apply here.

Actually, they don't go after people because they'd lose in court on constitutional grounds. They do have other ways of disincentivizing such behaviour, thoguh.

Interesting. Do you have a link to that post?

I agree, it's a sh***y thing to do, but morality and the law don't always coincide.

Ok but without PNP I'm fine to go to quebec after landing right?

 

[g126]

When you go through PNP you need to submit a schedule 4 basically signing a statement that you intent to reside on the province that nominated you.
No, it isn't. It's morally wrong, I agree, but fraud\misrepresentation are legal terms with precise definitions, which don't apply here.

Actually, they don't go after people because they'd lose in court on constitutional grounds. They do have other ways of disincentivizing such behaviour, thoguh.

Interesting. Do you have a link to that post?

I agree, it's a sh***y thing to do, but morality and the law don't always coincide.

Couldn't find that exact post, it's a petty because he actually posted the letter/email he got. But found these:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/nbpnp-new-brunswick-skilled-workers-express-entry-category-network-here-t295243.0.html;msg5672022#msg5672022

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/sinp-international-skilled-worker-express-entry-subcategory-network-here-t302646.0.html;msg5573669#msg5573669

http://meurrensonimmigration.com/pnp-participants-denied-entry-at-the-border/

It appears that during landing the the officer suspects you may not got directly to you nomination province you could be denied entry, have PNP revoked and consequently PR revoked.

 

[g126]

Ok but without PNP I'm fine to go to quebec after landing right?

Good question... as the EE is not supposed to be used for Quebec I'm not sure! To be safe you should land somewhere else, stay there for a few days and then move to Quebec. Since you're not using a PNP I don't see any moral implications of doing this.