Do I stand a chance of PR? Best route?

[pwaddy]

I am currently living and working in Vancouver on a 2 year WHV.

Here are some details:

Age: 29
Education: 3 year degree, and a diploma
Work experience: 4 years.
Canadian work experience: 9 months
Job category: B (personal trainer)
Status: In relationship with a Canadian (not married or common law)
Language: English (haven't taken test but I am born and raised in England so shouldn't do badly)

According to this link I have 424 points at the minute which will increase to 464 once I've worked here for 1 year.

I would greatly appreciate any advice on my best route to apply and if I have enough credentials to make an application right away.

Thank you

 

[Andre_Smol]

As a native English speaker, I think you should be able to get close to the maximum possible points from your language exam. If you then wait to get the full year of Canadian work experience required to get extra points for that as well and do end up with 460+ points, I would say that your chances are excellent for receiving an ITA.

Based on the draws so far, when there were 1500 people selected per draw, it dropped as low as 450 and lately, with only 1000 people selected per draw it was usually around 470.

If you can get to 470+ by getting maximum points for language, which I think you should be able to, then you are almost guaranteed to be selected in the next draws and even at 460+ it should still easily be possible some time this year.

Did you calculate what your maximum score would be if you were to get the full points for language and had the full year of experience working in Canada?

 

[pwaddy]

Thank you, that sounds promising.

The score of 464 that I calculated was based on having 1 year experience in Canada and scoring maximum on the language test.

I'm not sure if there is anything else that could be done to enhance them further?

 

[Andre_Smol]

Thank you, that sounds promising.

The score of 464 that I calculated was based on having 1 year experience in Canada and scoring maximum on the language test.

I'm not sure if there is anything else that could be done to enhance them further?

Have you finished your ECA to have your diplomas assessed? You mentioned two different degrees so that should qualify you to enter two or more degrees, which is worth more points than just having the one degree but that will depend on the results of your assessment.

So if you only counted on one degree, that might add some points.

Also, keep in mind that when you turn 30, you will lose 5 points for your age.

The only other way you could then add points is if you apply for a PNP program from one of the provinces. You would have to look into which one you qualify for and also in which province you intend to live after PPR. A successful PNP application adds 600 points and guarantees you get an ITA in any draw.

If you can turn your working holiday visa into a job offer backed by an LMIA, assuming your employer can get you one, as they are hard to obtain these days, that would also get you the 600 extra points and guarantee you get selected in any future draw.

Keep in mind that both the ECA and the CELPIP/IELTS results are required before you can create your EE profile.

 

[pwaddy]

I haven't had anything assessed yet, I'm just in the early stages of seeking my options for staying here.

With regards to my degree, I have one 3 year BA Hons degree, then I have a diploma in personal training as a separate thing from my degree, as well as college education which I believe is the equivalent of a 2 year diploma.

Once I know I'm in a solid position to apply then I can move forwards with the ECA and the CELPIP/IELTS. I just thought it would be pointless doing these things if I don't actually currently have enough points?

I'll have to check the other 2 suggestions of PNP and LMIA through my employer. I don't know a great deal about those, so perhaps I can check if I am eligible for the PNP as a way to gain more points.

 

[Dexmoody]

I haven't had anything assessed yet, I'm just in the early stages of seeking my options for staying here.

With regards to my degree, I have one 3 year BA Hons degree, then I have a diploma in personal training as a separate thing from my degree, as well as college education which I believe is the equivalent of a 2 year diploma.

Once I know I'm in a solid position to apply then I can move forwards with the ECA and the CELPIP/IELTS. I just thought it would be pointless doing these things if I don't actually currently have enough points?

I'll have to check the other 2 suggestions of PNP and LMIA through my employer. I don't know a great deal about those, so perhaps I can check if I am eligible for the PNP as a way to gain more points.

You're definitely taking the right approach by estimating your chances first and then going ahead with forking over the cash for the assessments.

Use this tool to estimate your points:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

Anything in the vicinity of 470 points is currently a good score.

Having said that, you will only have full certainty once you complete your ECA and your IELTS test. In your case the ECA is probably the bigger unknown. The question is if your BA will be assessed as a three year equivalent degree, so that you can can choose "Two degrees..." in conjunction with your other degrees, which gives you way more points, especially in the skills transferability section.

IELTS should be a piece of cake for you. I do advise to familiarise yourself with the test though - some native speaker friends of mine went in blind and didn't get full scores. Watch out for the listening part especially, as this is as much a test in focusing and quick note taking as it is in language comprehension.

Good luck.

 

[pwaddy]

I'm starting to worry a little.

My degree is in a completely different area from the work I do now, and my diploma which qualified me to do the work I am in is not considered a graduate diploma of any kind. It just reads "Personal Trainer Diploma".

Just had a read up on the PNP too which is a little confusing. I'm not sure if anyone can just apply for that.

 

[bellaluna]

My degree is in a completely different area from the work I do now, and my diploma which qualified me to do the work I am in is not considered a graduate diploma of any kind.

It's not an issue at all.

 

[bestofluck]

You're definitely taking the right approach by estimating your chances first and then going ahead with forking over the cash for the assessments.

Use this tool to estimate your points:
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

Anything in the vicinity of 470 points is currently a good score.

Having said that, you will only have full certainty once you complete your ECA and your IELTS test. In your case the ECA is probably the bigger unknown. The question is if your BA will be assessed as a three year equivalent degree, so that you can can choose "Two degrees..." in conjunction with your other degrees, which gives you way more points, especially in the skills transferability section.

IELTS should be a piece of cake for you. I do advise to familiarise yourself with the test though - some native speaker friends of mine went in blind and didn't get full scores. Watch out for the listening part especially, as this is as much a test in focusing and quick note taking as it is in language comprehension.

Good luck.

using the score calculator without ECA or IELTS done is too approximate. Everyone assume getting clb 9 is easy and calculate.

 

[Dexmoody]

using the score calculator without ECA or IELTS done is too approximate. Everyone assume getting clb 9 is easy and calculate.

OP is a native speaker. If he looks over the test format once and then sits the test, he'll have no trouble at all achieving CLB 10 in all language abilities.

And of course it makes sense to estimate what you can achieve in a best case scenario first, because if you can't even get enough points in the most optimistic scenario, it doesn't make sense to pay for the assessments.

 

[bestofluck]

OP is a native speaker. If he looks over the test format once and then sits the test, he'll have no trouble at all achieving CLB 10 in all language abilities.

And of course it makes sense to estimate what you can achieve in a best case scenario first, because if you can't even get enough points in the most optimistic scenario, it doesn't make sense to pay for the assessments.

okay agreed. what i meant was just a .5 makes an drastic change to CRS.

 

[Andre_Smol]

I'm starting to worry a little.

My degree is in a completely different area from the work I do now, and my diploma which qualified me to do the work I am in is not considered a graduate diploma of any kind. It just reads "Personal Trainer Diploma".

Just had a read up on the PNP too which is a little confusing. I'm not sure if anyone can just apply for that.

Your degree doesnt have to match your work experience. A bachelor or masters degree always gets you the same amount of points, no matter what kind of job you have or had.

As far as PNP are concerned, the Ontario program is one of the few which do not require any ties to the province to apply, as long as you have 400+ points.

Other provinces have different programs, some require ties to a province, working in specific professions, speaking French and so on. The requirements differ quite a bit so your best guess is simply to look at the ones for provinces you could see yourself living in, as a PNP nomination generally means you are also expected or required to live there for some time after.

That will help you narrow it down.

 

[pwaddy]

How do I find out if my profession is wanted in a certain place? I'm living in Vancouver and have read over the PNP BC document but couldn't find anything specific to work professions. My guess is that personal training wouldn't be on there, although it is under job category B in the skilled worker list. :

 

[Andre_Smol]

How do I find out if my profession is wanted in a certain place? I'm living in Vancouver and have read over the PNP BC document but couldn't find anything specific to work professions. My guess is that personal training wouldn't be on there, although it is under job category B in the skilled worker list. :

Certain provinces run specific PNP streams for people working in specific professions. For example, the NB open category is only open to people from certain IT professions.

If you look at a specific PNP program and it doesnt mention any specific professions, that means that your type of job doesnt matter, as long as you meet the other requirements.

Category B is just fine for EE and PNP.

Do you meet all the requirements mentioned for BC PNP?

 

[riasat.abir]

I'm starting to worry a little.

My degree is in a completely different area from the work I do now, and my diploma which qualified me to do the work I am in is not considered a graduate diploma of any kind. It just reads "Personal Trainer Diploma".

Just had a read up on the PNP too which is a little confusing. I'm not sure if anyone can just apply for that.

Do you know whether WES will recognize your degree? If yes then you are good to go, otherwise it will be a problem.