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Decision Made

Chaser68

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Dec 19, 2019
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Hi there,

I have applied for citizenship mid 2018, took the test and participated the interview in February 2019, early December 2019 my application status changed to decision made. Does this mean I am accepted and should be receiving Oath invitation shortly? if yes, how long would it take and how I will be notified? Is it possible that decision made means my application has been refused?

Thanks and good luck to all!
 

jc94

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Mar 14, 2016
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Hi there,

I have applied for citizenship mid 2018, took the test and participated the interview in February 2019, early December 2019 my application status changed to decision made. Does this mean I am accepted and should be receiving Oath invitation shortly? if yes, how long would it take and how I will be notified? Is it possible that decision made means my application has been refused?

Thanks and good luck to all!
They normally tell you the decision at the interview. That's a long time between the two.

I believe a refused application is always done in writing, so check your mail box (or call IRCC).

Oaths are normally within 3 months.
 

Zmaqsood

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Sep 10, 2014
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10 months between test and decision made? Are u sure about dates? Because this is very unusual. Were there any additional documents requested from you after test?
 

Chaser68

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Dec 19, 2019
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Yes, I am quite sure about dates, however, additional documents were requested and mailed one month later after the test, i.e. in March 2019
 

ANNR

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Dec 8, 2019
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10 months between test and decision made? Are u sure about dates? Because this is very unusual. Were there any additional documents requested from you after test?
in my case, my test was in Oct 2019, no finger print requested, no DM so far ? when should i expect it ?
 

Zmaqsood

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what is this security check all about ? and usually how long it takes , i thought this should have been a step before interviewing me ?
Some offices do them before interviewing some interview/test while security checks still ongoing. Its done by CSIS and totally depends on them how long it takes can be days can be months and sometimes wven years
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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Despite explanations offered by IRCC (typically by help line agents) and MPs and others, USUALLY (not always) the progress of a citizenship application through the process is NOT held up by background checks.

Some Clarifications:

There are three formal "background" checks:

-- GCMS (done repeatedly throughout the entire process); includes so-called "immigration" checks as well as name-record criminality checks; done by IRCC processing agents and the Citizenship Officer who makes final decision

-- RCMP criminality check; done by RCMP pursuant to referral from IRCC, initially by referral from CPC-Sydney but sometimes there is an update referral from a local office

-- CSIS security check; done by by RCMP pursuant to referral from IRCC, initially by referral from CPC-Sydney but sometimes there is an update referral from a local office (rarely results in delaying application processing UNLESS, for this or that reason, it involves a referral to overseas office for further investigation or there is otherwise an active investigation regarding the particular individual -- as best we can discern, this is rare or at least NOT at all common)​


Further Related Observations (about these checks):

Beyond the fact of referral, very little information about the background checks is public, and is among the most closely held confidential information kept more or less secret by the government; most of what actually happens, both substantively and procedurally, is done behind closed curtains behind closed doors.

CSIS security check is done pursuant to referral from the CPC-Sydney attendant the very first actions taken on an application once it is "accepted" as complete. Referral to RCMP for its criminal check is made at the same time.

For the vast majority of applicants these referrals result in the respective clearance before the local office takes action on the file (usual first action by local office is test/interview preparation).

It appears that sometimes there are follow-up referrals to update one or the other, or both the CSIS and RCMP checks. Even if this is done, for most applicants (by a big margin) this does not result in a delay or not much of a delay.

It appears that applicants are often advised, in response to queries about the status of their application, this or that background check is pending. This is technically true on the face of the file, since the background check is not deemed complete until the responsible officer reviews and makes an entry into the file in effect checking off the clearance is complete. MOST (not all) the time the clearance itself has been received. This is comparable to when the application itself arrives at CPC-Sydney but IRCC does not acknowledge receipt for many weeks, sometimes several months (difference in time between application delivered to Sydney and AOR). During this period of time the application is in fact in Sydney, but there is nothing in IRCC records which show that. Similarly, the RCMP and CSIS clearance has been submitted by the respective agency, but IRCC has, in effect, not yet acknowledged its receipt. So, GCMS does not show the clearances as complete, even though the checks most likely have in fact been done. So, help line telephone agents will often say to clients that the background checks are still pending, even though the checks most likely have in fact been done.

In other words, while in effect there is no acknowledgement of receipt of the security or criminal checks, it is NOT as if the application is waiting for them to be received. That is, there is rarely any delay due to outstanding security or criminality checks. The checks are done but without acknowledgement they are done.

CAVEAT: of course there are outstanding checks for some applicants, and for this or that very individual-specific reason the agency has not provided the clearance. Applicants affected by this will usually, almost always, have some idea this could be a problem because it almost always relates to that individual's actual history.

IN THE MEANTIME, IRCC repeatedly conducts the GCMS background clearance attendant every action taken on the file. This includes at least name-record criminality screening (which includes screening name-record databases derived from RCMP and U.S. NCIC/FBI databases). And this check, while done and done multiple times, remains outstanding right up to the last action taken prior to the oath ceremony. This means that technically "background checks" remain pending right up to the very end . . . so, a help line telephone agent can always truthfully say background checks are pending, even though that has nothing at all to do with why the file has not moved on to the next step.
 

ANNR

Full Member
Dec 8, 2019
20
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Some offices do them before interviewing some interview/test while security checks still ongoing. Its done by CSIS and totally depends on them how long it takes can be days can be months and sometimes wven years
that means there is no time line or any sort of prediction to when my status can change to DM ! it is almost 2 months now since interview !
 

ANNR

Full Member
Dec 8, 2019
20
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Despite explanations offered by IRCC (typically by help line agents) and MPs and others, USUALLY (not always) the progress of a citizenship application through the process is NOT held up by background checks.

Some Clarifications:

There are three formal "background" checks:

-- GCMS (done repeatedly throughout the entire process); includes so-called "immigration" checks as well as name-record criminality checks; done by IRCC processing agents and the Citizenship Officer who makes final decision

-- RCMP criminality check; done by RCMP pursuant to referral from IRCC, initially by referral from CPC-Sydney but sometimes there is an update referral from a local office

-- CSIS security check; done by by RCMP pursuant to referral from IRCC, initially by referral from CPC-Sydney but sometimes there is an update referral from a local office (rarely results in delaying application processing UNLESS, for this or that reason, it involves a referral to overseas office for further investigation or there is otherwise an active investigation regarding the particular individual -- as best we can discern, this is rare or at least NOT at all common)​


Further Related Observations (about these checks):

Beyond the fact of referral, very little information about the background checks is public, and is among the most closely held confidential information kept more or less secret by the government; most of what actually happens, both substantively and procedurally, is done behind closed curtains behind closed doors.

CSIS security check is done pursuant to referral from the CPC-Sydney attendant the very first actions taken on an application once it is "accepted" as complete. Referral to RCMP for its criminal check is made at the same time.

For the vast majority of applicants these referrals result in the respective clearance before the local office takes action on the file (usual first action by local office is test/interview preparation).

It appears that sometimes there are follow-up referrals to update one or the other, or both the CSIS and RCMP checks. Even if this is done, for most applicants (by a big margin) this does not result in a delay or not much of a delay.

It appears that applicants are often advised, in response to queries about the status of their application, this or that background check is pending. This is technically true on the face of the file, since the background check is not deemed complete until the responsible officer reviews and makes an entry into the file in effect checking off the clearance is complete. MOST (not all) the time the clearance itself has been received. This is comparable to when the application itself arrives at CPC-Sydney but IRCC does not acknowledge receipt for many weeks, sometimes several months (difference in time between application delivered to Sydney and AOR). During this period of time the application is in fact in Sydney, but there is nothing in IRCC records which show that. Similarly, the RCMP and CSIS clearance has been submitted by the respective agency, but IRCC has, in effect, not yet acknowledged its receipt. So, GCMS does not show the clearances as complete, even though the checks most likely have in fact been done. So, help line telephone agents will often say to clients that the background checks are still pending, even though the checks most likely have in fact been done.

In other words, while in effect there is no acknowledgement of receipt of the security or criminal checks, it is NOT as if the application is waiting for them to be received. That is, there is rarely any delay due to outstanding security or criminality checks. The checks are done but without acknowledgement they are done.

CAVEAT: of course there are outstanding checks for some applicants, and for this or that very individual-specific reason the agency has not provided the clearance. Applicants affected by this will usually, almost always, have some idea this could be a problem because it almost always relates to that individual's actual history.

IN THE MEANTIME, IRCC repeatedly conducts the GCMS background clearance attendant every action taken on the file. This includes at least name-record criminality screening (which includes screening name-record databases derived from RCMP and U.S. NCIC/FBI databases). And this check, while done and done multiple times, remains outstanding right up to the last action taken prior to the oath ceremony. This means that technically "background checks" remain pending right up to the very end . . . so, a help line telephone agent can always truthfully say background checks are pending, even though that has nothing at all to do with why the file has not moved on to the next step.
in summary, calling them or following them up doesn't help in any means !! so how can i know where do i stand from this long unpredictable process a part from praying it to finish !!
 

Zmaqsood

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Sep 10, 2014
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that means there is no time line or any sort of prediction to when my status can change to DM ! it is almost 2 months now since interview !
You have two options either apply for GCMS notes to find out urself as to what is holding up your file. Second ask you area MP to follow up on ur behalf and rheu will tell him/her what is holding ur file. MP option has quickest turn around time of two weeks where as GCMS notes option will take a month