coming back to Canada at year 5 and keep staying?

[issteven]

Hi,

If I come back to Canada by end of the 5th year, I understand that I won't be able to renew my maple card since I haven't stayed 2 out of 5 years. But if I just stay in Canada since then and wait until I meet 2 years residency, can I apply for a new maple card then? without leaving Canada for two years.

Thanks!

 

[ttrajan]

Possibly yes. But you may require PR card getting job, license, medicals and studies etc.?

 

[zardoz]

Hi,

If I come back to Canada by end of the 5th year, I understand that I won't be able to renew my maple card since I haven't stayed 2 out of 5 years. But if I just stay in Canada since then and wait until I meet 2 years residency, can I apply for a new maple card then? without leaving Canada for two years.

Thanks!

Note that when you enter Canada at ANY point, your compliance with the residency obligation requirements may be examined and if you have already spent more than 1095 days outside within your first 5 years period, you can be reported.

 

[issteven]

so I would probably refused entry if I come back too late and they found it's impossible for me to stay 2 years within 5 years?

Note that when you enter Canada at ANY point, your compliance with the residency obligation requirements may be examined and if you have already spent more than 1095 days outside within your first 5 years period, you can be reported.

 

[zardoz]

so I would probably refused entry if I come back too late and they found it's impossible for me to stay 2 years within 5 years?

No, you will not be refused entry but you may be reported for failing to meet the residency obligation, eventually leading to the possibility of losing your PR status.

 

[kateg]

Possibly yes. But you may require PR card getting job, license, medicals and studies etc.?

A PR card is not required to gain employment. Getting a license can be harder, depending on the province.

 

[zardoz]

A PR card is not required to gain employment. Getting a license can be harder, depending on the province.

You are correct, in theory. However it's not unknown for employers to request it. Again, in theory, a SIN card is enough but I am unsure what exactly happens to your SIN if your PR status is revoked, for example. Will Service Canada be notified of your status change and cancel the SIN?

 

[kateg]

You are correct, in theory. However it's not unknown for employers to request it. Again, in theory, a SIN card is enough but I am unsure what exactly happens to your SIN if your PR status is revoked, for example. Will Service Canada be notified of your status change and cancel the SIN?

Your SIN goes inactive after a few years of non use. They set a dormant flag, and you will need to get it reactivated if you have been gone too long.

 

[ttrajan]

My company asked for copy of PR card. Also it is required for licence and medical card in Alberta.

 

[kateg]

My company asked for copy of PR card.

Did you try telling them "no"?

The processing time is something like 6 months:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm-card.asp

You can point out that the right to work has nothing to do with the card. If you applied for a card today, you wouldn't get it for months. Obviously, it's not required to work.

As an employer, they can see their obligations from Service Canada:

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/about/reports/sin/cop/section3.shtml

They can verify your SIN, and proof of status is only required if your SIN starts with a 9.

 

[Alurra71]

Did you try telling them "no"?

The processing time is something like 6 months:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/perm-card.asp

You can point out that the right to work has nothing to do with the card. If you applied for a card today, you wouldn't get it for months. Obviously, it's not required to work.

As an employer, they can see their obligations from Service Canada:

http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/about/reports/sin/cop/section3.shtml

They can verify your SIN, and proof of status is only required if your SIN starts with a 9.

But here's the catch 22. If your SIN went dormant, due to you not using it, I.E. out of the country, when you return you MUST provide your PR card to re-activate your SIN. If your PR card is not current, because you don't meet the R.O., as is the case for the OP in this thread, you're going to likely have to provide yourself with enough cash flow to support yourself for the next 2 years until you CAN renew that card, to reactivate your SIN, which will give you the desired 'trickle' effect of being able to now get health care as well as drivers license, and even legal work ....

This information can be found and verified here under the Permanent Resident header

So, saying no to the employer asking for the PR card, likely won't achieve much other than "OK, well, thanks for applying, we'll get back with you". Due to function creep, even though PR cards are not supposed to be used as forms of ID to prove employabilty and all the other things that go along with living in a foreign country it has become the 'goto' item for many employers to prove the folks they are hiring are eligible.

 

[zardoz]

As I already mentioned, you can have a permanent SIN that is not marked as dormant but the holder has had PR revoked. This puts the employer at risk by just relying on the SIN to prove the employee currently has the right to work.

 

[kateg]

As I already mentioned, you can have a permanent SIN that is not marked as dormant but the holder has had PR revoked. This puts the employer at risk by just relying on the SIN to prove the employee currently has the right to work.

Not legally, no. The employers obligation to verify status only applies if your SIN starts with a 9.

Anyhow, if you want your SIN to not expire, it's easy. Open a bank account, and deposit enough money that you will make reportable interest (I believe the threshold is $1). As long as any income gets reported at all, your SIN won't go dormant.