CIC Immigration Plan 2011

[Cappuccino]

London is overburdened with processing of applications for many countries. It's a matter of time though, because once London will start with medicals, it will come in a flourish !!

Historically London has always been the laggard, but don't worry, they will also process the post 26 June applicants faster then the speed at which they usually process applications of pre 26 June.

CIC has a point to prove to the minister & the parliament, so London will be joining the party soon!!

I remember applicants in the post Nov. 2008 system, who applied during Jan to April 2009 period were getting Visas as fast as in 4-5 months from the time of submission at CIO to Final result (especially in New Delhi)!!

CIC has a point to prove as much as it had at that time!

Well, with CIO performing the final eligibility review instead of visa offices - I imagine they are keen to prove how this speeds up the system (no 120 day phase, and so only really background checks/security checks, medicals and actual visa issue to be done at the visa office - which should all be a mere formality for the majority of applicants with straightforward cases).

One thing that leads me to believe that perhaps you are right regarding >J26 priority is that they now advise applicants to include PCC (something with only a 12 month lifespan) with the application. This would indicate they are confident that most cases will be finalised in 12 months - and bearing in mind that 4 months of this is spent at CIO, and another month transferring to visa office, they expect >J26 cases to be at visa office no more than 6/7 months?

Anyway, seeing is believing. Given the large number of skilled workers that they still need in Canada I cannot see why they cannot hire a bunch more staff to get the backlog down?

Wayne.

 

[fariza]

Anyway, seeing is believing. Given the large number of skilled workers that they still need in Canada I cannot see why they cannot hire a bunch more staff to get the backlog down?

Wayne.

Good point... I raised this similar issue earlier....... It is indeed very logical... To complete dev projects under stipulated time it is often practiced to employ more manpower and resources... so why not that possible and initiate in CHC???

 

[Baloo]

Given the large number of skilled workers that they still need in Canada I cannot see why they cannot hire a bunch more staff to get the backlog down?

Wayne.

The big issue here is that cuts are being looked at, Canada has a deficit and they don't like it.
More staff is not a likely option, and with an election on the way, who knows where government is heading.

 

[Cappuccino]

Good point... I raised this similar issue earlier....... It is indeed very logical... To complete dev projects under stipulated time it is often practiced to employ more manpower and resources... so why not that possible and initiate in CHC???

Quite besides the long delays between each step of the process, it's the lack of communication from CIO and CHCs I object to.

When your application arrives there should be no reason why you can't get an email saying "We got your application. Here's your file number. We just mailed it to our completeness check guys so we'll let you know once it's done".

But no. Instead applicants have to wait 3/4 months before hearing anything at all from CIO, and those who cannot tell if the draft is cashed have no sure way to tell if the application even arrived.

And then the application, after eligibility review is complete (and you get your one and only email from CIO) goes to the visa office. But that is a black hole in itself. We have only ECAS to tell us if the application arrived at the visa office - and that is hideously inaccurate and unreliable.

Canada needs to ensure that they accept the right people - so I have no problem with the volume of processing and checks they feel they need to do on each application. But the process itself with the introduction of some common sense, a bit of courtesy and some more up to date system technology could make things 100 times less frustrating and painful for applicants.

Wayne.

 

[fariza]

Quite besides the long delays between each step of the process, it's the lack of communication from CIO and CHCs I object to.

When your application arrives there should be no reason why you can't get an email saying "We got your application. Here's your file number. We just mailed it to our completeness check guys so we'll let you know once it's done".

But no. Instead applicants have to wait 3/4 months before hearing anything at all from CIO, and those who cannot tell if the draft is cashed have no sure way to tell if the application even arrived.

And then the application, after eligibility review is complete (and you get your one and only email from CIO) goes to the visa office. But that is a black hole in itself. We have only ECAS to tell us if the application arrived at the visa office - and that is hideously inaccurate and unreliable.

Canada needs to ensure that they accept the right people - so I have no problem with the volume of processing and checks they feel they need to do on each application. But the process itself with the introduction of some common sense, a bit of courtesy and some more up to date system technology could make things 100 times less frustrating and painful for applicants.

Wayne.

There is no reason to disagree with you at all as we all have been by and large victim of the 'made delayed' system loss in every step our application Travers to.... Heard of GCMS which supposed to taking over the current system to make the overall processing faster and less bureaucratic... but no idea when this will come into effect...

 

[Baloo]

GCMS is already being used, some say that the reason ecas is so bad, is because the databases are still being merged. Others know better

Lack of communication is the main problem, normally people fail to communicate because they think it will show them up as inefficient.

As we all know "common sense" is a misnomer.

The last number that I saw for the GCMS was $200 million !
It better be worth it.

 

[Mezo2009]

This would indicate they are confident that most cases will be finalised in 12 months - and bearing in mind that 4 months of this is spent at CIO, and another month transferring to visa office, they expect >J26 cases to be at visa office no more than 6/7 months?

From trackitt and this forum, there are members whose timelines already passed these 6/7 months. These are very aggressive targets. As much as I love to see this happens, but I don't think that VO has the resources or people to do so.

Keep in mind that in the report to parliament, spending by VO's is already set and I doubt the CIC will get more resources to expedite processing as then they have to get budget review and approval.

Anyway, seeing is believing. Given the large number of skilled workers that they still need in Canada I cannot see why they cannot hire a bunch more staff to get the backlog down?

Wayne.

I agree but again the CIC is limited with certain budget that might limit their flexibility to maneuver to process apps faster. I would love to see CIC acts more proactively on this.

 

[Mezo2009]

The big issue here is that cuts are being looked at, Canada has a deficit and they don't like it.
More staff is not a likely option, and with an election on the way, who knows where government is heading.

Yes agreed. The election might flip the table on all current laws!

 

[fariza]

Yes agreed. The election might flip the table on all current laws!

Hope it shakes in positive directions!!!

 

[Mezo2009]

But the process itself with the introduction of some common sense, a bit of courtesy and some more up to date system technology could make things 100 times less frustrating and painful for applicants.

Wayne.

Perfectly said Wayne. Agreed 100%. It's so strange that though we live in information age, and the most simple technologies give us thousands time more clarity and info than eCas or CAIPS, yet CIC fails to improve this.

Folks, in IT, there's something called Open Source World (for not techy geeks, let me explain). this world has hundreds and thousands of free software and applications that are extremely advanced and powerful. People and organizations can use these for free, and only pay for support services if theyneed it. These include portals, ERP's, financial systems, content management, business intelligence tools, CRM....etc. Even this forum runs on free open source tool called (SMF).

Therefore, it's really shame on CIC to use such services to store and interact with applicants. it's simply like driving on a donkey in a high way besides Maybach, BMW, or lexus.

GCMS which is being in use since 2002 inside Canada and now being rolled to overseas offices, is yet to be seen and how we will see its value to us.

Cheers

Mezo

 

[Baloo]

Yes agreed. The election might flip the table on all current laws!

The likelihood is that there will be cuts or more cuts

 

[Mezo2009]

The last number that I saw for the GCMS was $200 million !
It better be worth it.

Yes, this number is correct.

You know what! I bet that with one tenth of this number a team of IT immigrants from this forums (developers, PM's, BA's, SA's, DBA's...) would design, document, develop and deliver the system and maybe with another one tenth to roll it out.

 

[fariza]

Yes, this number is correct.

You know what! I bet that with one tenth of this number a team of IT immigrants from this forums (developers, PM's, BA's, SA's, DBA's...) would design, document, develop and deliver the system and maybe with another one tenth to roll it out.

Quite agree.... As they have real life bitter experience of waiting due to system which will enable them to perform and act on better what and where to fix it !!

 

[canadaforall]

GCMS is already being used, some say that the reason ecas is so bad, is because the databases are still being merged. Others know better

Lack of communication is the main problem, normally people fail to communicate because they think it will show them up as inefficient.

As we all know "common sense" is a misnomer.

The last number that I saw for the GCMS was $200 million !
It better be worth it.

Hi Baloo,
When effective did they started using the GCSM? This is because i am planning to order caips in April to see what was done on my file in January.

Are we going to be ordering it also like Caip Notes?or how are we going to be getting the information?

Thanks.

 

[Baloo]

As far as I know CAIPS and FOSS are all you can order at present.

Form IMM 5563 has no reference to GCMS.