CEC through Express Entry

[LPS]

A job offer by employer can make a difference in Express entry. The candidate will be favored. That might be the only help employer would help the candidate.

Yes I would think so. Express Entry will be a "mandatory first step" for CEC. As I understand it, you would need to register in the Express Entry pool, and your employer would need an LMIA to access the pool. Then they could make you the offer...

This would be an extra burden for people who previously would have attained PR without ever needing an LMIA (three-year PGWP holders for example).

 

[c0109]

Looks like the best option is apply as soon as I go.
Some home CIC is also putting immigration aspirants under dilemma by not announcing the complete picture of Express Entry.
Hope they will do it ASAP.

 

[fkl]

Yes I would think so. Express Entry will be a "mandatory first step" for CEC. As I understand it, you would need to register in the Express Entry pool, and your employer would need an LMIA to access the pool. Then they could make you the offer...

This would be an extra burden for people who previously would have attained PR without ever needing an LMIA (three-year PGWP holders for example).

I think there are two different types of skilled employees referred here and would probably follow slightly different paths in EE.

A) Those who are already outside of Canada and CIC wants their employers to use EE, would need LMIA obviously - but instead of getting TWP, they would get PR in six months as claimed by CIC.
B) The other kind is the people already here on work permits (CEC obviously included). I seriously doubt they would need yet another LMIA. May be those from PGWP might be asked. But an LMO / LMIA is issued for a certain period of time. So to me asking that for a permanent job is kind of weird.

Still all of this is speculation and details would become clear only latter.

Nevertheless, in my opinion FSW still takes the longest and complex route. CEC with one year experience is still faster, not to mention possibly even faster time for EE.

 

[Intocanada]

I think there are two different types of skilled employees referred here and would probably follow slightly different paths in EE.

A) Those who are already outside of Canada and CIC wants their employers to use EE, would need LMIA obviously - but instead of getting TWP, they would get PR in six months as claimed by CIC.
B) The other kind is the people already here on work permits (CEC obviously included). I seriously doubt they would need yet another LMIA. May be those from PGWP might be asked. But an LMO / LMIA is issued for a certain period of time. So to me asking that for a permanent job is kind of weird.

Still all of this is speculation and details would become clear only latter.

Nevertheless, in my opinion FSW still takes the longest and complex route. CEC with one year experience is still faster, not to mention possibly even faster time for EE.

Speculating...
So in that case, can I say LMIA is only applicable to FSW path.

 

[LPS]

Speculating...
So in that case, can I say LMIA is only applicable to FSW path.

As I understand it, you can get your 12 months work experience through an LMIA-exempt work permit (PGWP, IEC, etc) as before, but to apply for CEC you would still need to go through Express Entry (and hence, obtain the LMIA that you didn't previously have).

 

[Intocanada]

As I understand it, you can get your 12 months work experience through an LMIA-exempt work permit (PGWP, IEC, etc) as before, but to apply for CEC you would still need to go through Express Entry (and hence, obtain the LMIA that you didn't previously have).

But, as far as I know, CEC is generally not tied up to Canadian employer but to only Canadian experience. Then in that case, why would employer file LMIA when he/she doesn't work for the employer in case after 1yr. So does it mean employee losses the right to apply for PR even after 1yr of skilled Canadian exp because there is no employer to file LMIA.

 

[LPS]

^ It's true that CEC applicants currently don't need to be working - indeed, they don't even have to be in the country.

But it has been said that Express Entry will be a "mandatory first step" for CEC (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/acts-regulations/forward-regulatory-plan/irpr-eoi.asp). To my mind, this means CEC applicants will indeed have to have a job offer from a Canadian employer.

 

[ZingyDNA]

^ It's true that CEC applicants currently don't need to be working - indeed, they don't even have to be in the country.

But it has been said that Express Entry will be a "mandatory first step" for CEC (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/acts-regulations/forward-regulatory-plan/irpr-eoi.asp). To my mind, this means CEC applicants will indeed have to have a job offer from a Canadian employer.

Wow, this is the first time I see something like this. If this is true then there won't be any "Non-Express Entry" CEC applicants, right? In that case they will make CEC a lot harder... Ladies and Gents, apply when you can!!

 

[fkl]

Speculating...
So in that case, can I say LMIA is only applicable to FSW path.

May be - i don't know. The way i see it for myself and many colleagues, may be an already valid LMO (that was obtained for a temp work permit for limited time) should be enough for a CEC based EE. But this is just my thought. Nothing that CIC has explained yet.

 

[fkl]

^ It's true that CEC applicants currently don't need to be working - indeed, they don't even have to be in the country.

But it has been said that Express Entry will be a "mandatory first step" for CEC (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/acts-regulations/forward-regulatory-plan/irpr-eoi.asp). To my mind, this means CEC applicants will indeed have to have a job offer from a Canadian employer.

Yes, but the existing document about EE also states that you might not be invited for EE if you do not fall high enough on the CIC list according to their criteria. Having a skilled job currently or have an offer is the main one among those.

It also goes on to state that you might be given a chance to reapply for EE (if you were not selected the first time) while your original app might still be in process.

This makes feel like following:

a) You have to meet all requirements for a normal PR program such as CEC to file application for CEC. If you already have a job with an employer, you probably can apply via EE route.
b) If you currently don't have a job you will probably be not considered in EE while your CEC application will still be in place.

c) In 12 months you will probably be able to reapply to EE (without submitting a new CEC application).

I think that any one who qualifies EE would be receiving PR much faster. Those WITH REGULAR CEC application might have to wait for much longer times, but might still be accepted since they didn't exactly close down CEC program. They just added a priority based system via EE on top of that.

Those who do not meet that, technically should still be processed. Just my two cents from reading all the currently available EE info.

 

[LPS]

^ This assumes that there are both Express Entry and non-Express Entry paths.

If a mandatory step can be circumvented, then it is not mandatory.

But, we need better details from them about the implementation of Express Entry for skilled applicants already working in Canada...

 

[Intocanada]

^ This assumes that there are both Express Entry and non-Express Entry paths.

If a mandatory step can be circumvented, then it is not mandatory.

But, we need better details from them about the implementation of Express Entry for skilled applicants already working in Canada...

True.
Somehow I feel content in cic website suits very well to FSW. Very less is spoken about CEC. And also about people who are already in Canada. Some how my gut feeling is that they will take care to pull in skilled labour atleast for 3yrs from now as huge number of work force are set to retire in the coming years.

 

[fkl]

^ This assumes that there are both Express Entry and non-Express Entry paths.

If a mandatory step can be circumvented, then it is not mandatory.

But, we need better details from them about the implementation of Express Entry for skilled applicants already working in Canada...

I agree - but my understanding is that mandatory is for the applicant to apply for - not CIC to select the applicant for.

There must be some future for those NOT SELECTED by CIC. So i feel it means regular CEC would still exist. Just that the applicant doesn't have the choice to apply through it. Rather they would automatically fall through if they do not qualify EE. Also i believe it is going to take significantly longer - at the cost of faster processed EE applicants.

 

[caththisking]

will EE come into act immediately on Jan 1st 2015 or some other date in January (January 1st being holiday).
any guess base on history such as new rule changes apply immediately or they will specify date a week or 2 weeks ahead ?
Also I see in other forums(mostly rumor as no one provided solid proof) that EE will be delayed ? any thoughts ?

 

[LPS]

I agree - but my understanding is that mandatory is for the applicant to apply for - not CIC to select the applicant for.

There must be some future for those NOT SELECTED by CIC. So i feel it means regular CEC would still exist. Just that the applicant doesn't have the choice to apply through it. Rather they would automatically fall through if they do not qualify EE. Also i believe it is going to take significantly longer - at the cost of faster processed EE applicants.

We will see. For the time being, it looks like an "Invitation to Apply" will be required for CEC (or FSW, etc). This invitation comes through Express Entry. If there is no possibility for unsolicited applications, then effectively there is no 'slow track'.