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b.h.a.b.e.s

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HI I GOT A CANADIAN BF ( DIVORCED) WITH 2 KIDS. WE LIVED TOGETHER FOR MORE THAN 1 YEAR WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS. ME (SEPARATED BUT NOT LEGALLY) WITH 3 KIDS IS WORKING FOR TEMP WORK PERMIT. AS I SCAN THRU THE FORMS FOR SPONSORING CONJUGAL PARTNER HE WILL GO THROUGH THE FINANCIAL ASSESSEMENT, MY BF ADVISED ME THAT HIS FRIEND IS GOING TO SPONSOR ME .. IS THIS POSSIBLE EVEN HE IS NOT HIS FAMILY??
 
If you lived together for more than one year continuously, you want to apply as common law partners rather than conjugal partners. However, the "separated but not legally" sounds like a huge problem to me. Under Canadian law, you can't be married to more than one person at the same time, and both partner types are considered marriage-like and thus are not legal if you already have a spouse/partner. Why are you "separated but not legally"? That has to be resolved. I'm pretty sure you will need to be legally divorced before you can apply, unless you can somehow show unsurmountable legal barriers to your getting a divorce (as, in the Phillipines, for example, where divorce is not legal).

Regarding the financial assessment, his financial situation is required but is irrelevant to a spouse/partner application, as long as he is not currently in bankruptcy or on social assistance (welfare). To apply in the family class, you must be sponsored by a family member, a friend of a family member is not acceptable.
 
You will not be applying as conjugal partners - you'll be applying as common-law partners. BeShoo is wrong about you having to legally divorced before you can be considered common-law partners. The OP2 Family Class processing manual addresses this very clearly in Section 5.38:

What happens if the common-law partner (principal applicant) is married to another person?
Persons who are married to third parties may be considered common-law partners provided their marriage has broken down and they have lived separate and apart from the spouse for long enough to establish a common-law relationship – at least one year. In this case they must have cohabited in a conjugal relationship with the common-law partner for at least one year. Cohabitation with a common-law partner cannot be considered to have started until a physical separation from the spouse has occurred. A common-law relationship cannot be legally established if one or both parties continue their marital relationships. Officers must be satisfied that a principal applicant is separated from and no longer cohabits with a legal spouse. This evidence may be in the form of a signed formal declaration that the marriage has ended and that the person has entered into a common-law relationship. An officer may require that the person produce other written evidence of a formal separation or of a breakdown of the marriage. Acceptable documents include a separation agreement, a court order in respect of custody of children identifying the fact of the marriage breakdown, documents removing the legally married spouse(s) from insurance policies or will as beneficiaries (a “change of beneficiary” form).

You should read through the rest of the information in the sections just prior to that about common-law qualification and how to prove it.

BoShoo is right about the financial assessment - sponsorship of spouses and common-law/conjugal partners and dependent children are exempt from meeting the minimum income requirements.
 
Thanks, RobsLuv, for the clarification. As you can see by the way I worded my comment, I was worried about the last of legal separation papers, but I really wasn't sure. I suppose I should have looked it up before speculating. Thanks again.
 
thnks for the reply beshoo anf robluv .. but still confused .. is there no such a thing as sponsoring conjugal partner

Conjugal partner
This category is for partners—either of the opposite sex or same sex—in exceptional circumstances beyond their control that prevent them from qualifying as common-law partners or spouses by living together.

A conjugal relationship is more than a physical relationship. It means you depend on each other, there is some permanence to the relationship and there is the same level of commitment as a marriage or a common-law relationship.

You may apply as a conjugal partner if:

•you have maintained a conjugal relationship with your sponsor for at least one year and you have been prevented from living together or marrying because of:
◦an immigration barrier
◦your marital status (for example, you are married to someone else and living in a country where divorce is not possible) or
 
To qualify to apply as conjugal partners you have to prove that it's been impossible for the two of you to become either common-law or married. Note that impossible means just that.
 
b.h.a.b.e.s said:
thnks for the reply beshoo anf robluv .. but still confused .. is there no such a thing as sponsoring conjugal partner

Conjugal partner
This category is for partners—either of the opposite sex or same sex—in exceptional circumstances beyond their control that prevent them from qualifying as common-law partners or spouses by living together.

A conjugal relationship is more than a physical relationship. It means you depend on each other, there is some permanence to the relationship and there is the same level of commitment as a marriage or a common-law relationship.

You may apply as a conjugal partner if:

•you have maintained a conjugal relationship with your sponsor for at least one year and you have been prevented from living together or marrying because of:
◦an immigration barrier
◦your marital status (for example, you are married to someone else and living in a country where divorce is not possible) or

I think you are confusing the two categories.

If you have lived together and combined your affairs as if you were married then you apply as "common-law" spouses.

If you have not lived together and have prevented from doing so because of either an immigration barrier or where you may be married but cannot divorce because of cultural issues/legal issues but have a "conjugal" relationship that is, you have combined affairs to the degree possible and have a mutually exclusive relationship that is real, then you would use the conjugal category.

I'm afraid I must disagree with Swede who states above that it must be impossible to cohabit or be married, that is not the wording and whilst some people may think it may be impossible to succeed under that category, there are many instances and examples on these boards where it has been (with the required proof) as relatively straightforward as common law.
 
Swede's comment is incorrect. From the OP2 ...

Although the intention of the conjugal-partner category is to accommodate those few Canadians
with foreign partners who can neither marry nor live together, inability to marry cannot be an
absolute requirement
, since this could have the effect of “forcing” those couples to marry who may
have chosen not to do so. Persons who have established and maintained a conjugal relationship
for one year and who do not intend to marry might be conjugal partners if they have been unable
to cohabit because of an immigration impediment or other serious barrier. The key to determining
whether an individual is a conjugal partner is whether they are in a conjugal relationship with their
sponsor and whether there is a compelling barrier to continuous cohabitation.
 
Yes, "the inability to marry cannot be an absolute requirement", but read the rest of what you quoted. This couple is already living together in a common-law partnership. They do not meet the qualification to apply as conjugal partners because they are not in a situation of not being able to marry or live together because of fear of persecution or an immigration barrier that prevents them from cohabitating! If they ask to be assessed in the conjugal partner category, the application would be refused because they don't meet the qualification. CIC won't just say, "Oh, wait, you should be applying as common-law partners" - they'd just refuse it.

The conjugal partner category is, essentially for lack of a better explanation, a sub-section of the common-law qualification wherein the requirement to co-habitate for at least one year is waived, and partners are assessed as common-law even though they have not been able to co-habitate. This is so as not to discriminate against partners who would ordinarily marry, or live together for the required year to be qualified as common-law, but who are unable to do so "because of an immigration impediment or other serious barrier". From Section 5.45 of the OP2 Processing Manual:

A conjugal partner is not a common-law partner under Canadian law until the one-year cohabitation requirement has been met. Applicants should be counselled that they and their partner will not be considered to be in a common-law relationship for purposes of other federal benefits and obligations until they have lived together in Canada in a conjugal relationship for at least one year. The applicant's Confirmation of Permanent Residence form will not indicate their marital status as “conjugal partner” since this relationship is not legally recognized in Canada beyond the IRPA.

You also have this little gem that applies to this situation:
The conjugal partner category applies only to the family class and only to a foreign national sponsored by a Canadian citizen or permanent resident living in Canada. This category does not apply to the spouse or common-law partner in Canada class as the exception would not be required in Canada.

Read through Sections 5.44 to 5.47 of OP2 - it makes their position very clear. People who can apply as conjugal partners would include a same-s*x couple where the foreign national is from a non-visa-exempt country where people are persecuted for their s*xual preferences, and the FN has been refused a visitor visa to Canada so the couple cannot live together or marry in Canada. A couple could also qualify as conjugal partners if the FN was from the Philippines and married there, where divorce is not legal. This FN has been refused a visit visa to come to Canada, and the Canadian partner has also been refused a visa to go to the Phils and live there for long enough to establish a common-law partnership - so they have been prevented from marrying due to the fact that the FN cannot get divorced, and they are prevented from living together to establish a common-law partnership because they cannot get permission to stay in each other's country for long enough. But a US/Canada couple - for example - who cannot marry because one of them is not yet divorced, will be refused as conjugal partners because there is no immigration impediment that keeps them from living together for long enough to establish a common-law partnership . . . even if it's six months in one country and six months in the other. CIC does not care if both partners suffer financial hardship or have to leave children or family members in order to facilitate the common-law qualification. IF they don't want to do that, they can wait to marry. Even same-s*x partners can now marry in Canada, so there are very few (if any) visa-exempt couples who would qualify in the conjugal partner classification.

This thread details the example of a successful conjugal partner application.
 
The thing is that it's not quite that black and white.

It would be great if you could prove that it was "impossible for the two of you to become either common-law or married". I'm sure that would often make for a clear-cut case (all other things being equal), but it's not always necessary. Even though it's usually necessary to show immigration barriers prevented living together for 1 year, that's not always the case either. I have read appeal cases where the main barrier was financial hardship that would be caused by one partner moving to the other country and living together. It's true that you might now win such a case without an appeal, and you might now even win an appeal either.

My point is that nothing is absolute. These decisions are made by weighing the evidence and the officer or judge makes a decision based on how he or she sees the evidence leaning. Because of that, there is a lot of "usually", "not usually", and other such wording in the regulations and manuals:

This category was created for exceptional circumstances – for foreign national partners of Canadian or permanent resident sponsors who would ordinarily apply as common-law partners
but for the fact that they have not been able to live together continuously for one year, usually
because of an immigration impediment. In most cases, the foreign partner is also not able to
marry their sponsor and qualify as a spouse....

Regardless of what the category was created for, there may be cases where is is appropriate for other circumstances slightly different than what it was created for.
 
b.h.a.b.e.s said:
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HI I GOT A CANADIAN BF ( DIVORCED) WITH 2 KIDS. WE LIVED TOGETHER FOR MORE THAN 1 YEAR WITH ALL THE DOCUMENTS. ME (SEPARATED BUT NOT LEGALLY) WITH 3 KIDS IS WORKING FOR TEMP WORK PERMIT. AS I SCAN THRU THE FORMS FOR SPONSORING CONJUGAL PARTNER HE WILL GO THROUGH THE FINANCIAL ASSESSEMENT, MY BF ADVISED ME THAT HIS FRIEND IS GOING TO SPONSOR ME .. IS THIS POSSIBLE EVEN HE IS NOT HIS FAMILY??

Your boyfriends friend cannot sponsor you. You are not a member of his family.